Searching for my roots - Molchanov
Molchanov in Koursk and Bryansk area
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9 íîÿáðÿ 2015 22:17 orionbuffe, this is a translation of your post. ) Ïåðåâåäó íà âñÿêèé ñëó÷àé, âäðóã êòî-òî åùå çàõî÷åòñÿ ïîäêëþ÷èòüñÿ è ÷òî-òî ïîñîâåòîâàòü. Õîòÿ ÿ íå çíàþ ïîë, â ïðîôèëå óêàçàí ìóæ÷èíà, íî ïî÷åìó-òî êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî æåíùèíà.  Ïðåæäå âñåãî ÿ ñâÿçàëñÿ ñ Ðîññèéñêèì êîíñóëüñòâîì â Áåëüãèè, è òàì ìíå ñêàçàëè, ÷òî íå ïîìîãóò ïîìî÷ü, ÷òî ÿ äîëæåí îáðàòèòüñÿ â ÇÀÃÑ. (È äàëè ìíå êîíòàêòû). À äëÿ Êóðñêîãî ÇÀÃÑà ÿ íå ìîãó äîêàçàòü ðîäñòâî, ïîñêîëüêó ÿ çàïðàøèâàë çàïèñü î ðîæäåíèè ñåñòðû Òàìàðû, Âàëåíòèíû. (À ïîòîìêè Âàëåíòèíû æèâóò ãäå-òî â Êàíàäå). Ìíå íóæíà çàïèñü î ðîæäåíèè, ÷òîáû óçíàòü ÷òî-òî î ðîäèòåëÿõ Òàìàðû. Èëè ïîëó÷èòü õîòü êàêóþ-òî äðóãóþ èíôîðìàöèþ, êîòîðàÿ ïîìîæåò ìíå äâèãàòüñÿ äàëüøå. ß íè÷åãî áîëüøå íå çíàþ î Ñåìåíå è (Àíãå)Ëèíå. Òîëüêî ÷òî îòåö Ñåìåíà áûë êóëàêîì. (ß ïûòàëñÿ èñêàòü ñïèñêè êóëàêîâ, íå çíàþ, åñòü ëè òàêèå). Ìàòü Àíãåëèíû áûëà óêðàèíêîé. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ýòî âñå, ÷òî ÿ çíàþ. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü èõ ôîòî, ñäåëàííîå â ãîä, êîãäà Òàìàðå áûëî 30, îíè íå âûãëÿäÿò òàêèìè óæ ñòàðûìè, äóìàþ, îíè ðîäèëèñü ïðèìåðíî â 1895-1900. Äâå åå ñåñòðû îñòàëèñü â Ðîññèè, îäíà Ëþäìèëà (Ëþñÿ), æèëà â Ðîñòîâå-íà-Äîíó, îíà óìåðëà. Îíà áûëà êàê-òî ñâÿçàíà ñ ÊÃÁ. Âòîðàÿ, Èðà, âåðîÿòíî, â Êóðñêå, íàâåðíîå, åå òîæå óæå íåò. (Ïîñëåäíèé ðàç íàøà ñåìüÿ ñâÿçûâàëàñü ñ íèìè â 1960-ì). Èíîãäà ÿ æàëåþ, ÷òî íå ðîäèëñÿ ðàíüøå. Áëàãîäàðþ âàñ âñåõ, âû ïîòðÿñàþùèå. ---
Âñå ëè÷íûå äàííûå, ìîè è ìîåé ñåìüè, ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå ñ ñîãëàñèÿ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
×åðìåíñêèå (Êåðåíñê, Ñàðàòîâ), Ëóïåéêî/Ëóïåéêà (Ëèòâà, ÑØÀ), Ðåíêå è Âåíãëèíñêèå (Êèåâ, Ðàäîìûøëü), Êâÿòêîâñêèå (Ìèíñêàÿ ãóá), Åëîçèíû (Àðêàäàê) | | |
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9 íîÿáðÿ 2015 23:51 Tasha56 íàïèñàëà: [q] Çàïðîñ î ïîâòîðíîì ñâèäåòåëüñòâå î ðîæäåíèè (çàïîëíÿåòñÿ ôîðìà 18) íàïðàâëÿåòñÿ â òåððèòîðèàëüíûé îòäåë ÇÀÃÑ, ãäå áûë âûäàí îðèãèíàë äîêóìåíòà. Äà, (ïðèìåð) Âû - óðîæåíêà Ìîñêâû, íî äîêóìåíò ãðàæäàíñêîãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ (î ðîæäåíèè, áðàêå, ñìåðòè) Âû áóäåòå èñêàòü íå â Óïðàâëåíèè ÇÀÃÑ Ìîñêâû, à â àðõèâå îïðåäåëåííîãî ðàéîííîãî îòäåëåíèÿ ÇÀÃÑ [/q]
Íå ìîãó ñîãëàñèòüñÿ. Äà, òàê â Ìîñêâå. Íî, íàïðèìåð, â Åêàòåðèíáóðãå ìíå âûäàëè áóìàãè î ñìåðòè ìîèõ áàáóøêè è ïðàáàáóøêè â ãîðîäñêîì îòäåëå ÇÀÃÑà, ÿ è íå çíàëà,â êàêîì ðàéîíå ãîðîäà îíè æèëè, òàê êàê îíè óìåðëè çàäîëãî äî ìîåãî ðîæäåíèÿ. À à ìàëåíüêîì Áðÿíñêå, äóìàþ, âñå åùå ïðîùå. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ âåðîèñïîâåäàíèÿ - evangelist ìîæíî ïåðåâåñòè è êàê ïðîòåñòàíò. Íî áûëî áû ñòðàííî, åñëè áû Ìîë÷àíîâû îêàçàëèñü ïðîòåñòàíòàìè. Âîçìîæíî, Òàìàðà ïîìåíÿëà êîíôåññèþ óæå â Ãåðìàíèè. orionbuffeHaven't you look for Valentina's descendants in Canada? I believe it's quite possible to find them. Perhars, they know something important about your common ancestors. As to confession I doubt Tamara was baptized as evangelist, most likely she was orthodox. She could changed a confession in Germany. I think also that you should adress to Consulate once more and insist that they help you. Show them the letter you' ve got from Kursk ZAGS. We have to be persistent with officials.  ---
Âñå ëè÷íûå äàííûå, ìîè è ìîåé ñåìüè, ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå ñ ñîãëàñèÿ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
×åðìåíñêèå (Êåðåíñê, Ñàðàòîâ), Ëóïåéêî/Ëóïåéêà (Ëèòâà, ÑØÀ), Ðåíêå è Âåíãëèíñêèå (Êèåâ, Ðàäîìûøëü), Êâÿòêîâñêèå (Ìèíñêàÿ ãóá), Åëîçèíû (Àðêàäàê) | | |
| orionbuffe Íîâè÷îê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4 | Íàâåðõ ##
10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 0:03 I did it, Valentina had only one son, he gave me some little informations, but it was one year ago. My grandfather has contact with him, sometimes. Me too, I was astonished. But, as you can see, there's a mistake in her name (Jamara instead Tamara), I think that the German officer wasn't very very serious when he restored this act ! Or maybe she just wanted to hide that she was orthodox. Anyway, I'm totally sure she was orthodox, so it doesn't matter. I'll follow your advice, I'm gonna annoy them a bit ! Thank you ! ---
Sorry for my Russian. | | |
| kbg_dnepr
Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 11:37 orionbuffeorionbuffe íàïèñàë: [q] I'm gonna annoy them a bit ![/q]
That's the right way with our officials  ---
Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
Tasha56Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àcòíèê  Ðîññèÿ Ñîîáùåíèé: 12641 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 41412 | Íàâåðõ ##
10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:02 gachÂèäèìî, ïî ñâîèì èññëåäîâàíèÿì ìû ñòîëêíóëèñü ñ ðàçíûìè ñèòóàöèÿìè. Ïî Êîñòðîìå íàì òîæå ïðèøëîñü óçíàâàòü ðàéîííûé ÇÀÃÑ, ãäå âûäàâàëñÿ îðèãèíàë.... [q] Âîçìîæíî, Òàìàðà ïîìåíÿëà êîíôåññèþ óæå â Ãåðìàíèè. [/q]
Î òîì è ðàçãîâîð. Íå âñå äîêóìåíòû îòðàáîòàíû åùå ïî ìåñòàì æèòåëüñòâà Òàìàðû çà ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû... Ýìèãðàöèÿ (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè), ïîëó÷åíèå ãðàæäàíñòâà (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè), ñìåíà âåðû (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè)......äîìîâûå êíèãè ïî ìåñòó æèòåëüñòâà (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè)..... Ãäå ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû ïðîæèâàëà ðîäñòâåííèöà? ....Ïóòü ìèãðàöèè (äâèæåíèÿ) âîîáùå íå ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ (âûïèñàëàñü ñ àäðåñà.../ïðîïèñàëàñü â àäðåñ...). Åñòü ýïèçîäè÷åñêàÿ ìèãðàöèÿ (äåëîâûå, òóðèñòè÷ñêèå ïîåçäêè è ò.ä.), ãäå ÏÄ âïèñûâàþòñÿ ÷àñòè÷íî, íî (â äàííîì ñëó÷àå) ðå÷ü î ñìåíå ìåñòà æèòåëüñòâà....ïàêåò äîêóìåíòîâ íå óñòóïàåò ïàêåòó ïåðåñåëåíöåâ. --- ✅ Âîïðîñû ïî ïîèñêó, àäðåñîâàííûå ìíå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êðåïèòå â òåìó äíåâíèêà >>>
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| orionbuffe Íîâè÷îê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4 | Íàâåðõ ##
10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:32 Hello ! Russian Consulate just answered : Translation "Sir, Unfortunately, the consular section of the Embassy can not get the birth act of a dead person. Respectfully, Consular Section, Russian Embassy in Belgium" ---- So, I think I will have to forget the Embassy. About Tamara's name, I think it can't have been changed : I have a letter that she wrote to USSR Embassy (in 1958), to renew her passport (to go in Russia). She had to give her real identity I suppose, right ? (I tried to find this passport, but it seems it has been lost after her death) I'm gonna receive her decease act soon, maybe there will be a surprise, maybe. ---
Sorry for my Russian. | | |
Tasha56Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àcòíèê Ðîññèÿ Ñîîáùåíèé: 12641 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 41412 | Íàâåðõ ##
10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:43 orionbuffe
You fill brownies books? Where Tamara lived recently? --- ✅ Âîïðîñû ïî ïîèñêó, àäðåñîâàííûå ìíå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êðåïèòå â òåìó äíåâíèêà >>>
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Geo Z LT Ñîîáùåíèé: 19768 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13338 | Íàâåðõ ##
10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:44 Tasha56 íàïèñàë: [q] ñìåíà âåðû (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè)[/q]
Ïî÷åìó ïèøèòå î êàêî-òî ñìåíå âåðû.  ÑÑÑÐ âåðîèñïîâåäàíèå îôèöèàëüíî íå îôîðìëÿëîñü, à ÷àñòî è ïðèõîäèëîñü ñêðûâàòü ýòî. Âî-âòîðûõ , áûëè íå òîëüêî ïðàâîñëàâíûå, íî ìíîæåñòâî ðàçíûõ äðóãèõ òå÷åíèé. Íàïðèìåð: Åâà́íãåëüñêèå õðèñòèà́íå (òàêæå èçâåñòíû, êàê «ïðîõàíîâöû», «ïàøêîâöû», «ðåäñòîêèñòû») — äâèæåíèå ïðîòåñòàíòñêîãî õðèñòèàíñòâà, ïîëó÷èâøåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèå â Ðîññèè â êîíöå XIX — ïåðâîé ïîëîâèíå XX âåêà.  1944 ãîäó öåðêâè åâàíãåëüñêèõ õðèñòèàí è áàïòèñòîâ âîøëè â îäèí ñîþç (ÂÑÅÕÁ), îáðàçîâàâ åäèíóþ êîíôåññèþ åâàíãåëüñêèõ õðèñòèàí-áàïòèñòîâ. | | |
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:50 10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:53 Geo Z[q] Ïî÷åìó ïèøèòå î êàêî-òî ñìåíå âåðû.[/q]
 äîêóìåíòå çàïèñàíî "åâàíãåëèñòêà"..... ðå÷ü èäåò íå êîíêðåòíî îá ýòîì ñëó÷àå, ðàññìàòðèâàþòñÿ âîçìîæíûå âàðèàíòû ïî ïîèñêó äàííûõ..... [q]  ÑÑÑÐ âåðîèñïîâåäàíèå îôèöèàëüíî íå îôîðìëÿëîñü, à ÷àñòî è ïðèõîäèëîñü ñêðûâàòü ýòî.[/q]
Ïðàáàáóøêà ðîæäåíà â 1924 ãîäó. Áðÿíñê áûë öåíòðîì Áðÿíñêîé ãóáåðíèè äî 1929 ãîäà. Èç ïðàêòèêè (íå òåîðèè) èçâåñòíî, ÷òî â ýòè ãîäû íåêîòîðûå êðåñòèëè ñâîèõ äåòåé â öåðêâÿõ, õîòÿ ãîíåíèÿ óæå íà÷àëèñü.... --- ✅ Âîïðîñû ïî ïîèñêó, àäðåñîâàííûå ìíå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êðåïèòå â òåìó äíåâíèêà >>>
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 16:04 Tasha56[q] Ýìèãðàöèÿ (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè), ïîëó÷åíèå ãðàæäàíñòâà (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè), ñìåíà âåðû (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè)....[/q]
Íó, ýìèãðàöèåé ýòî íå íàçîâåøü, åñëè èõ íåìöû óãíàëè â Ãåðìàíèþ.  Íî â öåëîì, êàê ÿ ïîíÿëà, âû äóìàåòå, ÷òî åìó åñòü åùå ÷òî îòðàáîòàòü â Ãåðìàíèè, äà? [q] äîìîâûå êíèãè ïî ìåñòó æèòåëüñòâà (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè).....
Ãäå ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû ïðîæèâàëà ðîäñòâåííèöà? ....Ïóòü ìèãðàöèè (äâèæåíèÿ) âîîáùå íå ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ (âûïèñàëàñü ñ àäðåñà.../ïðîïèñàëàñü â àäðåñ...). [/q]
Òóò ÿ íå ñîâñåì ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî âû èìååòå â âèäó. Îí æå ïîä÷åðêèâàåò, ÷òî ó íåãî íåò áîëüøå íèêàêîé èíôîðìàöèè, êðîìå èçëîæåííîé. Îí íàøåë ñûíà Âàëåíòèíû â Êàíàäå, òîò ïî÷òè íè÷åãî íå ñìîã äîáàâèòü ê óæå èçâåñòíîìó. ---
Âñå ëè÷íûå äàííûå, ìîè è ìîåé ñåìüè, ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå ñ ñîãëàñèÿ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
×åðìåíñêèå (Êåðåíñê, Ñàðàòîâ), Ëóïåéêî/Ëóïåéêà (Ëèòâà, ÑØÀ), Ðåíêå è Âåíãëèíñêèå (Êèåâ, Ðàäîìûøëü), Êâÿòêîâñêèå (Ìèíñêàÿ ãóá), Åëîçèíû (Àðêàäàê) | | |
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