Searching for my roots - Molchanov
Molchanov in Koursk and Bryansk area
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4363
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 11:37 orionbuffeorionbuffe íàïèñàë: [q] I'm gonna annoy them a bit ![/q]
That's the right way with our officials  ---
Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:02 gachÂèäèìî, ïî ñâîèì èññëåäîâàíèÿì ìû ñòîëêíóëèñü ñ ðàçíûìè ñèòóàöèÿìè. Ïî Êîñòðîìå íàì òîæå ïðèøëîñü óçíàâàòü ðàéîííûé ÇÀÃÑ, ãäå âûäàâàëñÿ îðèãèíàë.... [q] Âîçìîæíî, Òàìàðà ïîìåíÿëà êîíôåññèþ óæå â Ãåðìàíèè. [/q]
Î òîì è ðàçãîâîð. Íå âñå äîêóìåíòû îòðàáîòàíû åùå ïî ìåñòàì æèòåëüñòâà Òàìàðû çà ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû... Ýìèãðàöèÿ (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè), ïîëó÷åíèå ãðàæäàíñòâà (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè), ñìåíà âåðû (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè)......äîìîâûå êíèãè ïî ìåñòó æèòåëüñòâà (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè)..... Ãäå ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû ïðîæèâàëà ðîäñòâåííèöà? ....Ïóòü ìèãðàöèè (äâèæåíèÿ) âîîáùå íå ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ (âûïèñàëàñü ñ àäðåñà.../ïðîïèñàëàñü â àäðåñ...). Åñòü ýïèçîäè÷åñêàÿ ìèãðàöèÿ (äåëîâûå, òóðèñòè÷ñêèå ïîåçäêè è ò.ä.), ãäå ÏÄ âïèñûâàþòñÿ ÷àñòè÷íî, íî (â äàííîì ñëó÷àå) ðå÷ü î ñìåíå ìåñòà æèòåëüñòâà....ïàêåò äîêóìåíòîâ íå óñòóïàåò ïàêåòó ïåðåñåëåíöåâ. --- ✅ Âîïðîñû ïî ïîèñêó, àäðåñîâàííûå ìíå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êðåïèòå â òåìó äíåâíèêà >>>
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| orionbuffe Íîâè÷îê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 9
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4 | Íàâåðõ ##
10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:32 Hello ! Russian Consulate just answered : Translation  "Sir, Unfortunately, the consular section of the Embassy can not get the birth act of a dead person. Respectfully, Consular Section, Russian Embassy in Belgium" ---- So, I think I will have to forget the Embassy. About Tamara's name, I think it can't have been changed : I have a letter that she wrote to USSR Embassy (in 1958), to renew her passport (to go in Russia). She had to give her real identity I suppose, right ? (I tried to find this passport, but it seems it has been lost after her death) I'm gonna receive her decease act soon, maybe there will be a surprise, maybe. ---
Sorry for my Russian. | | |
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:43 orionbuffe
You fill brownies books? Where Tamara lived recently? --- ✅ Âîïðîñû ïî ïîèñêó, àäðåñîâàííûå ìíå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êðåïèòå â òåìó äíåâíèêà >>>
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:44 Tasha56 íàïèñàë: [q] ñìåíà âåðû (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè)[/q]
Ïî÷åìó ïèøèòå î êàêî-òî ñìåíå âåðû.  ÑÑÑÐ âåðîèñïîâåäàíèå îôèöèàëüíî íå îôîðìëÿëîñü, à ÷àñòî è ïðèõîäèëîñü ñêðûâàòü ýòî. Âî-âòîðûõ , áûëè íå òîëüêî ïðàâîñëàâíûå, íî ìíîæåñòâî ðàçíûõ äðóãèõ òå÷åíèé. Íàïðèìåð: Åâà́íãåëüñêèå õðèñòèà́íå (òàêæå èçâåñòíû, êàê «ïðîõàíîâöû», «ïàøêîâöû», «ðåäñòîêèñòû») — äâèæåíèå ïðîòåñòàíòñêîãî õðèñòèàíñòâà, ïîëó÷èâøåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèå â Ðîññèè â êîíöå XIX — ïåðâîé ïîëîâèíå XX âåêà.  1944 ãîäó öåðêâè åâàíãåëüñêèõ õðèñòèàí è áàïòèñòîâ âîøëè â îäèí ñîþç (ÂÑÅÕÁ), îáðàçîâàâ åäèíóþ êîíôåññèþ åâàíãåëüñêèõ õðèñòèàí-áàïòèñòîâ. | | |
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:50 10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 15:53 Geo Z[q] Ïî÷åìó ïèøèòå î êàêî-òî ñìåíå âåðû.[/q]
 äîêóìåíòå çàïèñàíî "åâàíãåëèñòêà"..... ðå÷ü èäåò íå êîíêðåòíî îá ýòîì ñëó÷àå, ðàññìàòðèâàþòñÿ âîçìîæíûå âàðèàíòû ïî ïîèñêó äàííûõ..... [q]  ÑÑÑÐ âåðîèñïîâåäàíèå îôèöèàëüíî íå îôîðìëÿëîñü, à ÷àñòî è ïðèõîäèëîñü ñêðûâàòü ýòî.[/q]
Ïðàáàáóøêà ðîæäåíà â 1924 ãîäó. Áðÿíñê áûë öåíòðîì Áðÿíñêîé ãóáåðíèè äî 1929 ãîäà. Èç ïðàêòèêè (íå òåîðèè) èçâåñòíî, ÷òî â ýòè ãîäû íåêîòîðûå êðåñòèëè ñâîèõ äåòåé â öåðêâÿõ, õîòÿ ãîíåíèÿ óæå íà÷àëèñü.... --- ✅ Âîïðîñû ïî ïîèñêó, àäðåñîâàííûå ìíå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êðåïèòå â òåìó äíåâíèêà >>>
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 16:04 Tasha56[q] Ýìèãðàöèÿ (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè), ïîëó÷åíèå ãðàæäàíñòâà (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè), ñìåíà âåðû (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè)....[/q]
Íó, ýìèãðàöèåé ýòî íå íàçîâåøü, åñëè èõ íåìöû óãíàëè â Ãåðìàíèþ.  Íî â öåëîì, êàê ÿ ïîíÿëà, âû äóìàåòå, ÷òî åìó åñòü åùå ÷òî îòðàáîòàòü â Ãåðìàíèè, äà? [q] äîìîâûå êíèãè ïî ìåñòó æèòåëüñòâà (äîêóìåíòû ñ ïåðñîíàëüíûìè äàííûìè).....
Ãäå ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû ïðîæèâàëà ðîäñòâåííèöà? ....Ïóòü ìèãðàöèè (äâèæåíèÿ) âîîáùå íå ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ (âûïèñàëàñü ñ àäðåñà.../ïðîïèñàëàñü â àäðåñ...). [/q]
Òóò ÿ íå ñîâñåì ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî âû èìååòå â âèäó. Îí æå ïîä÷åðêèâàåò, ÷òî ó íåãî íåò áîëüøå íèêàêîé èíôîðìàöèè, êðîìå èçëîæåííîé. Îí íàøåë ñûíà Âàëåíòèíû â Êàíàäå, òîò ïî÷òè íè÷åãî íå ñìîã äîáàâèòü ê óæå èçâåñòíîìó. ---
Âñå ëè÷íûå äàííûå, ìîè è ìîåé ñåìüè, ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå ñ ñîãëàñèÿ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
×åðìåíñêèå (Êåðåíñê, Ñàðàòîâ), Ëóïåéêî/Ëóïåéêà (Ëèòâà, ÑØÀ), Ðåíêå è Âåíãëèíñêèå (Êèåâ, Ðàäîìûøëü), Êâÿòêîâñêèå (Ìèíñêàÿ ãóá), Åëîçèíû (Àðêàäàê) | | |
gachóøëà èç æèçíè 13.07.2019 ã. Ñâåòëàÿ ïàìÿòü Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1108 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2668 | Íàâåðõ ##
10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 16:50 10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 18:21 Âîïðîñ ñ êîíôåññèåé ïðîÿñíåí. Âîò ïåðåâîä:
«Òàìàðà æèëà â Áåëüãèè ñ 1950 ïî 1991, êðîìå êîðîòêîãî ïåðèîäà, êîãäà óåçæàëà ñ ìóæåì â Êîíãî.
Îòíîñèòåëüíî åå ðåëèãèè. ß óâåðåí, ÷òî «ïðîòåñòàíòêà» (ëþòåðàíêà?) â íåìåöêîì äîêóìåíòå îøèáêà. Ìîé ïðàäåä âñåãäà ãîâîðèë, ÷òî îíà ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ. Åå ñåñòðà Âàëåíòèíà áûëà ïðàâîñëàâíîé äî ñàìîé ñìåðòè.
Ïðèàòòà÷åííûé äîêóìåíò – ñîîáùåíèå î ñìåðòè Âàëåíòèíû, íàïèñàí ïî-ôðàíöóçñêè. Æåëòûì âûäåëåíû ñëîâà – «Áóäåò ïðîâåäåíà ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ ïàíèõèäà».
ß ïûòàþñü ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñî ñâÿùåííèêîì, êîòîðûé îáùàëñÿ ñ Âàëåíòèíîé».
Ðóññêîå êîíñóëüñòâî åãî åùå ðàç îòáðèëî, ìîë, ìû íå ìîæåì äàòü ñâåäåíèé î ðîæäåíèè óìåðøåãî. Îí åùå îòìå÷àåò, ÷òî â íåìåöêîì äîêóìåíòå èìÿ Òàìàðû íàïèñàíî íåïðàâèëüíî – íå Tamara, à Jamara. Íî ó íåãî åñòü ïèñüìî Òàìàðû â ïîñîëüñòâî ÑÑÑÐ, 1958 ãîäà, ÷òîáû îáíîâèòü åå ïàñïîðò äëÿ ïîåçäêè íà ðîäèíó. «Òàì æå îíà íàïèñàëà ïðàâèëüíîå èìÿ, íå òàê ëè? Íî áîþñü, ýòîò ïàñïîðò áûë ïîòåðÿí ïîñëå åå ñìåðòè. ß ñîáèðàþñü ïîëó÷èòü çàïèñü î åå ñìåðòè, ìîæåò áûòü, òàì áóäåò íîâàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ».
Åñëè ÿ ïðàâèëüíî ïîíèìàþ, ó íåå áûë ðîññèéñêèé ïàñïîðò? Ýòî íå äàåò êàêèõ-òî íîâûõ âàðèàíòîâ ïîèñêà, êàê äóìàåòå?
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Âñå ëè÷íûå äàííûå, ìîè è ìîåé ñåìüè, ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå ñ ñîãëàñèÿ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
×åðìåíñêèå (Êåðåíñê, Ñàðàòîâ), Ëóïåéêî/Ëóïåéêà (Ëèòâà, ÑØÀ), Ðåíêå è Âåíãëèíñêèå (Êèåâ, Ðàäîìûøëü), Êâÿòêîâñêèå (Ìèíñêàÿ ãóá), Åëîçèíû (Àðêàäàê) | | |
Geo ZLT Ñîîáùåíèé: 19768 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13338 | Íàâåðõ ##
10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 17:01 gach íàïèñàë: [q] Âîïðîñ ñ êîíôåññèåé ïðîÿñíåí.[/q]
Òîîäà ìîæåò ïîïðîáîâàòü ïîèñêàòü ïî öåðêîâíûì äîêóìåíòàì. Âûÿñíèòü ê êàêîìó ïðèõîäó ìîãëè îòíîñèòüñÿ. Ê Áðþññåëüñêîé è Áåëüãèéñêîé åïàðõèè Ìîñêîâñêîãî Ïàòðèàðõàòà îòíîñÿòñÿ 12 ïðèõîäîâ (4 — â Áðþññåëå, à òàêæå â ãîðîäàõ Àíòâåðïåí, ˸âåí, Øàðëåðóà, Îñòåíäå, Ëüåæ, Íàìþð, Îòòèíüè, Ìîíñ, Òóðíå) è 2 ìîíàñòûðÿ. Êðîìå òîãî, â Áåëüãèè äåéñòâóþò 2 ïðèõîäà Ðóññêîé ïðàâîñëàâíîé öåðêâè çàãðàíèöåé, îòíîñÿùèåñÿ ê Æåíåâñêîé è Çàïàäíî-Åâðîïåéñêîé åïàðõèè. | | |
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10 íîÿáðÿ 2015 17:32 11 íîÿáðÿ 2015 12:29 gach[q] Òóò ÿ íå ñîâñåì ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî âû èìååòå â âèäó.[/q]
Ïîñìîòðèòå ãðàôû äîìîâîé êíèãè. Çà ãðàíèöåé îíè èäåíòè÷íû íàøèì, äàæå åñëè äîì â ÷àñòíîì âëàäåíèè. --- ✅ Âîïðîñû ïî ïîèñêó, àäðåñîâàííûå ìíå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êðåïèòå â òåìó äíåâíèêà >>>
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