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| makarenko_tata Íîâè÷îê Ìîñêâà, Èðêóòñê Ñîîáùåíèé: 14 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2023 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24 | Çäðàâñòâóéòå! Ðàññêàæó ïðî ñâîèõ, ìîæåò, íàéäó ðîäñòâåííèêîâ èëè äðóçåé ìîèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Ìîè ïðàáàáóøêà è ïðàäåäóøêà Ñîáà÷åíêî (Õàíêàëîâà) Êñåíèÿ Ðîìàíîâíà (1887-1941) è Ñîáà÷åíêî Ìèõàèë Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷ (1893-1938) æèëè â Ìàíü÷æóðèè (èëè Õàðáèíå) ñ 1911-1910 ïî 1913 ãîä, çàòåì âåðíóëèñü â Èðêóòñê.  1914-1918 ãîäó ñíîâà æèëè â Ìàíü÷æóðèè, çàòåì îêîí÷àòåëüíî âåðíóëèñü â Èðêóòñê. Óåçæàëè èç Ðîññèè ïî îòäåëüíîñòè, äðóã äðóãà íå çíàëè. Ìèõàèë ðîäèëñÿ â Èðêóòñêå â 1893 ãîäó. Îá îòöå ïðàäåäà ñâåäåíèé íå îêàçàëîñü — îí, âèäèìî, ðàíî óìåð, íî óïîìèíàëèñü ìàòü è îò÷èì, êîòîðûå çàíèìàëèñü ìåëêîé áàêàëåéíîé òîðãîâëåé. Ïîñëå îêîí÷àíèÿ ãîðîäñêîé øêîëû â 1911 ãîäó Ìèõàèë áûë îòïðàâëåí ðîäèòåëÿìè â Ìàíü÷æóðèþ äëÿ îáó÷åíèÿ òîðãîâîìó ðåìåñëó ó êóïöà Ñâå÷íèêîâà (Ñâåøíèêîâà). Òîò êóïåö èìåë ñâîé ìàãàçèí, ýëåêòðîñòàíöèþ è áàíè. Ìèõàèë ïðîðàáîòàë ó íåãî ïðèêàç÷èêîì è àðòåëüùèêîì ïî ñáîðó äåíåã äî 1918 ãîäà. Êñåíèÿ ðîäèëàñü â Èðêóòñêå è óåõàëà â Ìàíü÷æóðèþ ëå÷èòü çðåíèå, â èòîãå ñòàëà ðàáîòàòü êàññèðîì â áàíå ó òîãî æå êóïöà Ñâå÷íèêîâà, ãäå ïîçíàêîìèëàñü ñ áóäóùèì ìóæåì. Êîãäà îò÷èì Ìèõàèëà óìåð, åãî ìàòü îñòàëàñü îäíà, îí ñ ñåìüåé âåðíóëñÿ â Èðêóòñê.  ýòî âðåìÿ øëà Ãðàæäàíñêàÿ âîéíà è Ñèáèðü áûëà ïîä âëàñòüþ áåëûõ. Âåðíóëñÿ íå îäèí, âìåñòå ñ ïåðâûì îáùèì ðåáåíêîì — Ïåëàãååé (Ïîëèíîé) Ìèõàéëîâíîé Ñîáà÷åíêî, ðîæäåííîé â 1916 (1918) ãîäó â Ìàíü÷æóðèè (ïî äðóãèì ñâåäåíèÿì — â Èðêóòñêå).  Èðêóòñêå Ìèõàèë óñòðîèëñÿ íà ðàáîòó â ìàãàçèí, çàòåì — â Óïðàâëåíèå íà÷àëüíèêà ãîðîäñêîé ìèëèöèè òåëåôîíèñòîì. Ñ 1921 ïî 1926 ãîäû ïîñëå îêîí÷àíèÿ òðåõìåñÿ÷íûõ áèáëåéñêèõ êóðñîâ îí ðàáîòàë ïëàòíûì ïðîïîâåäíèêîì îò áàïòèñòñêîé îáùèíû, ïåðåøåë ê åâàíãåëèñòàì, íî â èòîãå ïðåêðàòèë îòíîøåíèÿ ñ îáåèìè ìèññèÿìè. Ñ ýòîãî âðåìåíè Ìèõàèë Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷ çàíÿëñÿ ðèñîâàíèåì êàðòèí íà ñòåêëå è ïðîèçâîäñòâîì ôîòîðàìîê, ñáûâàÿ ñâîþ ïðîäóêöèþ íà ìåñòíîì ðûíêå, èìåë äàæå ñâîþ ìàñòåðñêóþ. Ïîçæå óñòðîèëñÿ ðàáîòàòü çàâõîçîì â ïîëèêëèíèêó Ïåðâîé Âîñòî÷íî-Ñèáèðñêîé æåëåçíîé äîðîãè, ãäå è ÷èñëèëñÿ äî ñâîåãî àðåñòà â 1937 ãîäó. Ê òîìó âðåìåíè èìåë ÷åòâåðûõ äåòåé — Åâàíãåëèíó (1922), Ëèäèþ (1924) è Íèêîëàÿ (ñûí Êñåíèè îò ïåðâîãî ãðàæäàíñêîãî áðàêà, 1906). Êñåíèÿ è Ìèõàèë áûëè êðåùåíû â ïðàâîñëàâíîé âåðå, Ìèõàèë ïåðåøåë â áàïòèçì èç ïðàâîñëàâèÿ ñ 1.12.1915 ãîäà. Ïîëèíà (Ïåëàãåÿ) íà ìîìåíò àðåñòà îòöà (ïî îáâèíåíèþ ïî 58 ñòàòüå) â îêòÿáðå 1937 ãîäà ðàáîòàëà â Èðêóòñêîé Ñëþäôàáðèêå â øòàìïîâî÷íîì öåõå. Æèëà âìåñòå ñ ðîäèòåëÿìè è ñåñòðàìè ïî àäðåñó Èðêóòñê, ×åðíûøåâñêàÿ (óãîë ×åðíûøåâñêîé è Ïóøêèíñêîé) ä. 54, êâ. 9.  1941 ãîäó ðàáîòàëà â Õóäîæåñòâåííîé ôîòî-àðòåëè Èðêóòñêîãî ìåæðàéïðîìñîþçà (îòäåë ¹ 9), î ÷åì åñòü ôîòîêàðòî÷êà êîëëåêòèâà.  Ìàíü÷æóðèè ñåìüÿ Ñîáà÷åíêî äðóæèëà ñ ñåìüåé Øóíÿåâûõ, îíè îòïðàâëÿëè äðóã äðóãó ïèñüìà è îòêðûòêè, åñòü ôîòîêàðòî÷êà Øóíÿåâûõ (ìàòü è äâå äåâî÷êè) îò ìàÿ 1918 ãîäà. |
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| Gul Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Ñîîáùåíèé: 14458 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 43939 | makarenko_tata íàïèñàë: Âåðíóëñÿ íå îäèí, âìåñòå ñ ïåðâûì îáùèì ðåáåíêîì — Ïåëàãååé (Ïîëèíîé) Ìèõàéëîâíîé Ñîáà÷åíêî, ðîæäåííîé â 1916 (1918) ãîäó â Ìàíü÷æóðèè (ïî äðóãèì ñâåäåíèÿì — â Èðêóòñêå) ×òîáû óçíàòü òî÷íåå, ñäåëàéòå çàïðîñ â ÐÃÈÀ Ä íà ïîèñê ìåòðè÷åñêîé çàïèñè î ðîæäåíèè Ïåëàãåè. Âåðîÿòíî, åñòü è çàïèñü î âåí÷àíèè ðîäèòåëåé.  ÐÃÈÀ Ä åñòü êîëëåêöèÿ ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèã ïîëîñû îò÷óæäåíèÿ ÊÂÆÄ äî 1922 È Ìàíü÷æóðèè â òîì ÷èñëå |
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| makarenko_tata Íîâè÷îê Ìîñêâà, Èðêóòñê Ñîîáùåíèé: 14 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2023 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24 | Gul íàïèñàë: ×òîáû óçíàòü òî÷íåå, ñäåëàéòå çàïðîñ â ÐÃÈÀ Ä Ñïàñèáî! Äåëàëà íåñêîëüêî ðàç -- è áðàê, è ðîæäåíèå. Íè÷åãî íå íàøëè( |
| yemkuzubalen Íîâè÷îê Ñîîáùåíèé: 20 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 19 | Äëÿ èùóùèõ  àðõèâíîì óãîëîâíî-ñëåäñòâåííîì äåëå ïî îáâèíåíèþ Àëåíèøêî Äåìüÿíà Äåìüÿíîâè÷à èìåþòñÿ ñëåäóþùèå ñâåäåíèÿ î åãî ðîäñòâåííèêàõ: 1. ×åðíóõà Ïàâåë Âàñèëüåâè÷ (äÿäÿ), ðàáîòàë ìàøèíèñòîì âîäîêà÷êè ñò. Øèòîóõýäçè ÊÂÆÄ; 2. Êîçûðü Íèêîëàé Íèêèòè÷ (ìóæ ñåñòðû Àíàñòàñèè), ðàáîòàë ïðîäàâöîì â êîîïåðàöèè è ñ ñåìüåé ïðîæèâàë â ïîñ. ïðè ñò. Ïÿòèõàòêà Ñòàëèíñêîé æ.ä.; 3. Êàëàéäà Èâàí Àðõèïîâè÷ (ìóæ ñåñòðû æåíû Åâäîêèè (òàê â äîêóìåíòå)), áûâøèé ñ÷åòîâîä ó÷àñòêà Ïóòè ñò. Õàðáèí. Èç ÊÂÆÄ îíè âûåõàëè â 1935 ãîäó è ðàáîòàë îí íà ñò. Ñàðûãîé (Êðûì) áóõãàëòåðîì; 4. Ñèìîíîâ Ôèëèïï Êîíñòàíòèíîâè÷ (ìóæ ñåñòðû æåíû Ìåëàíèè), áûâøèé ìàñòåð äåïî ñò. Áóõýäó, âûåõàë èç ÊÂÆÄ â 1935 ãîäó è ðàáîòàë ìàñòåðîì äåïî Ïîêðîâñê; 5. Ïàí÷åíêî Êàëèñòðàò Èâàíîâè÷ (âòîðîé ìóæ ñåñòðû æåíû Àíàñòàñèè (òàê â äîêóìåíòå), êîòîðàÿ äî 1918 ãîäà áûëà çàìóæåì çà Æóáàðòîâè÷åì – îí óìåð), ïîìîùíèê ìàøèííîãî äåïî ñò. Öèöèêàð ÊÂÆÄ, âûåõàë èç ÊÂÆÄ â 1935 ãîäó è ðàáîòàë ïîìîùíèêîì ìàøèííîãî äåïî Áàëàøîâ; 6. Êîíêîëîâè÷ Ñåìåí Êàçèìèðîâè÷ (ìóæ ñåñòðû æåíû Ìàðèè), áûâøèé äåñÿòíèê ñêëàäà òîïëèâà ñò. Äæåíàíòóíü ÊÂÆÄ, âûåõàë â ÑÑÑÐ â 1935 ãîäó íà ñò. Ýìáà – Îðåíáóðãñêàÿ æ.ä.; 7. Óëàñèê ßêîâ Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷ (áðàò æåíû), ðàáîòàë â 1916 ãîäó íà ñò. Ñòîëáöû è îñòàëñÿ â Ïîëüøå (â äîêóìåíòå íàïèñàíî «ãäå îí íå çíàþ»); 8. Æóáàðòîâè÷ Êîíñòàíòèí Âëàäèìèðîâè÷(ñûí ñåñòðû æåíû Àíàñòàñèè (òàê â äîêóìåíòå)), ðàáîòàë íà ñò. Áàëàøîâ, â 1935 ãîäó èëè â íà÷àëå 1936 ãîäà àðåñòîâàí (òàê â äîêóìåíòå); Îñíîâàíèå: ÀÏ ÐÊ. Ô. 18 (ÄÏ ÇÊÎ). Îï. 1 Ä. 2872 |
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| Kazesenci Íîâè÷îê mszana dolna Ñîîáùåíèé: 4 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2025 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1 | Good morning. I am not able to write Russian. I can only read the alphabet. I come from Poland and this page finds me really interesting. My great great grandfather - Franciszek (or German Franz) Kotarba was in Harbin between 1919-1920/21. He came from Mszana Dolna (city where he was born near Cracov). I am searching any kind of information about him. If you have any clue, let me know, please. |
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| Gul Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Ñîîáùåíèé: 14458 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 43939 | Kazesenci Franciszek (or German Franz) Kotarba Was he born in 1881? Did he participate in the Great War of 1914? If yes, he was in the Czechoslovak Corps in the Far East. So he was in Harbin during these years |
| Kazesenci Íîâè÷îê mszana dolna Ñîîáùåíèé: 4 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2025 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1 | Gul My Franciszek was born in 1889, he took part in I WW, from 1914 to 1917/18 he was a prisoner in Russian Army. |
| Gul Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Ñîîáùåíèé: 14458 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 43939 | Kazesenci The Czechoslovak Corps in Harbin also included prisoners of war There is a lot of information on the Internet about the Czechoslovak Corps in the Far East and in Harbin. I understand that he is from Sventiki (?) And fought in the Austro-Hungarian troops Then he ended up in the Czechoslovak Legion and in Harbin I have no information about his stay in Harbin. Look at Jerzy Chajewski's mail here. https://forum.vgd.ru/index.php?m=feed&a=list_warn4&u=111024 Perhaps he can help you |
| winrule Íîâè÷îê Ðîñòîâñêàÿ îáë. Ñîîáùåíèé: 20 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2025 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 18 | Òîâàðèùè ýêñïåðòû ïî Õàðáèíó, ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ãäå ðåãèñòðèðîâàëèñü áðàêè è ðîæäåíèÿ â ïåðèîä ñ 1941ãî è äî ìîìåíòà âûäâîðåíèÿ â ÑÑÑÐ ?  ÁÐÝÌ êðàéíèå äàòû ïî ïðåäêàì 1938ã. Áûë ëè â Ìàí÷æóðèè àíàëîã ÇÀÃÑà, åñëè ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè ïîñëå 1921ãã íå âñòðå÷àþòñÿ, èëè åãî ôóíêöèè âûïîëíÿë ÁÐÝÌ ? |
| Gul Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Ñîîáùåíèé: 14458 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 43939 | winrule íàïèñàë: ãäå ðåãèñòðèðîâàëèñü áðàêè è ðîæäåíèÿ â ïåðèîä ñ 1941ãî è äî ìîìåíòà âûäâîðåíèÿ â ÑÑÑÐ ?  ÁÐÝÌ êðàéíèå äàòû ïî ïðåäêàì 1938ã. Áûë ëè â Ìàí÷æóðèè àíàëîã ÇÀÃÑà, åñëè ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè ïîñëå 1921ãã íå âñòðå÷àþòñÿ, èëè åãî ôóíêöèè âûïîëíÿë ÁÐÝÌ ? Õàðáèíöû, èìåâøèå ñîâåòñêîå ïîääàíñòâî, ðåãèñòðèðîâàëè áðàêè è ðîæäåíèÿ â ñîâåòñêîì êîíñóëüñòâå Íî îíè òàêæå ìîãëè âåí÷àòüñÿ è êðåñòèòü äåòåé â öåðêâÿõ. Ñ êîíöà 1941 ñîâ. êîíñóëüñòâî ïðåêðàòèëî ñâîþ äåÿòåëüíîñòü Âîçîáíîâèëî òîëüêî â 1945  ÐÃÈÀ Ä ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè öåðêâåé Õàðáèíà è ñò ÊÂÆÄ ïåðèîäà Âëàäèâîñòîêñêîé åïàðõèè Ñ 1922-- Õàðáèíñêàÿ åïàðõèÿ, þðèñäèêöèÿ ÐÏÖ çàãðàíèöåé Äîñòóïà ê ìåòðè÷åñêèì êíèãàì ýòîãî ïåðèîäà íåò è èõ àäðåñ ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåèçâåñòåí  Ìàíü÷æîó-Ãî ÿïîíñêàÿ àäìèíèñòðàöèÿ ñîçäàëà ñâîè îðãàíû âëàñòè ñâîè ïðàâîâûå àêòû Âåðîÿòíî, áûëè ñîçäàíû è ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèå îðãàíèçàöèè Íî âñ¸ æå çàêëþ÷åíèå áðàêîâ è ðîæäåíèå äåòåé ïðîèñõîäèëî â ïðåäåëàõ ñâîèõ êîíôåññèé Âûåçæàþùèì â ÑÑÑÐ ðåïàòðèàíòàì îôîðìëÿëè ïàñïîðòà è ïð. äîêóìåíòû â ñîâ. êîíñóëüñòâå ÔÎÍÄ ÁÐÝÌ https://libinfo.org/index/index.php?id=16150 |
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