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21 íîÿáðÿ 2017 18:19 Ìíå ïîñìîòðåëè åù¸ çàïèñè çà íåñêîëüêî ëåò è îêàçàëîñü, ÷òî ñåìüÿ ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêè ïîñòîÿííî âåí÷àíèå, êðåùåíèå è îòïåâàíèå ïðîâîäèëà â åäèíîâåð÷åñêîì õðàìå. Ýòî íå ðàçîâîå äåéñòâèå äàæå îêàçàëîñü. Òàêæå âñïëûëà ñåìüÿ è ìîåãî ïðàäåäà(ñòàâøåãî â ïîñëåäñòâèè ìóæåì òîé ïðàáàáóøêè è êîòîðîãî ïîêà íå íàø¸ë), íî òîëüêî ïàðó ðàç ïîðó÷èòåëÿìè ó ïðàâîñëàâíûõ òîé äåðåâíè îòêóäà è îíè. Çíà÷èò ïðàäåä èç ïðàâîñëàâíûõ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ è åãî ñåìüÿ îòäàëà ïðåäïî÷òåíèå âñ¸ æå ïðàâîñëàâíîìó õðàìó ðÿäîì? Êàê-òî çàáàâíî âñ¸ âûõîäèò! --- Êîëÿêà (Çîëîòîíîøñêèé ó.), ×óïðèíà (Åëèñàâåòãðàäñêèé ó.), Ëàïòåâ (Êîíèí), Âåðåùó(à)ãèí, Êàëìûêîâ, Êóðíîñîâ, (Ìåëåíêîâñêèé ó.), Ðàòíèêîâ (Ñóäîãîäñêèé ó.), Àðáóçîâ(Ïîïîâ) (Êàñèìîâñêèé ó.) | | |
Konstantin Ivanovêàíä. èñò. íàóê  Êåìåðîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü - Êóçáàññ Ñîîáùåíèé: 14420 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2005 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 9218 | Íàâåðõ ##
21 íîÿáðÿ 2017 20:07 iskanderrr79 íàïèñàë: [q] Çíà÷èò ïðàäåä èç ïðàâîñëàâíûõ ïîëó÷àåòñÿ è åãî ñåìüÿ îòäàëà ïðåäïî÷òåíèå âñ¸ æå ïðàâîñëàâíîìó õðàìó ðÿäîì?[/q]
Ñêîðåå, îíè áûëè ñòàðîîáðÿäöàìè, êîòîðûìè ìàñêèðîâàëèñü ïîä åäèíîâåðöåâ. | | |
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21 íîÿáðÿ 2017 20:15 iskanderrr79 íàïèñàë: [q] ß íàñòðîèëñÿ áûëî óæå íà ïîèñêè â åäèíîâåð÷åñêîì íàïðàâëåíèè, íî òóò, âíèìàòåëüíî ïåðå÷èòàâ, íåîæèäàííî îáíàðóæèë, ÷òî îáà ðîäèòåëÿ ïðàáàáóøêè â çàïèñè ïðàâîñëàâíûå! Êàê òàêîå âîçìîæíî? Ýòî íîðìàëüíî? Íå îøèáêà? [/q]
Ýòî íîðìàëüíî, åäèíîâåðöû òîæå ïðàâîñëàâíûå. ß âîîáùå î÷åíü ðåäêî, èçó÷èâ ìåòðèêè ïî âñåì ïåòåðáóðãñêèì åäèíîâåð÷åñêèì öåðêâÿì â ïåðèîä ñ 1801 ïî 1917 ãîä, âñòðå÷àë çàïèñü îòëè÷íóþ îò "îáà ïðàâîñëàâíîãî âåðîèñïîâåäàíèÿ".  99 % ñëó÷àåâ âñå ïðèõîæàíå êîíå÷íî óêàçàíû ïðàâîñëàâíûìè. | | |
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21 íîÿáðÿ 2017 20:34 Konstantin Ivanov íàïèñàë: [q] Ñêîðåå, îíè áûëè ñòàðîîáðÿäöàìè, êîòîðûìè ìàñêèðîâàëèñü ïîä åäèíîâåðöåâ. [/q]
Âîîáùå-òî åäèíîâåðöû òîæå ñòàðîîáðÿäöû, êðîìå òîãî äî 1840-õ îíè è åäèíîâåð÷åñêèå öåðêâè îôèöèàëüíî ïèñàëèñü îáû÷íî ñòàðîîáðÿä÷åñêèìè... | | |
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21 íîÿáðÿ 2017 23:31 Ñìîòðåë âûëîæåííóþ â èíåòå ÌÊ åäèíîâåð÷åñêîé öåðêâè, òàì óêàçàíû åäèíîâåðöû. Êñòàòè òîò ÷åëîâåê, ÷òî ìíå ñìîòðåë çàïèñü ðîäíûì, ñêàçàë, ÷òî íå ïîìíèò, ÷òîá áûëè óêàçàíû åäèíîâåðöû âîîáùå â êíèãå. Ìîæåò åäèíîâåðöåâ â äàííîì õðàìå ïðîñòî íå îòìå÷àëè êàê ñàìî ñîáîé ðàçóìååùååñÿ? ß çàïóòàëñÿ åù¸ áîëüøå! --- Êîëÿêà (Çîëîòîíîøñêèé ó.), ×óïðèíà (Åëèñàâåòãðàäñêèé ó.), Ëàïòåâ (Êîíèí), Âåðåùó(à)ãèí, Êàëìûêîâ, Êóðíîñîâ, (Ìåëåíêîâñêèé ó.), Ðàòíèêîâ (Ñóäîãîäñêèé ó.), Àðáóçîâ(Ïîïîâ) (Êàñèìîâñêèé ó.) | | |
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22 íîÿáðÿ 2017 0:12 iskanderrr79 íàïèñàë: [q] Ñìîòðåë âûëîæåííóþ â èíåòå ÌÊ åäèíîâåð÷åñêîé öåðêâè, òàì óêàçàíû åäèíîâåðöû. [/q]
Ýòî ðåäêîñòü, íî â îòäåëüíûå ãîäû òàêîå ìîæåò áûòü. | | |
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22 íîÿáðÿ 2017 3:02 [q] Ýòî íîðìàëüíî, åäèíîâåðöû òîæå ïðàâîñëàâíûå. ß âîîáùå î÷åíü ðåäêî, èçó÷èâ ìåòðèêè ïî âñåì ïåòåðáóðãñêèì åäèíîâåð÷åñêèì öåðêâÿì â ïåðèîä ñ 1801 ïî 1917 ãîä, âñòðå÷àë çàïèñü îòëè÷íóþ îò "îáà ïðàâîñëàâíîãî âåðîèñïîâåäàíèÿ"[/q]
Ïîñìîòðåë åù¸ ìíîãî ÌÊ åäèíîâåð÷åñêèõ õðàìîâ. Ìîæåò áûòü ó âàñ áûëî çàïèñàíî "îáà ïðàâîñëàâíîãî âåðîèñïîâåäàíèÿ ïî åäèíîâåðèþ"-âîò òàêèõ çàïèñåé ìíîãî äåéñòâèòåëüíî óâèäåë. Èëè âñ¸ æå íèêàêîãî óïîìèíàíèÿ îá åäèíîâåðèè? [q] Ýòî ðåäêîñòü, íî â îòäåëüíûå ãîäû òàêîå ìîæåò áûòü.[/q]
Äà âðîäå íèêàêàÿ è íå ðåäêîñòü âîâñå. Ñêàæåì ïî Ïåðìñêîé ãóáåðíèè, ÷òî çà 1846-é, ÷òî çà 1918-é-âåçäå "åäèíîâåðöû" ïèøóò èëè "ïðàâîñëàâíûå"-ðàçäåëÿþò. À âîò â öåíòðàëüíîé Ðîññèè êàê ðàç îáðàòèë âíèìàíèå, ÷òî ïèøóò "ïðàâîñëàâíîãî âåðîèñïîâåäàíèÿ" èëè "ïðàâîñëàâíîãî âåðîèñïîâåäàíèÿ ïî åäèíîâåðèþ". Íî ýòî âñ¸ íàâñêèäêó, òî ÷òî â èíåòå óâèäåë. Âñ¸-òàêè ìíå êàæåòñÿ ó ìåíÿ âòîðîé âàðèàíò. Âïðî÷åì, äóìàþ ñêîðî âñ¸ âñòàíåò íà ñâîè ìåñòà è áóäåò ïîíÿòíî, ïðîñòî íåñêîëüêî âñ¸ óñëîæíÿåòñÿ. --- Êîëÿêà (Çîëîòîíîøñêèé ó.), ×óïðèíà (Åëèñàâåòãðàäñêèé ó.), Ëàïòåâ (Êîíèí), Âåðåùó(à)ãèí, Êàëìûêîâ, Êóðíîñîâ, (Ìåëåíêîâñêèé ó.), Ðàòíèêîâ (Ñóäîãîäñêèé ó.), Àðáóçîâ(Ïîïîâ) (Êàñèìîâñêèé ó.) | | |
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22 íîÿáðÿ 2017 10:17 iskanderrr79 íàïèñàë: [q] Èëè âñ¸ æå íèêàêîãî óïîìèíàíèÿ îá åäèíîâåðèè?[/q]
Îáû÷íî íèêàêîãî óïîìèíàíèÿ îá åäèíîâåðèè íåò íè ó êîãî.  Ïåòåðáóðãå áûëî òàê. | | |
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2 äåêàáðÿ 2017 9:11 anto íàïèñàë: [q] Ýòî ðåäêîñòü, íî â îòäåëüíûå ãîäû òàêîå ìîæåò áûòü.[/q]
Óëûáíóëî. | | |
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30 äåêàáðÿ 2017 9:49 Èëüèí Â.Í. Àäìèíèñòðàòèâíî-ñèëîâûå ìåòîäû ïðè÷èñëåíèÿ ñòàðîîáðÿäöåâ ê åäèíîâåðèþ â Òîìñêîé ãóáåðíèè // Èçâåñòèÿ Àëòàéñêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà. 2017. ¹ 5 (97). Ñ. 58-62. Àëòàéñêèé ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé óíèâåðñèòåò (Áàðíàóë, Ðîññèÿ) ÀÍÍÎÒÀÖÈß: Èñïîëüçóÿ àðõèâíûå èñòî÷íèêè, àâòîð ðàññìàòðèâàåò àêòóàëüíóþ ïðîáëåìó óñëîâèé ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèÿ åäèíîâåðèÿ è, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, óñëîâèé ïåðåõîäà â íåãî ñòàðîâåðîâ. Åäèíîâåð÷åñêàÿ öåðêîâü áûëà îäíèì èç ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûõ ñïîñîáîâ áîðüáû ãîñóäàðñòâåííîé âëàñòè è îôèöèàëüíîé ïðàâîñëàâíîé öåðêâè ñ «ðàçâèâàþùèìñÿ ðàñêîëîì».  XIX â. íà òåððèòîðèè Òîìñêîé ãóáåðíèè óäàëîñü ñîçäàòü 13 åäèíîâåð÷åñêèõ öåðêâåé. Îäíàêî çà÷èñëåíèå ñòàðîîáðÿäöåâ â åäèíîâåð÷åñêóþ öåðêîâü ÷àñòî ïðîèñõîäèëî íàñèëüñòâåííî. Òàêæå íàñèëüñòâåííûì áûëî è óäåðæàíèå â íåé. Àêòèâíîå èñïîëüçîâàíèå àäìèíèñòðàòèâíî-ïîëèöåéñêîãî àïïàðàòà ïîçâîëÿëî ìåñòíûì ÷èíîâíèêàì è ñëóæèòåëÿì ñèíîäàëüíîé öåðêâè áûñòðî ñôîðìèðîâàòü åäèíîâåð÷åñêèé ïðèõîä, äîáèòüñÿ ñëóæåáíîãî ïðèçíàíèÿ, ïî÷åòíûõ íàãðàä è ãîñóäàðñòâåííîé äåíåæíîé ïðåìèè. Åäèíîâåð÷åñêàÿ öåðêîâü äîëæíà áûëà ñóùåñòâîâàòü â ÷óæäîé äëÿ íåå ñèñòåìå êàçåííîãî ïðàâîñëàâèÿ ñ åå «ïðîòèâîðàñêîëüíè÷åñêîé» ïàðàäèãìîé. Åäèíîâåðöû áûëè îãðàíè÷åíû â ñâîèõ ïðàâàõ. Îíè òÿãîòèëèñü ñâîèì äâîéñòâåííûì ñòàòóñîì: è íå íèêîíèàíå, è íå ñòàðîîáðÿäöû. Ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, åäèíîâåðèå, âîïðåêè îæèäàíèÿì âëàñòåé, íå ïîëó÷èëî áîëüøîãî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèÿ. Íà áåçóñëîâíûõ ïðàâàõ â åäèíîâåðèå âñòóïèëà ëèøü íåçíà÷èòåëüíàÿ ÷àñòü ñòàðîîáðÿäöåâ. Using archival sources, the author examines the urgent problem of the spread of common belief and, accordingly, the transition conditions of the Old Believers in it. Common Faith Church was one of the most common methods of struggle of the government and the official Orthodox Church with "developing a split." In the 19th century the Tomsk province was able to create 13 Churches of Common Faith. However, the conversion of the Old Believers in the Church of Common Faith as well as keeping people there often wore a voluntative character. Active use of administrative and police apparatus allowed local officials and clergy of the Synod of the Church to quickly form the Parish of Common Faith, to achieve official recognition, honors and state cash prize. Common Faith Church was supposed to exist in the alien to it official Orthodoxy system with its anti-split” paradigm. The Common Believers were severely restricted in their rights. They resented their dual status: they were neither nikonians, nor Old Believers. Accordingly, the Common Faith did not receive the expected wide- scaled spread. On unconditional rights only a small part of the Old Believers accepted the Common Faith. https://elibrary.ru/item.asp?id=30716092
Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë (Ñîäåðæàíèå 5.pdf, 333042 áàéò) | | |
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