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16 íîÿáðÿ 2003 12:30 [q] Ôèíëÿíäèÿ (ôèí. Suomi, øâåä. Finland, ïðîèçíîøåíèå íà îáîèõ ÿçûêàõ (èíô.); îôèöèàëüíî — Ôèíëÿ́íäñêàÿ Ðåñïó́áëèêà, ôèí. Suomen tasavalta, øâåä. Republiken Finland[5]) — ãîñóäàðñòâî â Ñåâåðíîé Åâðîïå íà âîñòî÷íîì ïîáåðåæüå Áàëòèéñêîãî ìîðÿ. Íà âîñòîêå ãðàíè÷èò ñ Ðîññèåé è âõîäÿùåé â å¸ ñîñòàâ ðåñïóáëèêîé Êàðåëèåé, íà ñåâåðå ñ Íîðâåãèåé è íà çàïàäå ñî Øâåöèåé. Íà þãå áëèæàéøèì ñîñåäîì ÿâëÿåòñÿ Ýñòîíèÿ ê þãó îò Ôèíñêîãî çàëèâà. Ñòîëèöà è êðóïíåéøèé ãîðîä Ôèíëÿíäèè — Õåëüñèíêè.
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3 àïðåëÿ 2017 19:41 3 àïðåëÿ 2017 19:42 http://slakthistoria.se/artikl...tforskningThe government wants to remove the fee for genealogy. The government wants to genealogists and others to have access to the National Archives digital archive without having to pay. In mid-May, the National Archives report the consequences of such a reform to the Minister of Culture Alice Bah Kuhnke. Ïðàâèòåëüñòâî õî÷åò ñíÿòü ïëàòó çà ãåíåàëîãèþ. Ïðàâèòåëüñòâî õî÷åò, ÷òîáû ãåíåàëîãè è äðóãèå ëèöà èìåëè äîñòóï ê öèôðîâîìó àðõèâó Íàöèîíàëüíûõ àðõèâîâ áåç íåîáõîäèìîñòè ïëàòèòü.  ñåðåäèíå ìàÿ Íàöèîíàëüíûå àðõèâû ñîîáùàþò î ïîñëåäñòâèÿõ òàêîé ðåôîðìû ìèíèñòðó êóëüòóðû Àëèñå Áàõ Êóíêå. I hope it will happen! ß íàäåþñü, ÷òî ýòî ïðîèçîéäåò!  ---
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5 àïðåëÿ 2017 23:35 5 àïðåëÿ 2017 23:41 Now I have something to tell.
I have sent this before, the children of Paavo and Helena:
Painilainen Antti, 21.01.1908
Painilainen Aina, 01.09.1910
Painilainen Juho, 02.08.1914
Painilainen Arvi, 05.01.1920
Antti Painilainen had gone to Russia. One Finn had seen him alive on the Russia side of the border shortly after that.
Arvi Painilainen had gone to Russia because he wanted to find one of his friend who went first there. Nobody has seen Arvi after that.
Aili Painilainen is sister of Arvi. She is not in the list above. So she was born after Arvi. She had gone to Russia side of border for adventure with a friend when they were 16-18 years old. (Her brothers Arvi and Antti were in Russia already that time.) The girls were arrested immediately and they were sent to prison to St Petersburg. Tens of years later one Finn had met her in Kivennapa and talked with her. Aili told that she had been first in prison, then Novgorod, then Viena Kemi and then back to Kivennapa 1955, Zvelodubov. Aili had got two boys. The Finn said that another was in Kivennapa with Aili. Aili has dead in Kivennapa and probably buried in there. (Quite a story ... When Aili finally made it back to Kivennapa, it was no longer in Finland, but in Russia.)
I will send more information if I get. I am waiting for few reply if there is more relatives or not.
But if this is the right Arvi, it seems that you need to look for relatives from Russia.
Òåïåðü ìíå åñòü, ÷òî ñêàçàòü.
ß ïîñûëàë ýòî ðàíüøå, äåòè Ïààâî è Helena:
Painilainen Antti, 21.01.1908
Painilainen Aina, 01.09.1910
Painilainen Juho, 02.08.1914
Painilainen Arvi, 05.01.1920
Antti Painilainen óåõàë â Ðîññèþ. Îäèí ôèíí âèäåë åãî æèâûì íà ðîññèéñêîé ñòîðîíå ãðàíèöû âñêîðå ïîñëå ýòîãî.
Arvi Painilainen óåõàë â Ðîññèþ, ïîòîìó ÷òî õîòåë íàéòè ñâîåãî äðóãà, êîòîðûé ïåðâûì ïîøåë òóäà. Ïîñëå ýòîãî íèêòî íå âèäåë Àðâè.
Aili Painilainen - ñåñòðà Àðâè. Åå íåò â ñïèñêå âûøå. Èòàê, îíà ðîäèëàñü ïîñëå Àðâè. Îíà óåõàëà â Ðîññèþ íà ãðàíèöó äëÿ ïðèêëþ÷åíèÿ ñ äðóãîì, êîãäà èì áûëî 16-18 ëåò. (Åå áðàòüÿ Àðâè è Àíòòè óæå áûëè â Ðîññèè.) Äåâóøåê ñðàçó æå àðåñòîâàëè, è èõ îòïðàâèëè â òþðüìó â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã. Äåñÿòêè ëåò ñïóñòÿ îäèí ôèíí âñòðåòèë åå â Êèâåííàïå è ïîãîâîðèë ñ íåé. Àéëè ðàññêàçàëà, ÷òî áûëà ïåðâîé â òþðüìå, çàòåì â Íîâãîðîäå, çàòåì â Âüåíà Êåìè, à çàòåì îáðàòíî â Êèâåííàïó 1955 ãîäà, Çâåëîäóáîâ. Ó Ýéëè áûëî äâà ìàëü÷èêà. Ôèíí ñêàçàë, ÷òî äðóãîé áûë â Êèâåííàïå ñ Àéëè. Àéëè óìåðëà â Êèâåííàïå è, âåðîÿòíî, ïîõîðîíåíà òàì. (Äîâîëüíî èñòîðèÿ ... Êîãäà Àéëè íàêîíåö âåðíóëàñü â Êèâåííàïó, åå óæå íå áûëî â Ôèíëÿíäèè, à â Ðîññèè).
ß ïîøëþ äîïîëíèòåëüíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ, åñëè ïîëó÷ó. ß æäó íåñêîëüêèõ îòâåòîâ, åñëè åñòü áîëüøå ðîäñòâåííèêîâ èëè íåò.
Íî åñëè ýòî ïðàâèëüíûé Àðâè, êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî âàì íóæíî èñêàòü ðîäñòâåííèêîâ èç Ðîññèè. ---
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7 àïðåëÿ 2017 17:58 Ñïàñèáî! Ïîõîæå, ÷òî ïðàâèëüíûé Àðâè... Òîãäà âñåõ ôèííîâ, ïåðåøåäøèõ ãðàíèöó, ñàäèëè â òþðüìó àâòîìàòè÷åñêè, (ïðèìåðíî ñ 1935-36 ã.ã.). Êàê-áû, çà øïèîíñêóþ äåÿòåëüíîñòü.  Òîãäà-æå, íà÷àëèñü ðåïðåññèè è â Êàðåëî-Ôèíñêîé àâòîíîìíîé îáëàñòè. Ñòàëè çàïðåùàòü èçó÷åíèå ôèíñêîãî ÿçûêà, à ïîòîì è âîâñå, íà÷àëè ìàññîâî âûñåëÿòü ëþäåé â ñòîðîíó Âîëîãîäñêîé îáëàñòè. ---
Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà). | | |
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8 àïðåëÿ 2017 11:00 8 àïðåëÿ 2017 11:02 At least Aili survived from persecution. She lived in Kivennapa and she had two boys. You may find close relatives in Russia. Aili lived farm called Zvelodubov. (I don't know how to write it right.) It was on the beach Suulajärvi lake. You can see Suulajärvi on the left side of the map. http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?page_id=168Maybe Antti survived also and got family also. I don't know. I cannot search in Russia. I don't know how to do that. I try still to search Juho and Aina in Finland (and if there is more siblings). Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå Àéëè ïåðåæèëà ãîíåíèÿ. Îíà æèëà â Êèâåííàïå, ó íåå áûëî äâà ìàëü÷èêà. Âû ìîæåòå íàéòè áëèçêèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ â Ðîññèè.  Àéëè æèëà ôåðìà Çâåëîäóáîâ. (ß íå çíàþ, êàê ïðàâèëüíî íàïèñàòü.) Ýòî áûëî íà ïëÿæå Ñóëàéÿðâè. Âû ìîæåòå óâèäåòü Suulajärvi â ëåâîé ÷àñòè êàðòû. Http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?page_id=168Ìîæåò áûòü, Àíòòè âûæèë è òîæå ïîëó÷èë ñåìüþ. ß íå çíàþ. ß íå ìîãó èñêàòü â Ðîññèè. ß íå çíàþ, êàê ýòî ñäåëàòü. ß ñòàðàþñü âñå åùå èñêàòü Þõî è Àéíó â Ôèíëÿíäèè (è åñëè åñòü áîëüøå áðàòüåâ è ñåñòåð). ---
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8 àïðåëÿ 2017 17:34 Äîáðûé äåíü! Äà, ÿ óæå ñìîòðåë ýòîò ðàéîí ïî êàðòå. Íàçûâàåòñÿ ïîñåëîê Öâåëîäóáîâî, â Ëåíèíãðàäñêîé îáëàñòè. Íà áåðåãó ñîâðåìåííîãî îçåðà Íàõèìîâà. http://mapbase.ru/Ëåíèíãðàäñêà...âåëîäóáîâî Òàê-æå, ïî Âàøåé êàðòå ïîñìîòðåë, ãäå ðàíåå íàõîäèëàñü äåðåâíÿ Õàðòîíåí. Îíà áûëà ïðèìåðíî â 8-10 êèëîìåòðîâ îò ãðàíèöû ÑÑÑÐ. Ýòî (ìàëîå ðàññòîÿíèå) è ìîãëî ñïðîâîöèðîâàòü, äåòåé Ïàâî, íà òàêèå äóðàöêèå ïîñòóïêè, êàê ïåðåõîä ãðàíèöû... Íå ìàëî âàæíóþ ðîëü, ìîãëè ñûãðàòü è îïðåäåë¸ííûå ñîâåòñêèå àãèòêè (àãèòàöèÿ), òîãî âðåìåíè, ñî ñòîðîíû ñîâåòñêîé âëàñòè. "ß äðóãîé òàêîé ñòðàíû íå çíàþ, ãäå òàê âîëüíî äûøèò ÷åëîâåê". Ïåñíÿ èç ñîâåòñêîãî êèíî ôèëüìà òîãî âðåìåíè... Òîëüêî íå ïîíèìàþ, êàê ðîäèòåëè ìîãëè òàê ïðîñòî îòïóñòèòü äåòåé, êîãäà ïåðâûé íå âåðíóëñÿ è íå áûëî îò íåãî âåñòåé? Êîíå÷íî, ÿ ñëûøàë èñòîðèþ î òîì, ÷òî äåä Àðâè ïîø¸ë èñêàòü ïðîïàâøóþ êîðîâó è ñëó÷àéíî ïåðåø¸ë ãðàíèöó. Ïðî äðóãà, ÿ óñëûøàë èç âàøåãî ðàññêàçà âïåðâûå... È äî ñèõ ïîð, íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü, çà÷åì ìëàäøàÿ ñåñòðà ïîøëà òóäà-æå, îòêóäà íå âåðíóëèñü å¸ áðàòüÿ???  Ôèíëÿíäèè òîãî âðåìåíè êà÷åñòâî æèçíè áûëî íà ïîðÿäîê âûøå, ÷åì â ÑÑÑÐ... Äåä äàæå â ñâîåé ñòàðîñòè, (1979 - 1989 ãîäû), âñïîìèíàë ïðî âêóñíóþ ôèíñêóþ êîëáàñó, ñêîëüêî ñîðòîâ å¸ áûëî íà åãî ðîäèíå, è äðóãèå ïðîäóêòû, êîòîðûõ íå áûëî âî ìíîãèõ îáëàñòÿõ ÑÑÑÐ, â äîñòàòêå â òî âðåìÿ.  Âîëîäå äàæå êîï÷¸íîé êîëáàñû äî 90-õ ãîäîâ, íå áûëî â ïðîäàæå. Çà íåé íàäî áûëî åõàòü â Ìîñêâó, ëèáî â Ëåíèíãðàä... Íå ïîíèìàþ èõ ïîñòóïêîâ, èç ëó÷øåãî èäòè â õóäøåå. ---
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9 àïðåëÿ 2017 11:35 Aili and her friend were looking for adventure. They went over the border and get arrested. It was not aim to go to Russia but it was too late when they were arrested.
I got one picture from a book. It is Hilkka (the friend of Aili) and her sons. Hilkka moved back to Finland 1995 and her children moved back to Finland later. Hilkka died 2004. I try to search her children also but I don't find. Hilkka is not your relative but maybe her children can tell you something about Aili.
The text which is below the picture is the same story what I have told you. I cannot put the picture here. It is not working. I don't know the reason. I will try to solve the problem.
Aili è åå ïîäðóãà èñêàëè ïðèêëþ÷åíèé. Îíè ïåðåøëè ãðàíèöó è àðåñòîâàíû. Öåëü íå áûëà â Ðîññèè, íî áûëî ïîçäíî, êîãäà îíè áûëè àðåñòîâàíû.
Ó ìåíÿ åñòü îäíà ôîòîãðàôèÿ èç êíèãè. Ýòî Hilkka (äðóã Aili) è åå ñûíîâüÿ. Hilkka âåðíóëàñü â Ôèíëÿíäèþ â 1995 ãîäó, à åå äåòè ïîçæå âåðíóëèñü â Ôèíëÿíäèþ. Hilkka óìåðëà â 2004 ãîäó. ß òîæå ïûòàþñü îáûñêàòü åå äåòåé, íî íå íàõîæó. Hilkka íå òâîé ðîäñòâåííèê, íî, âîçìîæíî, åå äåòè ìîãóò ðàññêàçàòü òåáå êîå-÷òî îá Àéëè.
Òåêñò, êîòîðûé íàõîäèòñÿ íèæå ðèñóíêà, - ýòî òà æå ñàìàÿ èñòîðèÿ, ÷òî ÿ ñêàçàë âàì. ß íå ìîãó ïîñòàâèòü ôîòîãðàôèþ çäåñü. Ýòî íå ðàáîòàåò. ß íå çíàþ ïðè÷èíó. ß ïîñòàðàþñü ðåøèòü ïðîáëåìó.
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9 àïðåëÿ 2017 11:36 11 àïðåëÿ 2017 18:20 arcobaleno - ñïàñèáî çà ññûëêó. Äà, ÿ ñëûøàë îò áàáóøêèíîé ñåñòðû, ÷òî êàê-òî, äåä Àðâè ðàññêàçûâàë åé, ÷òî ïîäâåðãñÿ âëèÿíèþ êîììóíèñòè÷åñêèõ âçãëÿäîâ íà ðîäèíå â Ôèíëÿíäèè. È ÷òî âåðèë, ÷òî â Ñîâåòñêîì Ñîþçå, âñåõ ëþäåé æä¸ò ñâåòëîå áóäóùåå...   Ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî â ýòèõ äåëàõ, ðå÷ü èä¸ò î êàêèõ-òî äàëüíèõ ðîäñòâåííèêàõ äåäà. Âèäèìî â ïðèãðàíè÷íîé òåððèòîðèè Ôèíëÿíäèè, áûëè î÷åíü ðàçâèòû ïîäïîëüíûå êðóæêè ïðî êîììóíèñòè÷åñêîãî íàïðàâëåíèÿ... Îñîáåííî âëèÿþùèå íà óì ìîëîä¸æè.  Íî òîëüêî ÿ íå ïîéìó è òîâ. Ñòàëèíà ñ åãî êîìàíäîé. Çà÷åì àãèòèðîâàòü ëþäåé íà ñîïðåäåëüíûõ òåððèòîðèÿõ, (îíè ïîâåðèëè â ñîâåòñêèå èäåàëû, â ýòî âëîæåíû îïðåäåë¸ííûå óñèëèÿ è äåíåæíûå ñðåäñòâà), ÷òî-áû èõ òóò-æå ðåïðåññèðîâàòü? Ýòî ïîëíàÿ äóðü, è íåïîíÿòêà... Åñëè "òû", ñîáðàëñÿ âîåâàòü ñ ýòèì ãîñóäàðñòâîì, (îòêóäà ê òåáå ïðèø¸ë íàðîä), òî âûãîäíî ñ ýòèìè ãðàæäàíàìè âåñòè íîðìàëüíîå îáùåíèå íà áóäóùåå. (Ê ïðèìåðó, òàê ïîñòóïàëè íåìöû íà îêêóïèðîâàííûõ òåððèòîðèÿõ, îíè íàîáîðîò, âñÿ÷åñêè ïîääåðæèâàëè ëþäåé ïîâåðèâøèõ â Ôþðåðà). Çà÷åì èõ âñåõ ïîãîëîâíî, òóò-æå ñàäèòü â òþðüìó? Íà áîëüøèå ñðîêè, ê òîìó-æå, íåñîâåðøåííîëåòíèõ. À ïîñëå ýòîãî âûñûëàòü â ññûëêó? Ëîãèêè ñîâñåì íåò. ---
Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà). | | |
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Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî îòäåëüíûì íàñåëåííûì ìåñòàì è ñâîèì ëè÷íûì ïîèñêàì îòêðûâàéòå òåìû â ôàìèëüíûõ èëè äíåâíèêîâûõ ðàçäåëàõ. Ñïèñêè íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò ïî ñòðàíàì îãðîìíû è æåëàþùèõ îòêðûòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òåìû ìíîãî. Äîïóñêàåòñÿ ðàçáèâêà â ðàçäåëå ïî ðåãèîíàì, ãîðîäàì, êîììóíàì. Ïðîñüáà - ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîé ñõåìû.