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| I know that you are waiting for my answer. I just want to tell you that I have not forgot to answer but I don't have results yet. I wrote to one man - who gave me a new name - I wrote to him - and he gave me a new name and... I think you will understand?  , . , , . - - - ... , ? ---
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3 2017 19:41 3 2017 19:42 http://slakthistoria.se/artikl...tforskningThe government wants to remove the fee for genealogy. The government wants to genealogists and others to have access to the National Archives digital archive without having to pay. In mid-May, the National Archives report the consequences of such a reform to the Minister of Culture Alice Bah Kuhnke. . , . . I hope it will happen! , !  ---
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5 2017 23:35 5 2017 23:41 Now I have something to tell.
I have sent this before, the children of Paavo and Helena:
Painilainen Antti, 21.01.1908
Painilainen Aina, 01.09.1910
Painilainen Juho, 02.08.1914
Painilainen Arvi, 05.01.1920
Antti Painilainen had gone to Russia. One Finn had seen him alive on the Russia side of the border shortly after that.
Arvi Painilainen had gone to Russia because he wanted to find one of his friend who went first there. Nobody has seen Arvi after that.
Aili Painilainen is sister of Arvi. She is not in the list above. So she was born after Arvi. She had gone to Russia side of border for adventure with a friend when they were 16-18 years old. (Her brothers Arvi and Antti were in Russia already that time.) The girls were arrested immediately and they were sent to prison to St Petersburg. Tens of years later one Finn had met her in Kivennapa and talked with her. Aili told that she had been first in prison, then Novgorod, then Viena Kemi and then back to Kivennapa 1955, Zvelodubov. Aili had got two boys. The Finn said that another was in Kivennapa with Aili. Aili has dead in Kivennapa and probably buried in there. (Quite a story ... When Aili finally made it back to Kivennapa, it was no longer in Finland, but in Russia.)
I will send more information if I get. I am waiting for few reply if there is more relatives or not.
But if this is the right Arvi, it seems that you need to look for relatives from Russia.
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Painilainen Antti, 21.01.1908
Painilainen Aina, 01.09.1910
Painilainen Juho, 02.08.1914
Painilainen Arvi, 05.01.1920
Antti Painilainen . .
Arvi Painilainen , , . .
Aili Painilainen - . . , . , 16-18 . ( .) , -. . , , , , 1955 , . . , . , , . ( ... , , ).
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6 2017 15:45 6 2017 16:08 winter37 , . Christina Elisabeth Hjelman. , Paavo Tapio Vuorialho "" Anwaldosdotter, .. Christina Elisabeth Johan Fredrik Hjelman Maria Krook. , . , , . https://forum.vgd.ru/post/323/25443/p518857.htm#pp518857 2 . , Johann Friedrich Berg Carl Berg Maria Margaretha Schulntz . Orvokki. . Kyllä. Puhumme perhettä. kiitos | | |
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8 2017 11:00 8 2017 11:02 At least Aili survived from persecution. She lived in Kivennapa and she had two boys. You may find close relatives in Russia. Aili lived farm called Zvelodubov. (I don't know how to write it right.) It was on the beach Suulajärvi lake. You can see Suulajärvi on the left side of the map. http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?page_id=168Maybe Antti survived also and got family also. I don't know. I cannot search in Russia. I don't know how to do that. I try still to search Juho and Aina in Finland (and if there is more siblings). . , . . . ( , .) . Suulajärvi . Http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?page_id=168 , . . . , . ( ). ---
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