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Ôèíëÿíäèÿ (ôèí. Suomi, øâåä. Finland, ïðîèçíîøåíèå íà îáîèõ ÿçûêàõ (èíô.); îôèöèàëüíî — Ôèíëÿ́íäñêàÿ Ðåñïó́áëèêà, ôèí. Suomen tasavalta, øâåä. Republiken Finland[5]) — ãîñóäàðñòâî â Ñåâåðíîé Åâðîïå íà âîñòî÷íîì ïîáåðåæüå Áàëòèéñêîãî ìîðÿ. Íà âîñòîêå ãðàíè÷èò ñ Ðîññèåé è âõîäÿùåé â å¸ ñîñòàâ ðåñïóáëèêîé Êàðåëèåé, íà ñåâåðå ñ Íîðâåãèåé è íà çàïàäå ñî Øâåöèåé. Íà þãå áëèæàéøèì ñîñåäîì ÿâëÿåòñÿ Ýñòîíèÿ ê þãó îò Ôèíñêîãî çàëèâà. Ñòîëèöà è êðóïíåéøèé ãîðîä Ôèíëÿíäèè — Õåëüñèíêè.
Âèêèïåäèß
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alyra- Àëëà, ñïàñèáî çà ðàçúÿñíåíèå, íî ÿ ïî÷òè âñ¸ ïîíèìàþ... Èíà÷å, íå ðàáîòàë-áû êàæäûé äåíü ñ ãðàæäàíàìè è äîêóìåíòàìè â íîòàðèàëüíîé êîíòîðå. Ïðîñòî, ÿ ðàáîòàþ ñ ðåàëüíûìè ñâèäåòåëüñòâàìè, (î ðîæäåíèè, î áðàêå, î ñìåðòè è ò. ä.). Ñ öåðêîâíûìè äîêóìåíòàìè ÿ íå ðàáîòàþ, òàê, êàê èõ â ãîñóäàðñòâåííîì õîæäåíèè ïî ÐÔ íåò. Òàê-æå, íå çíàþ âíóòðåííåãî çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâà Ôèíëÿíäèè.
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alyra íàïèñàë:
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Òåïåðü ìîæíî ñâîáîäíî èñïîëüçîâàòü íàöèîíàëüíûé àðõèâ Øâåöèè îíëàéí. www.slakthistoria.se
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Âîîáùå-òî ýòî ñàéò êàêîãî-òî æóðíàëà, èìåþùåãî ê íàöèîíàëüíîìó àðõèâó êðàéíå îïîñðåäîâàííîå îòíîøåíèå, íå ?
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Òåïåðü ìîæíî ñâîáîäíî èñïîëüçîâàòü íàöèîíàëüíûé àðõèâ Øâåöèè îíëàéí
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Ìîæåò, ÿ ÷åãî-òî íå ïîíèìàþ, íî íà ñàéòå øâåäñêîãî àðõèâà ïî-ïðåæíåìó ïðåäëàãàþò çàïëàòèòü äåíåæêó...
https://www.arkivdigital.se/
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ÁÎÐÄÈÊÎÂÛ (ÁÎÐÄÞÃÎÂÛ) - Âîðîíåæñêàÿ ãóá
ÔÅÄÎÐÎÂÛ (ÁÎËÜØÀÊÎÂÛ) - Ïñêîâñê.ó., ä.Çàãîðüå
ËÀÊÌÀÍ, ÂÀËÈÓÑ, ËÈÑÒÅÍÈÓÑ, ÒÎËÈÀÍÄÅÐ, ÂÅÍÄÀËÈÓÑ, ÁÓËÈÕ - Ôèíëÿíäèÿ
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arcobaleno íàïèñàë:
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íî íà ñàéòå øâåäñêîãî àðõèâà ïî-ïðåæíåìó ïðåäëàãàþò çàïëàòèòü äåíåæêó...https://www.arkivdigital.se
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Ýòî êàêàÿ-òî ÷àñòíàÿ êîìïàíèÿ. Íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê Ãîñàðõèâó Øâåöèè íå èìååò.



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Òåïåðü ìîæíî ñâîáîäíî èñïîëüçîâàòü íàöèîíàëüíûé àðõèâ Øâåöèè îíëàéí. www.slakthistoria.se
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...ýòî ñàéò êàêîãî-òî æóðíàëà, èìåþùåãî ê íàöèîíàëüíîìó àðõèâó êðàéíå îïîñðåäîâàííîå îòíîøåíèå, íå ? - Ñîâåðøåííî òî÷íî. Æóðíàë ïðîäàþùèéñÿ â êèîñêàõ, èçäàåòñÿ íåçàâèñèìûìè ÷àñòíûìè ïðåäïðèíèìàòåëÿìè.

Âîò ñàéò Ãîñàðõèâà Øâåöèè
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alyra
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alyra

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Âû âñå ïðàâû slakthistoria ýòî æóðíàë.Íî âñå ìîæíî ïîëó÷èòü ìíîãî èíôîðìàöèè òåïåðü áåñïëàòíî èëè äåøåâëå. Ýòî øâåäñêèé æóðíàë ãåíåàëîãèè -èñòîðèÿ ñåìüè. Òàì ñòàòüè è ñòàðûå ôîòî ñî Øâåöèè. Âñå ýòî ñâÿçàíî è ñ àðõèâàìè. Òàêèå æóðíàëû åñòü â êàæäîé ñòðàíå â ïîìîùü ãåíåàëîãèè.
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èùó Õàéêàðà Ìåõèëÿéíåí Õàéìè Ðîíêîíåí Ïóêêè Õÿííèêÿéíåí
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 31
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I know that you are waiting for my answer. I just want to tell you that I have not forgot to answer but I don't have results yet. I wrote to one man - who gave me a new name - I wrote to him - and he gave me a new name and... I think you will understand? 101.gif

ß çíàþ, ÷òî âû æäåòå ìîåãî îòâåòà. ß ïðîñòî õî÷ó ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ÿ íå çàáûë îòâåòèòü, íî ó ìåíÿ ïîêà íåò ðåçóëüòàòîâ. ß íàïèñàë îäíîìó ÷åëîâåêó - êîòîðûé äàë ìíå íîâîå èìÿ - ÿ íàïèñàë åìó - è îí äàë ìíå íîâîå èìÿ è ... ß äóìàþ, âû ïîéìåòå? 101.gif
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Ñïàñèáî. Ïîíèìàþ, ïðîöåññ íå áûñòðûé. Ñêîëüêî ëåò óæå ïðîøëî. Íî åñòü è íåêîòîðûé ïëþñ â ýòîì äåëå, Ôèíëÿíäèÿ íå Ðîññèÿ, ãîðàçäî ìåíüøå è ïî òåððèòîðèè è ïî êîëè÷åñòâó ïðîæèâàþùèõ ëþäåé. Âñ¸ äîñòàòî÷íî êîìïàêòíî. Àðõèâû íå êòî íå óíè÷òîæàë, êàê â Ðîññèè ïîñëå ðåâîëþöèè. Åñëè ÿ íå îøèáàþñü, òî â Ôèíëÿíäèè âñåãî ïðîæèâàåò îò 5 äî 6 ìèëëèîíîâ ãðàæäàí. À ÷åëîâåê, íå èãîëêà â ñòîãå ñåíà.)))) 101.gif
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà).
Orvokki
Íà÷èíàþùèé

Ñîîáùåíèé: 31
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 24
http://slakthistoria.se/artikl...tforskning

The government wants to remove the fee for genealogy.
The government wants to genealogists and others to have access to the National Archives digital archive without having to pay. In mid-May, the National Archives report the consequences of such a reform to the Minister of Culture Alice Bah Kuhnke.

Ïðàâèòåëüñòâî õî÷åò ñíÿòü ïëàòó çà ãåíåàëîãèþ.
Ïðàâèòåëüñòâî õî÷åò, ÷òîáû ãåíåàëîãè è äðóãèå ëèöà èìåëè äîñòóï ê öèôðîâîìó àðõèâó Íàöèîíàëüíûõ àðõèâîâ áåç íåîáõîäèìîñòè ïëàòèòü.  ñåðåäèíå ìàÿ Íàöèîíàëüíûå àðõèâû ñîîáùàþò î ïîñëåäñòâèÿõ òàêîé ðåôîðìû ìèíèñòðó êóëüòóðû Àëèñå Áàõ Êóíêå.

I hope it will happen!
ß íàäåþñü, ÷òî ýòî ïðîèçîéäåò! yahoo.gif
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Orvokki
Íà÷èíàþùèé

Ñîîáùåíèé: 31
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Ðåéòèíã: 24

winter37 íàïèñàë:
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for Litana
"Yritetään päästä toiseen päähän hänen Johann Fridrihu Bergu.
Puolelta vaimonsa Christina Elisabeth Hjelman (1769-1842)."

Tieto voi olla sinulle ei ole uusi, mutta vain siinä tapauksessa:
Online Genie
https://www.geni.com/people/Ch...5103590306
Christina Anwaldosdotter Elisabeth Berg (Hjelman)

on luettelo Johann (-AM) friedrich Berg
https://www.geni.com/search?se...rich+Berg+
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Is this what You are looking for?
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/ssh...p;pnum=179
Sorry if it is not, but I don't understand so well because google translate....

Ýòî òî, ÷òî âû èùèòå?
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/ssh...p;pnum=179
Èçâèíèòå, åñëè ýòî íå òàê, íî ÿ íå î÷åíü õîðîøî ïîíèìàþ, ïîòîìó ÷òî Google translate ....


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Now I have something to tell.

I have sent this before, the children of Paavo and Helena:
Painilainen Antti, 21.01.1908
Painilainen Aina, 01.09.1910
Painilainen Juho, 02.08.1914
Painilainen Arvi, 05.01.1920

Antti Painilainen had gone to Russia. One Finn had seen him alive on the Russia side of the border shortly after that.

Arvi Painilainen had gone to Russia because he wanted to find one of his friend who went first there. Nobody has seen Arvi after that.

Aili Painilainen is sister of Arvi. She is not in the list above. So she was born after Arvi. She had gone to Russia side of border for adventure with a friend when they were 16-18 years old. (Her brothers Arvi and Antti were in Russia already that time.) The girls were arrested immediately and they were sent to prison to St Petersburg. Tens of years later one Finn had met her in Kivennapa and talked with her. Aili told that she had been first in prison, then Novgorod, then Viena Kemi and then back to Kivennapa 1955, Zvelodubov. Aili had got two boys. The Finn said that another was in Kivennapa with Aili. Aili has dead in Kivennapa and probably buried in there. (Quite a story ... When Aili finally made it back to Kivennapa, it was no longer in Finland, but in Russia.)

I will send more information if I get. I am waiting for few reply if there is more relatives or not.

But if this is the right Arvi, it seems that you need to look for relatives from Russia.

Òåïåðü ìíå åñòü, ÷òî ñêàçàòü.

ß ïîñûëàë ýòî ðàíüøå, äåòè Ïààâî è Helena:
Painilainen Antti, 21.01.1908
Painilainen Aina, 01.09.1910
Painilainen Juho, 02.08.1914
Painilainen Arvi, 05.01.1920

Antti Painilainen óåõàë â Ðîññèþ. Îäèí ôèíí âèäåë åãî æèâûì íà ðîññèéñêîé ñòîðîíå ãðàíèöû âñêîðå ïîñëå ýòîãî.

Arvi Painilainen óåõàë â Ðîññèþ, ïîòîìó ÷òî õîòåë íàéòè ñâîåãî äðóãà, êîòîðûé ïåðâûì ïîøåë òóäà. Ïîñëå ýòîãî íèêòî íå âèäåë Àðâè.

Aili Painilainen - ​​ñåñòðà Àðâè. Åå íåò â ñïèñêå âûøå. Èòàê, îíà ðîäèëàñü ïîñëå Àðâè. Îíà óåõàëà â Ðîññèþ íà ãðàíèöó äëÿ ïðèêëþ÷åíèÿ ñ äðóãîì, êîãäà èì áûëî 16-18 ëåò. (Åå áðàòüÿ Àðâè è Àíòòè óæå áûëè â Ðîññèè.) Äåâóøåê ñðàçó æå àðåñòîâàëè, è èõ îòïðàâèëè â òþðüìó â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã. Äåñÿòêè ëåò ñïóñòÿ îäèí ôèíí âñòðåòèë åå â Êèâåííàïå è ïîãîâîðèë ñ íåé. Àéëè ðàññêàçàëà, ÷òî áûëà ïåðâîé â òþðüìå, çàòåì â Íîâãîðîäå, çàòåì â Âüåíà Êåìè, à çàòåì îáðàòíî â Êèâåííàïó 1955 ãîäà, Çâåëîäóáîâ. Ó Ýéëè áûëî äâà ìàëü÷èêà. Ôèíí ñêàçàë, ÷òî äðóãîé áûë â Êèâåííàïå ñ Àéëè. Àéëè óìåðëà â Êèâåííàïå è, âåðîÿòíî, ïîõîðîíåíà òàì. (Äîâîëüíî èñòîðèÿ ... Êîãäà Àéëè íàêîíåö âåðíóëàñü â Êèâåííàïó, åå óæå íå áûëî â Ôèíëÿíäèè, à â Ðîññèè).

ß ïîøëþ äîïîëíèòåëüíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ, åñëè ïîëó÷ó. ß æäó íåñêîëüêèõ îòâåòîâ, åñëè åñòü áîëüøå ðîäñòâåííèêîâ èëè íåò.

Íî åñëè ýòî ïðàâèëüíûé Àðâè, êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî âàì íóæíî èñêàòü ðîäñòâåííèêîâ èç Ðîññèè.
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