[q] Àðõèâû Ïîëüøè https://archiwa.gov.pl/en/ Ïîëüñêàÿ ñëóæáà ãåíåàëîãèè Èäèòå ïî ññûëêå >>> Ñïðàâî÷íèêè è Àäðåñ-Êàëåíäàðè Êîðîëåâñòâà Ïîëüñêîãî https://book-olds.ru/BookLibra...skogo.html Ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè - http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/ Ýâàêóèðîâàííûå ïîëÿêè 1943-1946 â Íîâîñèáèðñêóþ, Êåìåðîâñêóþ îáëàñòè è â Àëòàéñêèé êðàé. Àðõèâ Àëòàéñêîãî êðàÿ (ÃÀÀÊ) - http://www.archiv.ab.ru/files/inventory/%D0%A0921-1.pdf[/q]
Ïðîñüáà ê ó÷àñòíèêàì, ðàáîòàþùèì â ðàçäåëå - 1. Íå êîïèðîâàòü ìíîãîñòóïåí÷àòûå äèàëîãè ïðè îòâåòå. Îñòàâëÿéòå òîëüêî òó ÷àñòü, íà êîòîðóþ îòâå÷àåòå. 2. Äëÿ áëàãîäàðíîñòè èñïîëüçóéòå òðè âàðèàíòà - * Ðåéòèíã (+/-) * Ëàéê * Îòçûâ â Ïðîôèëå ó÷àñòíèêà çà ñîîáùåíèå 3. Íå ïèøèòå òåêñòû ñîîáùåíèé òîëüêî áîëüøèìè áóêâàìè. 4. Îáðàùàéòå âíèìàíèå íà íàçâàíèÿ òåì è ðàñøèôðîâêó ïîäòåì ïðè êðåïëåíèå ñâîåãî ïîñòà. 5. Ïðåæäå, ÷åì îòêðûòü íîâóþ òåìó, ïðîëèñòàéòå ðàçäåë. Íå íàäî äóáëèðîâàòü óæå îòêðûòûå òåìû. |
Èùåì ïðåäêîâ è ïîòîìêîâ â Ïîëüøå
Âîïðîñû/Îòâåòû
Anna ChuÓ÷àñòíèê  Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 90 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 79 | Ââåðõ #17 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 2:09 17 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 2:11 Çäðàâñòâóéòå! Íà ìåíÿ íà ñàéòå 23andme (ïðî ÄÍÊ àíàëèç) âûøëà äàìà èç Þæíîé Àôðèêè, ñ êîòîðîé ó íàñ íåìíîãî ñîâïàäàåò ÄÍÊ. Åå áàáóøêà ïî ñåìåéíîé ëåíåãäå áûëà ðóññêîé ýìèãðàíòêîé, âûøåäøåé çàìóæ çà àíãëè÷àíèíà â ßïîíèè, ïîòîì ïåðåáðàâøàÿñÿ â øòàòû è óìåðøàÿ òàì â 1926ã â ïîëèöåéñêîì ó÷àñòêå "èç-çà òîãî ÷òî ðóññêàÿ". Âñå, ÷òî èçâåñòíî ïðî åå ðîäîñëîâíóþ íà äàííûé ìîìåíò (ïðèâîæó îðèãèíàëüíûé òåêñò ïðèñëàííûé ìíå, ÷òîáû íå ïåðåâåðàòü èìåíà + âîëüíûé ïåðåâîä êîíòåêñòà): Anna Victor Georgina Siemasz (that is the surname on her marriage certificate to my grandfather) BUT she was married previously, the other husband died. She married in 1913. Her father was Josef Victor. Unfortunately she is a complete mystery. She used many names and we think she may have been a spy or something. She was known as Betsy Smolensky, and she was also known as Ozol, and some other names (not Russian) Nothing is known about where she was born except she once put on a ships manifest in 1921, that she was born in Moscow, Poland. ??????? The story in our family from my father is that she was a Russian princess. This is nonsense of course, but I think she was Russian, as my father remembered many Russian things from his childhood. Anna's father was on her marriage certificate as: Joseph Victor Siemasz, engineer.Àííà Âèêòîð Äæåîðäæèíà Ñåéìàø (ýòî å¸ ôàìèëèÿ â å¸ ñâàäåáíîì ñåðòèôèêàòå ìîåãî îòöà), íî îíà äî ýòîãî óæå áûëà çàìóæåì çà äðóãèì ìóæåì. Îíà âûøëà çàìóæ â 1913ã. Ÿ îòöîì áûë Èîñèô Âèêòîð. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ îíà áûëà î÷åíü çàãàäî÷íîé. Îíà èñïîëüçîâàëà ìíîæåñòâî èìåí è ìû äóìàåì, îíà ìîãëà øïèîíêîé èëè ÷òî-òî òèïà òîãî. Îíà áûëà èçâåñòíà êàê Áýòñè Ñìîëåíñêàÿ, è åùå å¸ çíàëè êàê Îçîë, è íåêîòîðûå äðóãèå èìåíà (íå ðóññêèå). Íè÷åãî íå èçâåñòíî î òîì, ãäå îíà áûëà ðîæäåíà, êðîìå òîãî, ÷òî îíà îäíàæäû áûëà îòìå÷åíà â êîðàáåëüíîì ìàíèôåñòå çà 1921ã, ãäå áûëî ñêàçàíî, ÷òî îíà èç Ìîñêâû, Ïîëüøà.  íàøåé ñåìüå åñòü ëåãåíäà, ÷òî îíà áûëà ðóññêîé ïðèíöåññîé. Ýòî, êîíå÷íî, íîíñåíñ, íî ÿ äóìàþ, ÷òî îíà áûëà ðóññêîé, òàê êàê ìîé îòåö ïîìíèò ìíîãèå ðóññêèå øòóêè èç åãî äåòñòâà. Îòåö Àííû áûë â å¸ ñâàäåáíîì ñåðòèôèêàòå êàê Èîñèô Âèêòîð Ñåéìàø, èíæåíåð.Âíèìàíèå âîïðîñû: ìîæåò óæå êîìó-òî ïîïàäàëàñü ýòà òàèíñòâåííàÿ èñòîðèÿ? ìîæåò êòî-òî çíàåò ïðî ñåìüè ñ äàííûìè ôàìèëèÿìè è æèòåëåé Ìîñêâû â Ïîëüøå?Âèêèïåäèÿ ìíå ïîäñêàçûâàåò, ÷òî òàêîå ìåñòî ñóùåñòâóåò https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ìîñêâà_(Ïîëüøà)åùå åñòü èíôîðìàöèÿ, ÷òî Àííà ìîãëà áûòü/áûâàòü â Ñìîëåíñêå, íî ÿ íè÷åãî ïîäîáíîãî íå íàãóãëèëà. Ìîÿ ñòåïåíü ðîäñòâà ñ âíó÷êîé ýòîé Àííû î÷åíü ìàëà, ÷òîáû îïðåäåëèòü õîòÿ áû ïî êàêîé âåòêå ìû "ñåìüÿ". Ïðè ýòîì ïðî ñâîèõ ïðåäêîâ çíàþ äîâîëüíî ìíîãî, îíè íåñêîëüêî âåêîâ æèëè â Òóëüñêîé è Òàìáîâñêîé ãóáåðíèè, è òîëüêî îäèí ïåðñîíàæ áûë êàíòîíèñòîì è íîñèë ôàìèëèþ Ñîëäàòêèí, è åãî ñåìüÿ ñëàáî ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ, ïîýòîìó åñòü ïðåäïîëîæåíèå, ÷òî îí íàñèëüíî ïåðåâåçåííûé åâðåé â òàìáîâñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ... Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî! --- ×óéêèíû/×óêèíû, Âÿëîâû, Äüÿ÷êîâû, Óõàíîâû, Äóëüíåâû (Òóëüñêàÿ îáë, Áîãîðîäèöêèé óåçä); Òîëìà÷¸âû, Ìèõèíû, Ìàöíåâû, Æóðàâëåâû (Òàìáîâñêàÿ îáë, Êîçëîâñêèé óåçä); Ãóáèíû, Áàéêèíû (Òàìáîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü, Ñïàññêèé óåçä - Ìîðäîâèÿ) | | |
| Wolanskiigor Íîâè÷îê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 2 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 0 | Ââåðõ #17 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 3:11 KubaJj íàïèñàë: [q] Przepraszam,ale bliska osoba Pana rodziny ,rozsiewa fałszywe pogłoski na temat miejsca pobytu Najjaśniejszego Pana.[/q]
Âû ïðè ñâîåì ìíåíèè, ÿ æå ïðè ñâîåì íèêòî ó ìåíÿ â ñåìüå íå âðåò âû ïðîñòî íå çíàéòå èñòîðèþ ìîåé ñåìüè. Îäíàêî ÿ âàñ ïåðåóáåæäàòü íå áóäó... | | |
| Wladzislaw | Ââåðõ #17 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 13:44 Anna Chu íàïèñàë: [q] Anna's father was on her marriage certificate as: Joseph Victor Siemasz, engineer.[/q]
Ôàìèëèÿ â ïîëüñêîì íàïèñàíèè, ÷èòàåòñÿ êàê "Ñåìàø". Ìîæåò áûòü, îáðåçàíî îò "Ñåìàøêî"??  ñåðòèôèêàòå äîëæåí áûë áûòü ãîä ðîæäåíèÿ. Ìîæíî ïîñìîòðåòü ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè Ñìîëåíñêîãî ðèìñê.-êàòîëè÷åñêîãî êîñò¸ëà. --- Ñîáðàíèå Áåëîðóññêîé Øëÿõòû — nobility.by
Èññëåäîâàíèÿ íà çàêàç: Áåëàðóñü (øëÿõòà), Ëèòâà (øëÿõòà), Ëàòâèÿ (øëÿõòà Ëàòãàëèè è Êóðëÿíäèè; êàòîëèêè), Óêðàèíà (øëÿõòà; êàòîëèêè Êèåâùèíû, Âîëûíè, ×åðíèãîâùèíû), Ðîññèÿ (äâîðÿíå; êàòîëèêè).  Ëè÷íûå — òîëüêî çàêàçû. | | |
Anna ChuÓ÷àñòíèê  Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 90 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 79 | Ââåðõ #17 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 22:54 17 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 22:55 ê ñîæàëåíèþ ïðî ãîä ðîæäåíèÿ ïî÷åìó-òî íè÷åãî íå èçâåñòíî. Íî âîò ìíå ïðèñëàëè ôîòîãðàôèþ Àííû ñ å¸ ñûíîâüÿìè, ãîä ñíèìêà òîæå íå èçâåñòåí :(
 --- ×óéêèíû/×óêèíû, Âÿëîâû, Äüÿ÷êîâû, Óõàíîâû, Äóëüíåâû (Òóëüñêàÿ îáë, Áîãîðîäèöêèé óåçä); Òîëìà÷¸âû, Ìèõèíû, Ìàöíåâû, Æóðàâëåâû (Òàìáîâñêàÿ îáë, Êîçëîâñêèé óåçä); Ãóáèíû, Áàéêèíû (Òàìáîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü, Ñïàññêèé óåçä - Ìîðäîâèÿ) | | |
| Wladzislaw | Ââåðõ #18 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 1:30 18 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 1:31 Anna Chu íàïèñàë: [q] ê ñîæàëåíèþ ïðî ãîä ðîæäåíèÿ ïî÷åìó-òî íè÷åãî íå èçâåñòíî.[/q]
Ýòî âñ¸ ïîòîìó, ÷òî ìûñëè âèòàþò. À äëÿ ïîèñêîâ ãåíåàëîãèè íóæíû òî÷íûå ôàêòû. Åñëè ïèøóò îá èìåíè îòöà â ñåðòèôèêàòå, çíà÷èò îíûé ñóùåñòâóåò, à çíà÷èò, òàì äîëæåí áûòü âîçðàñò. Çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëåå ïîëåçíà êîïèè ñåðòèôèêàòîâ î áðàêàõ è êîïèè ìàíèôåñòîâ; åñëè íåò, íóæíî çàïðàøèâàòü. Ñîáðàâ äîêóìåíòû îò ÿïîíñêèõ, áðèòàíñêèõ è àìåðèêàíñêèõ âëàñòåé — ìîæíî çíà÷èòåëüíî ïðîäâèíóòüñÿ â ïîíèìàíèè îò êíÿæîí è øïèîíîâ ê ðåàëüíîñòè  . --- Ñîáðàíèå Áåëîðóññêîé Øëÿõòû — nobility.by
Èññëåäîâàíèÿ íà çàêàç: Áåëàðóñü (øëÿõòà), Ëèòâà (øëÿõòà), Ëàòâèÿ (øëÿõòà Ëàòãàëèè è Êóðëÿíäèè; êàòîëèêè), Óêðàèíà (øëÿõòà; êàòîëèêè Êèåâùèíû, Âîëûíè, ×åðíèãîâùèíû), Ðîññèÿ (äâîðÿíå; êàòîëèêè).  Ëè÷íûå — òîëüêî çàêàçû. | | |
| KubaJj Ó÷àñòíèê
Ãðîäíî Ñîîáùåíèé: 47 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 21 | Ââåðõ #18 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 15:52 18 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 16:01 Anna Chu Åñòü â Óêðàèíå Ôàìèëèÿ Siemasz â ïðèõîäàõ (parafiach): Stanisławów miasto,Skałat,Korolówka,Lwów św. Anton,Sambor
 íàñåëåííûõ ïóíêòàõ Stanisławów,Skowiatyn,Podwołoczyska,Kołodziejówka åñòü ñîáûòèÿ â ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèãàõ ñ ýòîé ôàìèëèåé | | |
| Wladzislaw | Ââåðõ #18 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 19:49 KubaJj íàïèñàë: [q] Åñòü â Óêðàèíå Ôàìèëèÿ Siemasz â ïðèõîäàõ (parafiach): Stanisławów miasto,Skałat,Korolówka,Lwów św. Anton,Sambor[/q]
À ðàçâå ýòî èìååò îòíîøåíèå ê Ðîññèéñêîé Èìïåðèè? Íåçà÷åì ëèøíèìè äàííûìè çàïóòûâàòü. | | |
| KubaJj Ó÷àñòíèê
Ãðîäíî Ñîîáùåíèé: 47 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 21 | Ââåðõ #18 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 20:38 18 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 20:39 Wladzislaw íàïèñàë: [q] [/q]
[q] Anna Chu Íè÷åãî íå èçâåñòíî î òîì, ãäå îíà áûëà ðîæäåíà, êðîìå òîãî, ÷òî îíà îäíàæäû áûëà îòìå÷åíà â êîðàáåëüíîì ìàíèôåñòå çà 1921ã, ãäå áûëî ñêàçàíî, ÷òî îíà èç Ìîñêâû, Ïîëüøà.[/q]
Íè÷åãî íå èçâåñòíî è ãäå îíà âûøëà çàìóæ ? ,ãäå ðîäèëñÿ ìóæ.ýìèãðàíòû ãîâîðèëè Ïîëüøà (Zabór rosyjski) a çàïèñàëè èõ êàê RUSIAN , POLAND èëè Moscow,Poland . | | |
| usenta Íà÷èíàþùèé
Ñîîáùåíèé: 33 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 6 | Ââåðõ #21 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 15:16 Äîáðûé äåíü! Èùó äàííûå ïðî Ñîáèðàé Ïåòðà (Êàçèìèðà) Ëàâðåíòüåâè÷à, ðîæäåíèÿ ïî ðàçíûì ñâåäåíèÿì 1885, 1887 ãîä, õîòåëà áû óçíàòü ïðî åãî ñåìüþ. Áûë âûñëàí èç ñ. Êàùèíöû, Õìåëüíèöêîé îáëàñòè â 1930 ãîäó.
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| usenta Íà÷èíàþùèé
Ñîîáùåíèé: 33 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 6 | Ââåðõ #21 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2018 15:22 Ôîòî ïðàäåäà îòìå÷åíî êðåñòèêîì. Ðîäèëñÿ â Ïîëüøå, Êåëüñêîãî âîåâîäñòâà.
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