ÈÙÓ ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿ ñâîåãî ðîäà
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8 èþíÿ 2020 13:49 ïðàáàáóøêà Ãðèíåâè÷ Âåðà Ôåäîðîâíà | | |
Bibigon×àñòíûé ñïåöèàëèñòÂèííèöà - Êèåâ - Ðåõîâîò - Îäåññà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1542 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1936 | Íàâåðõ ##
8 èþíÿ 2020 13:53 8 èþíÿ 2020 13:53 Viktoria86 íàïèñàë: [q] ïðàáàáóøêà Ãðèíåâè÷ Âåðà Ôåäîðîâíà[/q]
Íè èìÿ íè îò÷åñòâî âàøåé ïðàáàáóøêè ÍÅ ÿâëÿþòñÿ åâðåéñêèìè. Ìîæåò ó íåå áûëè åùå êàêèå-òî äðóãèå èìåíà? --- Ìîé äíåâíèê Ðàáîòàþ â àðõèâàõ Óêðàèíû è Áåëàðóñè. Ðàáîòó íà÷èíàþ ÒÎËÜÊÎ ïîñëå îïëàòû àâàíñà. | | |
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8 èþíÿ 2020 13:57 Èùåò àìåðèêàíåö:
Íàòàí è Ðåáåêêà Øâàáñêèå èç Áîáðèíöà, äåòè: Èñààê, Ñàìóýëü, Àëåêñ (Åëëåê), Ñàðà, Àííà è Ðàõåëü. Èñààê çàïèñàëñÿ ñûíîì ñîñåäà Êðóïíèêà, ÷òîáû èçáåæàòü ïðèçûâà â àðìèþ. Â 1905 ã. ýìèãðèðîâàë â ÑØÀ, êóäà ïîòîì ïåðåñåëèëàñü è âñÿ ñåìüÿ.
Èñààê Øâàáñêèé ðîäèëñÿ 15 îêò. 1882 ã. Åãî îòåö Íàòàí â 1861, ìàòü Áèíà (Ðåáåêêà, Áåê³è - îê. 1863. Åå äåâè÷üÿ ôàìèëèÿ áóëà Ãåðøîâ èëè Ãåðøêîâ, à åå ðîäèòåëè áûëè ßêîá Ãåðøîâ è Áåññè Ðàáèíîâè÷.
my grandfather Isaac Krupnick “borrowed” the name Krupnick from a neighboring family in Bobrynets, Ukraine who had lost a son in the army. My grandfather took the name so that he would not be conscripted for life in the Russian Army. The rule said if a family lost a son, they would not conscript any others. He then emigrated to the U.S. in 1905, worked for 2 years and then sent for his parents and siblings. My great grandparents were Nathan (Natan) and Binah (Bina, Rebecca) Schwabsky, and Isaac’s siblings were Samuel, Alex (Elleck), Sarah, Anna and Ruchel (Rachel). I would be really appreciative if you could find any references to Nathan and Binah’s siblings and parents. I’ve hit a wall in that area.
My grandfather Isaac Schwabski was born 10/15/1882. His father Nathan was born in 1861. His mother Binah (Bina, Rebecca, Becky, Biena) was born around 1863. Her maiden name. I think, was Gershoff or possibly Gershkoff, and her parents were Jacob Gershoff and Bessie Rabinowitz. --- Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
vikariiPhD history. Ìû èùåì ÂѨ è íàõîäèì ìíîãîå! ×àñòíûé ñïåöèàëèñòTel Aviv, Israel Ñîîáùåíèé: 23879 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 8467 | Íàâåðõ ##
8 èþíÿ 2020 13:58 8 èþíÿ 2020 13:59 kbg_dnepr, it is beautiful. But what is your questions to us? What are you want to find? --- Ìîé äíåâíèê
Ïëàòíûå êîíñóëüòàöèè ïî âîåííî-÷åêèñòñêîìó ïîèñêó. Ðàáîòàþ â âîåííûõ àðõèâàõ è íå òîëüêî: ÖÀÌÎ, ÐÃÂÀ, ÐÃÂÈÀ, ÃÀÐÔ, ÐÃÀÑÏÈ. Ðàáîòó íà÷èíàþ ÒÎËÜÊÎ ïîñëå îïëàòû àâàíñà. Çàêàçû ïðèñûëàéòå íà ïî÷òó:
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8 èþíÿ 2020 14:05 vikarii íàïèñàë: [q] kbg_dnepr, it is beautiful. But what is your questions to us? What are you want to find?[/q]
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8 èþíÿ 2020 21:56 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Policman îò 4 èþíÿ 2020 9:59 " Ìíå â ýòîé òåìå íèêòî èç çíàòîêîâ êîíêðåòíî íå îòâåòèë íà âîïðîñ î ðåãèñòðàöèè àêòîâ ãðàæäàíñêîãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ èóäååâ â íà÷àëå 19 âåêà. Êàê ýòî ïðîèñõîäèëî â óäàëåííûõ îò ñèíàãîã ìåñòàõ."À î÷åíü ïðîñòî ïðîèñõîäèëî. Ñ äåâî÷êàìè íèêòî íå çàìîðà÷èâàëñÿ - ðåãèñòðèðîâàëè èõ ðîæäåíèå ñ îêàçèåé ÷åðåç ãîäû. Ìàêñèìóì, êîòîðûé âèäåë - 27 ëåò. Ëèáî, ïî ðîæäåíèè äâóõ-òðåõ äåòåé äåëàëè âîÿæ â áëèæàéøóþ Ñèíàãîãó, ãäå è ðåãèñòðèðîâàëè äåòåé. Ñ ìàëü÷èêàìè - ñëîæíåå. Ñòàðàëèñü ðåãèñòðèðîâàòü èõ, êàê ïîëîæåíî. Áðàêè, èíîé ðàç, ïåðåðåãèñòðèðîâàëè ñïóñòÿ ãîäû. Ìàêñèìóì, ÷òî âèäåë - 11 ëåò. À âîò ïî ñìåðòÿì - íè÷åãî íå ñêàæó. Ïðè÷åì, áûëî ýòî è â íà÷àëå 19 ñò., è ïðîäîëæàëîñü áîëåå 100 ëåò. | | |
Policman Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 960 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1291 | Íàâåðõ ##
8 èþíÿ 2020 22:24 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ NORD-OST îò 8 èþíÿ 2020 21:56 Ñïàñèáî.  öåëîì êàðòèíó ÿ ñåáå ïðåäñòàâèë, ïî÷èòàâ ôîðóì è äðóãèå èñòî÷íèêè.  ìîåì ñëó÷àå êàê ðàç ìàëü÷èê ó îòöà ïîäàòíîãî ñîñëîâèÿ, íó è êàðòà ñ ñèíàãîãàìè Ñèìáèðñêîé ãóáåðíèè 1815 ãîäà. | | |
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9 èþíÿ 2020 12:17 Policman íàïèñàë: [q] >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ NORD-OST îò 8 èþíÿ 2020 21:56 Ñïàñèáî.  öåëîì êàðòèíó ÿ ñåáå ïðåäñòàâèë, ïî÷èòàâ ôîðóì è äðóãèå èñòî÷íèêè.  ìîåì ñëó÷àå êàê ðàç ìàëü÷èê ó îòöà ïîäàòíîãî ñîñëîâèÿ, íó è êàðòà ñ ñèíàãîãàìè Ñèìáèðñêîé ãóáåðíèè 1815 ãîäà.
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Ïîëîæåíèå óñóãóáëÿëîñü òåì, ÷òî ïî "Çàêîíàì î åâðåÿõ" çà íåïðàâèëüíîå âåäåíèå êíèãè ðàââèíà øòðàôîâàëè. Ïðè÷åì, çà ìàëü÷èêîâ - áóäóùèõ ðåêðóòîâ è ïëàòåëüùèêîâ íàëîãîâ - îäíîçíà÷íî. À ïðè âòîðîì íàðóøåíèè - øòðàô óâåëè÷èâàëñÿ. À ïðè òðåòüåì - ðàââèíà îòëó÷àëè îò çàïèñåé. Íàïîìíþ, ðàââèí íå íàõîäèëñÿ íà ãîññëóæáå, â îòëè÷èå îò ïðàâîñëàâíîãî áàòþøêè. À çà äåâî÷åê, îáû÷íî, íå ïðåñëåäîâàëè. Âû, êîíå÷íî, çíàåòå, ÷òî â Ðåâèçèÿõ, îñîáåííî â ïåðâûõ, æåíùèí òàê æå íå óêàçûâàëè. Ïîïàäàëèñü ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè ðàââèíàòà, ãäå ìàëü÷èêîâ áûëî â 5 (!!) ðàç áîëüøå, ÷åì äåâî÷åê (247 : 51). Îáû÷íî ðîæäàåòñÿ (103..106) : 100. | | |
Policman Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 960 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1291 | Íàâåðõ ##
9 èþíÿ 2020 12:44 9 èþíÿ 2020 12:51 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ NORD-OST îò 9 èþíÿ 2020 12:17 Ðåâèçñêàÿ äóøà — åäèíèöà ðåâèçñêîãî ó÷¸òà, ïîä êîòîðîé ïîíèìàëñÿ ìóæ÷èíà.  ñêàçêàõ 3 ðåâèçèè æåíñêîå íàñåëåíèå óæå ïðîïèñàíî î÷åíü ïîäðîáíî. Íî ýòî êàñàåòñÿ ïðàâîñëàâíîãî íàñåëåíèÿ, ïîýòîìó ïûòàþñü ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ñ èóäåéñêèì. Ïðîáëåì äîáàâëÿåò äàâíîñòü ñîáûòèÿ. Ïîïûòàëñÿ íàéòè ìåñòà áëèæàéøèõ ñèíàãîã èëè ðàââèíîâ, îáçâîíèë íåñêîëüêî êóëüòóðíî-èñòîðè÷åñêèõ öåíòðîâ è ñèíàãîã â Ïîâîëæüå è Ìîñêâå. Ìîé âîïðîñ â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ ïðîñòî íå ïîíÿëè. À òàì, ãäå ïîíÿëè è îöåíèëè, íå ñìîãëè ïîìî÷ü ñîâåòîì. Ìàëü÷èê ðîäèëñÿ â 1815 ãîäó, ãîäó â 1824 êðåñòèëñÿ ñ îòöîì â ïðàâîñëàâèå, îäèí ïîëó÷èë âîçìîæíîñòü ïîñòóïèòü â ãèìíàçèþ, äðóãîé - íà êàçåííóþ ñëóæáó. Åñëè ïðè êðåùåíèè íå òðåáîâàëîñü ïðåäñòàâèòü êàêèå-ëèáî äîêóìåíòû, òî â äîïîëíèòåëüíîì 4-îì ðàçäåëå ìåòðè÷åñêîé êíèãè î êðåùåíèè èíîâåðöåâ ìîãëè ïðîñòî ïðîïèñàòü âîçðàñò ñî ñëîâ. | | |
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9 èþíÿ 2020 18:08 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Policman îò 9 èþíÿ 2020 12:44 Íå âñå òóò ïðîñòî, Âû ïðàâû. Íî Ìîñêâà è Ïîâîëæüå - ýòî âíå ÷åðòû îñåäëîñòè. Íå ìîã èóäåé æèòü òàì áåç äîêóìåíòîâ. Ïîëèöèÿ â 24 ÷àñà âûëîâèëà è èçãíàëà çà ïðåäåëû ÷åðòû îñåäëîñòè. À ãèìíàñòè÷åñêèå äåëà è ïîñëóæíîé ñïèñîê îòöà íå ñîõðàíèëèñü? È ãäå-òî æå îòåö âñòóïèë â áðàê. Õîòÿ, âîâñå íå îáÿçàòåëüíî, ÷òî â òîé æå ñèíàãîãå, ãäå ðåãèñòðèðîâàëè ìëàäåíöà. Ïîïàäàëàñü ïðèïèñêà åâðååâ â äåëàõ Õàðüêîâñêîé ñèíàãîãè ñî âñåé èìïåðèè - îò Âàðøàâû äî Òîìñêà è îò Ïèòåðà äî Îäåññû. Íå ñ÷èòàÿ Âèëüíî, Êðîíøòàäòà, Àâñòðèè è äàæå Àìåðèêè. Ìîáèëüíåå íàðîäà, ÷åì åâðåè - íå áûëî. È åùå. Ïîïàäàëîñü äî 60-õ ãã. 19 âåêà, ÷òî ìåòðèêó íå ðåãèñòðèðîâàëè â Ñèíàãîãå (ãäå å¸ ïîáëèçîñòè íå áûëî), à ñâèäåòåëüñòâîâàëè ôàêò ðîæäåíèÿ íåñêîëüêî óâàæàåìûõ ìåñòíûõ èóäååâ (òî ëè òðè, òî ëè ÷åòûðå - íå ïîìíþ). Òàêàÿ æå ñèòóàöèÿ áûëà ïî óòðà÷åííûì ìåòðè÷åñêèì êíèãàì, íàïðèìåð, ïð ïîæàðå. | | |
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