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Íà ñàéòå ÂÃÄ ñîáèðàþòñÿ ëþäè, óâëå÷åííûå ãåíåàëîãèåé, èñòîðèåé, ãåðàëüäèêîé è ò.ä. Çäåñü âû íàéäåòå ñîáåñåäíèêîâ, ýêñïåðòîâ, óìåëûõ ïîìîùíèêîâ â ïîèñêàõ ïðåäêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Âàì ïîäñêàæóò ãäå èñêàòü äîêóìåíòû î ïàâøèõ â áîÿõ è ïðîïàâøèõ áåç âåñòè, â êàêîé àðõèâ îáðàòèòüñÿ ïðè èññëåäîâàíèè ðîäîñëîâíîé ñâîåé ñåìüè, ïîìîãóò îïðåäåëèòü ïî ñòàðîé ôîòîãðàôèè ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê âîèíñêèì ÷àñòÿì, âåäîìñòâàì è ÷èíó. ÂÃÄ - ïîèñê ëþäåé â ïðîøëîì, íàñòîÿùåì è áóäóùåì!
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ÈÙÓ ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿ ñâîåãî ðîäà

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Viktoria86
Íîâè÷îê

Ñîîáùåíèé: 16
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 3
Çäðàâñòâóéòå, èùó åâðåéñêèå êîðíè. Áàáóøêà âñåãäà ãîâîðèëà, ÷òî ó íàñ â ðîäó åñòü åâðåéñêèå êîðíè. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ ó êîãî ñïðîñèòü óæå íå ìîãó âñå óìåðëè, òåïåðü õî÷ó ñàìà íàéòè äîêàçàòåëüñòâî , ÷òî â íàñ òå÷åò åâðåéñêàÿ êðîâü. Ïðàáàáóøêà áûëà óêðàèíî-åâðåéêà, òàê ðàññêàçûâàëà áàáóøêà, íî â ñâèäåòåëüñòâå î ðîæäåíèè áàáóøêè îíà óêðàèíêà. Ïðàáàáóøêà ðîäèëàñü â 1918 ãîäó â Äíåïðîïåòðîâñêå. Ìîæíî ëè êàê òî âûÿñíèòü åå íàñòîÿùóþ íàöèîíàëüíîñòü?
Viktoria86
Íîâè÷îê

Ñîîáùåíèé: 16
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 3
ïðàáàáóøêà Ãðèíåâè÷ Âåðà Ôåäîðîâíà
Bibigon
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

×àñòíûé ñïåöèàëèñò

Âèííèöà - Êèåâ - Ðåõîâîò - Îäåññà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1626
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 2045

Viktoria86 íàïèñàë:
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ïðàáàáóøêà Ãðèíåâè÷ Âåðà Ôåäîðîâíà
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Íè èìÿ íè îò÷åñòâî âàøåé ïðàáàáóøêè ÍÅ ÿâëÿþòñÿ åâðåéñêèìè. Ìîæåò ó íåå áûëè åùå êàêèå-òî äðóãèå èìåíà?
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Ìîé äíåâíèê Ðàáîòàþ â àðõèâàõ Óêðàèíû è Áåëàðóñè. Ðàáîòó íà÷èíàþ ÒÎËÜÊÎ ïîñëå îïëàòû àâàíñà.
kbg_dnepr
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7833
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4373
Èùåò àìåðèêàíåö:

Íàòàí è Ðåáåêêà Øâàáñêèå èç Áîáðèíöà, äåòè: Èñààê, Ñàìóýëü, Àëåêñ (Åëëåê), Ñàðà, Àííà è Ðàõåëü. Èñààê çàïèñàëñÿ ñûíîì ñîñåäà Êðóïíèêà, ÷òîáû èçáåæàòü ïðèçûâà â àðìèþ. Â 1905 ã. ýìèãðèðîâàë â ÑØÀ, êóäà ïîòîì ïåðåñåëèëàñü è âñÿ ñåìüÿ.

Èñààê Øâàáñêèé ðîäèëñÿ 15 îêò. 1882 ã.
Åãî îòåö Íàòàí â 1861, ìàòü Áèíà (Ðåáåêêà, Áåê³è - îê. 1863. Åå äåâè÷üÿ ôàìèëèÿ áóëà Ãåðøîâ èëè Ãåðøêîâ, à åå ðîäèòåëè áûëè ßêîá Ãåðøîâ è Áåññè Ðàáèíîâè÷.

my grandfather Isaac Krupnick “borrowed” the name Krupnick from a neighboring family in Bobrynets, Ukraine who had lost a son in the army. My grandfather took the name so that he would not be conscripted for life in the Russian Army. The rule said if a family lost a son, they would not conscript any others. He then emigrated to the U.S. in 1905, worked for 2 years and then sent for his parents and siblings. My great grandparents were Nathan (Natan) and Binah (Bina, Rebecca) Schwabsky, and Isaac’s siblings were Samuel, Alex (Elleck), Sarah, Anna and Ruchel (Rachel). I would be really appreciative if you could find any references to Nathan and Binah’s siblings and parents. I’ve hit a wall in that area.

My grandfather Isaac Schwabski was born 10/15/1882. His father Nathan was born in 1861. His mother Binah (Bina, Rebecca, Becky, Biena) was born around 1863. Her maiden name. I think, was Gershoff or possibly Gershkoff, and her parents were Jacob Gershoff and Bessie Rabinowitz.
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Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.)
vikarii
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
PhD history. Ìû èùåì ÂѨ è íàõîäèì ìíîãîå!

vikarii

×àñòíûé ñïåöèàëèñò

Tel Aviv, Israel
Ñîîáùåíèé: 24491
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 8726
kbg_dnepr, it is beautiful. But what is your questions to us? What are you want to find?
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Ìîé äíåâíèê Ïëàòíûå êîíñóëüòàöèè ïî âîåííî-÷åêèñò. ïîèñêó. Ðàáîòàþ â àðõèâàõ: ÖÀÌÎ, ÐÃÂÀ, ÐÃÂÈÀ, ÃÀÐÔ, ÐÃÀÑÏÈ. Ðàáîòó íà÷èíàþ ïîñëå îïëàòû àâàíñà. Çàêàçû ïðèñûëàòü íà ïî÷òó:

vkamiinskij@gmail.com
kaminskyvalery1963@gmail.com
kaminsckij.valera@yandex.com
Demiurg
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

NN
Ñîîáùåíèé: 629
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 2453

vikarii íàïèñàë:
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kbg_dnepr, it is beautiful. But what is your questions to us? What are you want to find?
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Please learn English grammar)) how to build a question))) before to try to say something 👎
NORD-OST
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Ñîîáùåíèé: 1257
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 3959
>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Policman îò 4 èþíÿ 2020 9:59

"Ìíå â ýòîé òåìå íèêòî èç çíàòîêîâ êîíêðåòíî íå îòâåòèë íà âîïðîñ î ðåãèñòðàöèè àêòîâ ãðàæäàíñêîãî ñîñòîÿíèÿ èóäååâ â íà÷àëå 19 âåêà. Êàê ýòî ïðîèñõîäèëî â óäàëåííûõ îò ñèíàãîã ìåñòàõ."

À î÷åíü ïðîñòî ïðîèñõîäèëî. Ñ äåâî÷êàìè íèêòî íå çàìîðà÷èâàëñÿ - ðåãèñòðèðîâàëè èõ ðîæäåíèå ñ îêàçèåé ÷åðåç ãîäû. Ìàêñèìóì, êîòîðûé âèäåë - 27 ëåò. Ëèáî, ïî ðîæäåíèè äâóõ-òðåõ äåòåé äåëàëè âîÿæ â áëèæàéøóþ Ñèíàãîãó, ãäå è ðåãèñòðèðîâàëè äåòåé.
Ñ ìàëü÷èêàìè - ñëîæíåå. Ñòàðàëèñü ðåãèñòðèðîâàòü èõ, êàê ïîëîæåíî.
Áðàêè, èíîé ðàç, ïåðåðåãèñòðèðîâàëè ñïóñòÿ ãîäû. Ìàêñèìóì, ÷òî âèäåë - 11 ëåò.
À âîò ïî ñìåðòÿì - íè÷åãî íå ñêàæó.
Ïðè÷åì, áûëî ýòî è â íà÷àëå 19 ñò., è ïðîäîëæàëîñü áîëåå 100 ëåò.
Policman
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Policman

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 978
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1310
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Ñïàñèáî.
 öåëîì êàðòèíó ÿ ñåáå ïðåäñòàâèë, ïî÷èòàâ ôîðóì è äðóãèå èñòî÷íèêè.  ìîåì ñëó÷àå êàê ðàç ìàëü÷èê ó îòöà ïîäàòíîãî ñîñëîâèÿ, íó è êàðòà ñ ñèíàãîãàìè Ñèìáèðñêîé ãóáåðíèè 1815 ãîäà.
NORD-OST
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Ñîîáùåíèé: 1257
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 3959

Policman íàïèñàë:
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ NORD-OST îò 8 èþíÿ 2020 21:56
Ñïàñèáî.
 öåëîì êàðòèíó ÿ ñåáå ïðåäñòàâèë, ïî÷èòàâ ôîðóì è äðóãèå èñòî÷íèêè.  ìîåì ñëó÷àå êàê ðàç ìàëü÷èê ó îòöà ïîäàòíîãî ñîñëîâèÿ, íó è êàðòà ñ ñèíàãîãàìè Ñèìáèðñêîé ãóáåðíèè 1815 ãîäà.
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Ïîëîæåíèå óñóãóáëÿëîñü òåì, ÷òî ïî "Çàêîíàì î åâðåÿõ" çà íåïðàâèëüíîå âåäåíèå êíèãè ðàââèíà øòðàôîâàëè. Ïðè÷åì, çà ìàëü÷èêîâ - áóäóùèõ ðåêðóòîâ è ïëàòåëüùèêîâ íàëîãîâ - îäíîçíà÷íî. À ïðè âòîðîì íàðóøåíèè - øòðàô óâåëè÷èâàëñÿ. À ïðè òðåòüåì - ðàââèíà îòëó÷àëè îò çàïèñåé. Íàïîìíþ, ðàââèí íå íàõîäèëñÿ íà ãîññëóæáå, â îòëè÷èå îò ïðàâîñëàâíîãî áàòþøêè.
À çà äåâî÷åê, îáû÷íî, íå ïðåñëåäîâàëè. Âû, êîíå÷íî, çíàåòå, ÷òî â Ðåâèçèÿõ, îñîáåííî â ïåðâûõ, æåíùèí òàê æå íå óêàçûâàëè.
Ïîïàäàëèñü ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè ðàââèíàòà, ãäå ìàëü÷èêîâ áûëî â 5 (!!) ðàç áîëüøå, ÷åì äåâî÷åê (247 : 51). Îáû÷íî ðîæäàåòñÿ (103..106) : 100.
Policman
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Policman

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 978
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1310
>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ NORD-OST îò 9 èþíÿ 2020 12:17

Ðåâèçñêàÿ äóøà — åäèíèöà ðåâèçñêîãî ó÷¸òà, ïîä êîòîðîé ïîíèìàëñÿ ìóæ÷èíà.
 ñêàçêàõ 3 ðåâèçèè æåíñêîå íàñåëåíèå óæå ïðîïèñàíî î÷åíü ïîäðîáíî. Íî ýòî êàñàåòñÿ ïðàâîñëàâíîãî íàñåëåíèÿ, ïîýòîìó ïûòàþñü ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ñ èóäåéñêèì. Ïðîáëåì äîáàâëÿåò äàâíîñòü ñîáûòèÿ.
Ïîïûòàëñÿ íàéòè ìåñòà áëèæàéøèõ ñèíàãîã èëè ðàââèíîâ, îáçâîíèë íåñêîëüêî êóëüòóðíî-èñòîðè÷åñêèõ öåíòðîâ è ñèíàãîã â Ïîâîëæüå è Ìîñêâå. Ìîé âîïðîñ â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ ïðîñòî íå ïîíÿëè. À òàì, ãäå ïîíÿëè è îöåíèëè, íå ñìîãëè ïîìî÷ü ñîâåòîì.
Ìàëü÷èê ðîäèëñÿ â 1815 ãîäó, ãîäó â 1824 êðåñòèëñÿ ñ îòöîì â ïðàâîñëàâèå, îäèí ïîëó÷èë âîçìîæíîñòü ïîñòóïèòü â ãèìíàçèþ, äðóãîé - íà êàçåííóþ ñëóæáó.
Åñëè ïðè êðåùåíèè íå òðåáîâàëîñü ïðåäñòàâèòü êàêèå-ëèáî äîêóìåíòû, òî â äîïîëíèòåëüíîì 4-îì ðàçäåëå ìåòðè÷åñêîé êíèãè î êðåùåíèè èíîâåðöåâ ìîãëè ïðîñòî ïðîïèñàòü âîçðàñò ñî ñëîâ.
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