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Àíåòòà .Âîò åå ïîòîìêîâ ìíå áû íàéòè õîòåëîñü.Îíà âðîäå æèëà â Òàëëèíå.Çàìóæåì áûëà çà ýñòîíöåì.Óìåðëà â 1979 ãîäó.Èìåëà äåòåé
http://www.geni.com/people/Juu...1356186681

Juuli Annette Treuvald/ Truumets (Peddi)
Sündinud: 28. märts 1882
Järva County
Surnud: 7. aprill 1979 (97)
Tallinn, Harjumaa
Lähedased:
Daughter of Juhhan Peddi ja Miina Peddi (Landesval)
Wife of Jakob Treuvald/ Truumets
Mother of Elfriede Treuvald; Renate Eve Kuldva (Treuvald) ja Edgar Treuvald/ Truumets
Lisaja: Jana Stahl (26. oktoober 2010)
Haldaja(d): Eda Liiväär (Lahesaar), ja Jana Stahl


Ìþíà -òîæå íè÷åãî íå áûëî èçâåñòíî
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Miina Peddi (Landesval)
Sündinud: 10. oktoober 1853
Põriki, Ambla, Järva County
Surnud: 1. august 1916 (62)
Lähedased:
Daughter of Jürri Landesval
Wife of Juhhan Peddi
Mother of Juuli Truumets
Lisaja: Eda Liiväär (Lahesaar) ( 1. veebruar 2011)


Loviise Pedi
Sündinud: 26. juuni 1891
Surnud: 1984 (93)
Lähedased:
Wife of Samuel Speek
Mother of Hans Speek
Lisaja: Eveli Soo ( 5. aprill 2009)

Loviise Pedi
http://www.geni.com/people/Loviise-Pedi/6000000003422801853

http://www.gerritspeek.nl/gene...htm#BM4726

IV.18 Samuel SPEEK, born on 25-07-1886 in Päidla, Estonia, died 1959 in Tallinn, Estonia, (In 1920 Samuel was teaching in an Estonian publicschool in Kaukasia, Russia, where an Estonian owner had his factory. Six month after the birth of Hans the family returned to Estonia.), son of Kaarel SPEEK (see also III.5) and Ann.
Married circa 1918 to Lovise PEDDI, born on 26-06-1891 in Estonia, Purgasti farm (Tammesti farm), died 1984 in Stockholm, Sweden, (surname also Pedi), daughter of Juhan PEDDI and N.N. (one child in this marriage).
From this marriage:
1. m Hans (Hans) (see also V.36).


V.36 Hans (Hans) SPEEK, born in Novorossisk, Kaukasia, Russia, (an other calendar mentioned the birthdate: 17-02-1920), (born in Novorossisk Russia where his father was teacher on a school for employees of an Estonian factory, moved to Tallinn at the age of 6 month, grown up in Tallinn, studied civil engineering in Tallinn, moved in december 1943 to Sweden (via Helsinki), studied architecture in Stockholm and since 1950 busy in Stockholm as consulting architect, retired in Januari 1996)
(source Hans Speek, Sweden: Villem and Peeter Alexander were obviously cousins. In 1952 I visited Peeter Alexander in his farm in Virginia and we discussed our relationship. Peeter Alexander ment that he and his brother Jaan were cousins to Kaarel's children. Even my father has told me that Kaarel has had a brother in Pangodi.)
(source Hans Speek, Sweden: in his first phonecall with Gerrit Speek, Holland Hans mentioned that there is a rumour in his family that the Estonian Speek's came from Holland.)
(I, Gerrit Speek Holland, visited Hans and Zinaida on 21+22 feb 1998. Like all Estonian Speek's they were very interested in their ancestors. We had an interesting talk that weekend and I went home with lots of information.), son of Samuel SPEEK (see also IV.18) and Lovise PEDDI.
Married in Stockholm, Sweden to Zinaida NIEMAND, born in Tartu, Estonia, (in August 1944 moved to Stockholm to be reunited with Hans.), daughter of Johann Georg Aleksander NIEMAND and Matrona BOGDANOV, (one child in this marriage).
From this marriage:
1. m Ra, born in Stockholm, Sweden, (is living in Switserland; not married (feb98)).

Þëèÿ Ìàãäàëåíà-íèêàêèõ ñâåäåíèé.
È åùå áûëè áðàòüÿ Éîõàíåñ è Ãóñòàâ.Êòî òî èõ íèõ ýìèãðèðîâàë âØâåöèþ

Ïîñìîòðèòå íà èìåíà,îíè èìèãðèðîâàëè â Øâåäöèþ.

Samuel Speek
Sündinud: 13. juuli 1886
Neeruti
Surnud: 1959 (73)
Lähedased:
Son of Kaarel Speek ja Ann Speek (Ronni)
Husband of Loviise Pedi
Father of Hans Speek
Brother of Jaan Speek; Gustav (Kusti) Speek; Johan Speek; Villem Speek; Leena Speek; ja Juuli Vaher (Speek) « vähenda
Lisaja: Eveli Soo ( 5. aprill 2009)
Haldaja(d): Rein Hõim ja veel üks
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Loviise Pedi
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Hans Speek
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Kaarel Speek
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Ann Speek (Ronni)
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Jaan Speek
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Gustav (Kusti) Speek
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Johan Speek
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Villem Speek
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Leena Speek
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Juuli Vaher (Speek)
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Statistika
Isikuid puus 388
Veresugulasi 247
Esivanemaid 11
Järeltulijaid 2
Uudisvoogu jälgivad 2
Seotud projektid
Isikut Samuel Speek pole veel ühtegi projekti lisatud. Kutsu projekti
Sagedaseimad perenimed
Speek, Pedi, Ronni ja Vaher


Kaarel Speek
Sündinud: 13. september 1839
Surnud: 1911 (72)
Lähedased:
Son of Mihkel Speek; (Timuske Jaani) Sander Speek; Mari Speek (Treiwelt) ja Mai Speek
Husband of Ann Speek (Ronni)
Father of Jaan Speek; Gustav (Kusti) Speek; Johan Speek; Villem Speek; Leena Speek; Juuli Vaher (Speek) ja Samuel Speek
Brother of Jaan Speek; Marri Orrav (Speek); Ello Vadi (Speek); Hans Speek ja Peeter Speek
Lisaja: Eveli Soo ( 5. aprill 2009)
Haldaja(d): Eveli Soo, Rein Hõim ja Marit Lani

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Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå!
ß çàðåãèñòðèðîâàëàñü â geni è ñîçäàëà òàì ñâîé ïðîôèëü.Åùå ïîïðîáîâàëà ñâÿçàòüñÿ òàì ñ ìåíåäæåðîì ïðîôèëÿ Eveli Soo.Íå çíàþ.÷òî ïîëó÷èòñÿ.ó÷èòûâàÿ òî,÷òî ñîçäàâàëñÿ ïðîôèëü â 2009 ãîäó...Ñòîëüêî âðåìåíè ïðîøëî.

Îáðàùàþñü ê çíàòîêàì èñòîðèè æèçíè, áûòà â Ýñòîíèè 18-19 âåêà.
Èç ðåâèçèé, íàïèñàííûõ íà íåìåöêîì ÿçûêå, âîò ÷òî ìíå ïåðåâåëè:

âîò â ýòîì ñîîáùåíèè https://forum.vgd.ru/post/22/3495/p1691015.htm#pp1691015 è â ñëåäóþùåì çà íèì ÿ ïðèâåëà ôðàãìåíòû ðåâèçèé 1795 è 1816 ãîäà, èç êîòîðûõ ïîëó÷èëîñü òî, ÷òî ìíå ïðî÷èòàëè:

âîò çäåñü https://forum.vgd.ru/post/22/3495/p1693521.htm#pp1693521 ìíå ïðî÷èòàëè:
1-é:
Schneider Madis Jacobsohn Joa.
Mein Weib Maria Materin war bei der vorigen Revision unter Forel - òóò óäàëîñü ðàçîáðàòüñÿ è íàéòè â Ôîðåëå çàïèñü î ñåìüå, ãäå ðîäèëàñü Ìàðèÿ (æåíà ïîðòíîãî Ìàäèññà ßêîáñîíà Éîà), è äàæå óäàëîñü íàéòè ìåòðèêó î å¸ ðîæäåíèè. Çàïèñü î áðàêå íàéòè íå óäàëîñü, ò.ê. çà òå ãîäû, êîãäà îíè âåí÷àëèñü, ìåòðèêè î áðàêå íå ñîõðàíèëèñü â ýòîì ïðèõîäå.

âîò çäåñü https://forum.vgd.ru/post/22/3495/p1693402.htm#pp1693402 òîæå ïðî÷èòàëè
2. 1813 im Armenhaus (êàæåòñÿ)

Âîò çäåñü https://forum.vgd.ru/post/22/3495/p1693856.htm#pp1693856 ÿ âûëîæèëà ôðàãìåíò ðåâèçèè 1834 ãîäà
è ìíå âîò çäåñü https://forum.vgd.ru/post/22/3495/p1694012.htm#pp1694012 ïðî÷èòàëè
Jacon Joa - Bei der 7ten Revision im Armenhause angeschrieben. (áåç ñîìíåíèÿ)

ò.ê. òåêñò ðàçáèðàëè è ÷èòàëè íà íåìåöêîì, êîòîðûì ÿ íå âëàäåþ, ÿ îáðàòèëàñü çà ïåðåâîäîì ê Ãóãëþ, è ïîëó÷èëîñü, ÷òî â 1813 ãîäó ñûí Ìàäèññà (ñòàðøåãî) ßêîá âûáûë â Armenhaus (áîãàäåëüíþ ?), è ê ðåâèçèè 1834 ãîäà îí ñíîâà âåðíóëñÿ èç Armenhause angeschrieben (áîãàäåëüíè?)

ß íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü ÷òî çà áîãàäåëüíÿ èëè ÿ íå ïðàâèëüíî ïåðåâîæó...
Ìàäèññ ñòàðøèé ïî äàííûì ýòèõ ðåâèçèé áûë ïîðòíûì, çàïèñàí â ðåâèçèè "ñâîáîäíûõ ëþäåé", ðåìåñëåííèê
ßêîá - íå ïîíÿòíî ÷òî îñâîèë â ýòîé "áîãàäåëüíå", ãäå îí ïðîáûë ñ 1813 ïî 18** (äî 1834) ãîä
Ïî áîëåå ïîçäíèì äîêóìåíòàì ñûí ýòîãî ßêîáà - Ìàäèññ (ìëàäøèé) áûë ìàëÿðîì, ò.å. òîæå ðåìåñëåííèê.
Ýòî âñå ðåâèçèè Âåçåíáåðãà, ãîðîäñêèõ æèòåëåé.

ß ïðåäïîëîæèëà, ÷òî áîãàäåëüíÿ - ýòî ìîíàñòûðü, ãäå áûëè ñâîè ðåìåñëåííûå ìàñòåðñêèå, ãäå ìàëü÷èê áûë ó÷åíèêîì, îñâàèâàë ðåìåñëî.
Íî íåìåöêîå Maler ìîæíî ïåðåâåñòè è êàê ìàëÿð, è êàê æèâîïèñåö, è êàê õóäîæíèê.
Ìîã ßêîá îñâàèâàòü â áîãàäåëüíå (ìîíàñòûðå) ðåìåñëî èêîíîïèñöà, à ïîòîì ïåðåäàòü óìåíèå æèâîïèñàòü ñâîåìó ñûíó Ìàäèññó (ìëàäøåìó)?
Îõ, ôàíòàçèÿ ðàçûãðàëàñü!

Ïðàâà ëè ÿ â ñâîèõ ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿõ?

È ÷òî çà ìîíàñòûðü áûë â Âåçåíáåðãå íà ñòûêå 18-19 âåêîâ?

ñêîðåé âñåãî øêîëà-èíòåðíàò äëÿ áåäíûõ.
ìîé 4-ïðà-äåä áûë ó÷èòåëåì, âèäèìî, òàêîé øêîëû â Ðåâåëå.

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â íà÷àëå 19 âåêà áûëè ëè òàêèå øêîëû äëÿ áåäíûõ ïðè áîãàäåëüíÿõ â Âåçåíáåðãå?

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Ïî-âèäèìîìó, áûëè. Òîëüêî íå âî ìíîæåñòâåííîì, à â åäèíñòâåííîì ÷èñëå. Íàäî ó÷èòûâàòü, ÷òî Âåçåíáåðã áûë ìàëþñåíüêèì óåçäíûì ãîðîäêîì. ×èñëåííîñòü íàñåëåíèÿ â 1890 ã., íàïðèìåð, 3713 ÷åëîâåê.
Ó Áðîêãàóçà è Ýôðîíà ãîâîðèòñÿ î íàëè÷èè 1 áîãàäåëüíè, 1 ñèðîòñêîãî äîìà è 1 ñèðîòñêîãî ó÷èëèùà ïðè áîãàäåëüíå (1890 ã.). Ó÷èòûâàÿ, ÷òî â ãîðîäå áûëà öåëàÿ óëèöà ñ íàçâàíèåì Vaestemaja tänav (vastemaja = áîãàòåëüíÿ), ìîæíî ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî òàêîå çàâåäåíèå ñóùåñòâîâàëî è â íà÷àëå 19 âåêà, à òî è ðàíüøå.
È áîãàäåëüíÿ (vaestemaja), è ñèðîòñêèé äîì (vaeslastekool) áûëè, ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, ïðè åäèíñòâåííîé ëþòåðàíñêîé öåðêâè ãîðîäà.
Ñåé÷àñ óëèöà íîñèò íàçâàíèå Àéà (â ïåðåâîäå Càäîâàÿ) = Aia tn.

 èíòåðíåò-èñòî÷íèêàõ íà ýñò. ÿçûêå, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåò èíôîðìàöèè îá ýòèõ çàâåäåíèÿõ.

Íåêòî Constantin Winkler (7. mai 1809 Jüri – mai 1855 Rakvere) áûë ïàñòîðîì Âåçåíáåðãñêîãî ïðèõîäà Òðîèöû â 1835-1855 ãã., à òàêæå çàâåäîâàë áîãàäåëüíîé è ñèðîòñêèì äîìîì (äàííûå èç ýñòîíñêîé Âèêèïåäèè).

Íà óë. Àéà 15 ñóùåñòâóåò çäàíèå áûâøåé áîãàäåëüíè (íûíå òàì òîæå îáèòàåò äîì ïðèçðåíèÿ/ïðåñòàðåëûõ) è çà íèì ñòàðûé ñàä, áûâøèé ïðè íåé. Çäàíèå êàìåííîå, ïîõîæå, èç ïëèòíÿêà, îòäåëêà îêîí - êðàñíûé êèðïè÷ (ïëîõîíüêîå ôîòî 2009 ã. ïðèëàãàþ, ýòî èç íåêîãî çàêàçàííîãî ãîðóïðàâîé èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïî àðõèòåêòóðíî-ïëàíèðîâî÷íûì ïåðñïåêòèâàì). Íî ãäå-òî â ìîèõ ïîèñêàõ ïðîìåëüêíóëî, ÷òî ýòî çäàíèå áûëî ïîñòðîåíî â 1938 ã., ÷òî ïîõîæå íà ïðàâäó À óæ ïîñòðîèëè åãî íà ìåñòå äðåâíåãî èñòîðè÷åñêîãî èëè íåò, íèãäå íàéòè íå óäàëîñü.
Î ìåñòîïîëîæåíèè ñèðîòñêîãî äîìà äàííûõ ïîêà íå íàøëîñü.