Martinoff (Мартынов)
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1 февраля 2012 18:55 1 февраля 2012 18:57 F. Martinoff написал: [q] But anyway, even it's a different award/order, you still can tell
what is white and what is red![/q]
Yes, it looks this way. But at the same time it's also clear that the shape and size are the same. It's not a Maltese cross. | | |
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1 февраля 2012 20:30 The question is what it is,
...based on all "your" information it could only be a St. George with Diamonds !!! ???
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1 февраля 2012 21:00 1 февраля 2012 21:11 F. Martinoff написал: [q] The question is what it is,
...based on all "your" information it could only be a St. George with Diamonds !!! ???[/q]
Impossible. First - such thing (St.George cross with diamonds) has never existed. Second - order of St.George is a military decoration that could only be awarded for acts of combat related heroism. Third - the St.George cross worn on a neck ribbon would be a 3rd class. Meaning that he had to have a 4th class cross worn on his chest as well. At that time not many generals had two crosses of St.George. If it's a Russian decoration then it had to be a cross of St.Vladimir. It's the only one that fits. Otherwise it's some kind of foreign decoration. | | |
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1 февраля 2012 21:23 That's what I thought as well, and I had looked in a lot of countries! But St. Vladimir is ( in my opinion) not possible either! The only thing, that could represent the Maltese Order,
is the insignia on the Collar, because the school insignia didn't have
a "Crown" on the Maltese Cross!By frankmartinoff at 2011-12-31 If it was forbidden, he might have just worn the button on the collar,
as a representation,
because nobody looks that close!  | | |
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1 февраля 2012 21:42 F. Martinoff написал: [q] The only thing, that could represent the Maltese Order,
is the insignia on the Collar, because the school insignia didn't have
a "Crown" on the Maltese Cross![/q]
I was talking about the cross on the neck ribbon only. The smaller badge on the collar could be anything. Details are not distinguishable. It might be a miniature version of Corps of Pages badge that was introduced the same year (1902) but there is no way to prove it. | | |
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1 февраля 2012 21:47 """I was talking about the cross on the neck ribbon only. The smaller badge on the collar could be anything. Details are not distinguishable. It might be a miniature version of Corps of Pages badge that was introduced the same year (1902) but there is no way to prove it. """
I know,....... sometimes things get stuck in translation! | | |
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3 февраля 2012 3:06 3 февраля 2012 3:24 SVKM de L написал: [q]
...arms of Martynov, as I promised.
1. Alexei Martynov, Colonel (granted 1846.11.15)"Щит поделен горизонтально. Вверху в красном поле половина встающего грифа с изогнутым мечом в лапе. Внизу в зеленом поле золотой пернач вертикально, за ним накрест сабля острием вниз и пика, острием вверх. Над щитом дворянский коронованный шлем с тремя страусовыми перьями. Намёт зеленый, подложен золотом."" [/q]
Interesting for me is. that Alexei Martynov, Colonel - Alexander Alexandrovich(1846) from a noble family from Moscow, that he also was an architect !!!  | | |
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