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ðàññûëàòü ïî âñåì, íàõîäèâøèìñÿ íà 1905 ãîä íà òåððèòîðèè Ðîññèéñêîé Èìïåðèè
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Âîçìîæíî, ïîêà íå óãëóáëÿëñÿ, íî âèäíî, ÷òî âàðèàíò íàïèñàíèÿ Æàìîçäèê â ïîèñêîâèêàõ äàåò áîëüøå ðåçóëüòàòîâ, ÷åì Çàìîçäèê. È ïî gwar.mil.ru åñòü åùå âàðèàíò Æàìîéäèê. Òóò âîïðîñ, êàê òðàíñêðèáèðîâàëè ôàìèëèþ ïðè âûäà÷å äîêóìåíòà... Òóò ìîã áû ïîìî÷ü êàêîé-òî äîêóìåíò íà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå ñ íàïèñàíèåì ôàìèëèè... Íó, âîò, íàïðèìåð, Ãðîäíåíñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ: Óêàçàòåëü íàñåëåííûì ìåñòíîñòÿì Ãðîäíåíñêîé ãóáåðíèè, ñ îòíîñÿùèìèñÿ ê íèì íåîáõîäèìûìè ñâåäåíèÿìè. - Ãðîäíà : Ãóá. òèï., 1905. - 180 ñ. http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/2...e/5/zoom/4Ïðóæàíñêèé óåçä - äåðåâíÿ Ãîí÷àðû, ïîñåëîê Ãîí÷àðû Ñëîíèìñêèé óåçä - äåðåâíÿ Ãîí÷àðû Âîëêîâûñêèé óåçä - äåðåâíÿ Ãîí÷àðû,äåðåâíÿ Ãîí÷àðû,äåðåâíÿ Ãîí÷àðû (äà, òðè øòóêè) Ìèíñêîé ãóáåðíèè: Ñïèñîê íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò Ìèíñêîé ãóáåðíèè / ñîñò. Â. Ñ. ßðìîëîâè÷. - Ìèíñê : Ãóá. òèï., 1909. - 231, [1] ñ. - Íà îáë. çàãë. : Àëôàâèò. ñïèñîê íàñåë. ìåñò Ìèíñê. ãóá. http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/2...351/zoom/6Ãîí÷àðû,äåðåâíÿ, Íîâîãðóäñêèé óåçä, Ïî÷àïîâñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ãîí÷àðû,äåðåâíÿ, Ïèíñêèé óåçä, Æàá÷èöñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ãîí÷àðû,äåðåâíÿ, Ñëóöêèé óåçä, Ìåäâåäè÷ñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ãîí÷àðû,èìåíèå, Ñëóöêèé óåçä, Ìåäâåäè÷ñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ãîí÷àðû-Íîâûå,äåðåâíÿ, Íîâîãðóäñêèé óåçä, Ïî÷àïîâñêàÿ âîëîñòü | | |
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14 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 23:04 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ abogus îò 14 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 22:11 À Æàìîéçèê åùå áîëüøå âàðèàíòîâ. Ïîýòîìó ïîâòîðÿþ âîïðîñ: êîãäà îí îêàçàëñÿ âî Ôðàíöèè è èñêàëà ëè îíà íàòóðàëèçàöèþ. ---
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À Æàìîéçèê åùå áîëüøå âàðèàíòîâ.
Ïîýòîìó ïîâòîðÿþ âîïðîñ: êîãäà îí îêàçàëñÿ âî Ôðàíöèè è èñêàëà ëè îíà íàòóðàëèçàöèþ.
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Âîò â ýòîé êíèãå Êòî æèâåò â Áåëàðóñè Îëüãà Èçîòîâà, Ãàëèíà Êàñïåðîâè÷, Àëåêñàíäðà Ãóðêî, Àëåêñàíäð Áîíäàð÷èê Litres, 5 ñåíò. 2017 ã. https://books.google.ru/books?...navlinks_sãîâîðèòñÿ, ÷òî ôàìèëèè òàêîãî òèïà - ïîòîìêè æåìîéòîâ
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15 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 0:57 15 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 0:58 Äà, è åùå åñòü íåêîòîðûå ñîìíåíèÿ â ñîâìåñòèìîñòè ïðàâîñëàâèÿ è èìåíè ßí. Íàñêîëüêî ïîíèìàþ, ëèáî êðåñòèëè â ïðàâîñëàâèè â èìåíè Èîàíí, à ïîòîì íîñèòåëü óæå ñìåíèë åãî â êàêèõ-òî äîêóìåíòàõ, ëèáî îí âñå-òàêè áûë êàòîëèêîì, êðåùåíûì â èìåíè ßí.
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15 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 10:44 Ó ìåíÿ åñòü íåáîëüøîé îïûò ïîèñêà çàïèñåé î íàòóðàëèçàöèè âî Ôðàíöèè, íî ÿ íèêîãäà íå èñêàëà íàòóðàëèçàöèþ âî Ôðàíöèè äëÿ ôðàíêîãîâîðÿùåãî æèòåëÿ ýòîé ñòðàíû. Ñ ïîìîùüþ ãóãë-ïåðåâîä÷èêà. ---
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23 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 11:07 Hello,
I received a response from the Vladimir Department of Justice and they checked the church records of Gonchary in Gorokhovets county and there is no mention of the birth of John Zamozdik.
I agree with you that the transcription from Russian into French in the administrative documents was poorly done.
I am going to look in the documents that you kindly indicated to me.
Helen, my grandfather was not naturalized I'm sure and for the date of arrival in France I don't know he was young and I think major so I will say after 1923.
Here is the mail received
Ïðèâåò,
ß ïîëó÷èë îòâåò èç Âëàäèìèðñêîãî óïðàâëåíèÿ þñòèöèè, è îíè ïðîâåðèëè öåðêîâíûå çàïèñè Ãîí÷àðèÿ Ãîðîõîâåöêîãî óåçäà, è òàì íåò óïîìèíàíèÿ î ðîæäåíèè Èîàííà Çàìîçäèêà.
Ñîãëàñåí ñ Âàìè, ÷òî òðàíñêðèïöèÿ ñ ðóññêîãî íà ôðàíöóçñêèé â ðàñïîðÿäèòåëüíûõ äîêóìåíòàõ ñäåëàíà ïëîõî.
ß ñîáèðàþñü ïðîñìîòðåòü äîêóìåíòû, êîòîðûå âû ìíå ëþáåçíî óêàçàëè.
Õåëåí, ìîé äåäóøêà íå áûë íàòóðàëèçîâàí, ÿ óâåðåí, è íà äàòó ïðèáûòèÿ âî Ôðàíöèþ ÿ íå çíàþ, îí áûë ìîëîäûì è, ÿ äóìàþ, ìàéîðîì, ïîýòîìó ÿ ñêàæó ïîñëå 1923 ãîäà.
Âîò ïîëó÷åííîå ïèñüìî
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Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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23 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 17:38 abogus íàïèñàë: [q] ß ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî ôàìèëèÿ Çàìîçäèê ðàñïðîñòðàíåíà â çàïàäíîé ÷àñòè òåððèòîðèè ñîâðåìåííîé Áåëàðóñè.[/q]
Íà Ïàìÿòè íàðîäà ïðàêòè÷åñêè âñå, èç Áåëîðóññèè Çàìîçäèê Âëàäèìèð Ñòåïàíîâè÷. Îðäåí Îòå÷åñòâåííîé âîéíû II ñòåïåíè __.__.1910 Ëèòîâñêàÿ ÑÑÐ, ã. Âèëüíþñ. Æàìîèäèê Àëåêñàíäð Ìèõàéëîâè÷Cîñòîèò èç 3 äîêóìåíòîâ Ðÿäîâîé, __.__.1900 Áåëîðóññêàÿ ÑÑÐ, Áàðàíîâè÷ñêàÿ îáë., Äÿòëîâñêèé ð-í, ä. Þðîâè÷è, Ìåñòî ñëóæáû: 766 ñï 217 ñä Æàìîéäèê Ñåðãåé Êîíñòàíòèíîâè÷Cîñòîèò èç 5 äîêóìåíòîâ Áàðàíîâè÷ñêàÿ îáë., Äÿòëîâñêèé ð-í, ä. Þðîâè÷è, Ìåñòî ñëóæáû: 217 ñä Æàìîéäèê Çàõàð ßêîâëåâè÷Cîñòîèò èç 4 äîêóìåíòîâ Ãâ. êðàñíîàðìååö, __.__.1912 Áåëîðóññêàÿ ÑÑÐ, Áàðàíîâè÷ñêàÿ îáë., Äÿòëîâñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïîðå÷üå, Ìåñòî ñëóæáû: 221 ãâ. ñï 77 ãâ. ñä Æàìîçäèê Íèêîëàé Ôåäîðîâè÷Cîñòîèò èç 2 äîêóìåíòîâ Ðÿäîâîé, __.__.1925 Áåëîðóññêàÿ ÑÑÐ, Áàðàíîâè÷ñêàÿ îáë., Âîëîæèíñêèé ð-í, ã. Âîëîæèí Æàìîéäèê (Øàìîéäèê) Íèêîëàé Âèêåíòèåâè÷ Êðàñíîàðìååö, __.__.1923 Áåëîðóññêàÿ ÑÑÐ, Ãðîäíåíñêàÿ îáë., Åëüâåíñêèé ð-í, Êîñòðîâè÷åñêèé ñ/ñ, ä. Ëûñêè. ÂÏÏ è ÇÏ Æàìîçäèê Èâàí Ãðèãîðüåâè÷. Îðäåí Îòå÷åñòâåííîé âîéíû II ñòåïåíè __.__.1924 Áåëîðóññêàÿ ÑÑÐ, Ìèíñêàÿ îáë., Âîëîæèíñêèé ð-í, ä. ×åðòîâè÷è. Þáèëåéíàÿ êàðòîòåêà Çàìîñòèê Áîëåñëàâ Ìèõàèëîâè÷ (Ìèõàéëîâè÷) Êðàñíîàðìååö, __.__.1909 Áåëîðóññêàÿ ÑÑÐ, Âèëåéñêàÿ îáë., Áðàñëàâñêèé ð-í, ä. Ëóíè Æàìîèäèê Ñåðãåé Êîíñòàíòèíîâè÷ Êðàñíîàðìååö, __.__.1926, Ìåñòî ñëóæáû: 766 ñï 217 ñä 29 ñê 48 À Æàìîéäèê Àëåêñåé Íèêîëàåâè÷ Êðàñíîàðìååö, __.__.1910 Áåëîðóññêàÿ ÑÑÐ, Áàðàíîâè÷ñêàÿ îáë., Äÿòëîâñêèé ð-í, ä. Ðóñàêè, Ìåñòî ñëóæáû: 342 ñï 136 ñä 70 À 2 ÁåëÔ Çàìîùèê Ýëü Ìååðîâè÷ Ìë. ñåðæàíò, __.__.1925 Áåëîðóññêàÿ ÑÑÐ, Áàðàíîâè÷ñêàÿ îáë., ã. Íîâî-Ãðóäîâêà, Ìåñòî ñëóæáû: 642 ñï 200 ñä è ò.ä. ---
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