Ëèòîâñêèå è ïîëüñêèå ôàìèëèè

severinn íàïèñàë:

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Êàðòû èçîáðåëè â 15 âåêå äëÿ ôðàíöóçñêîãî êîðîëÿ Êàðëà.

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"Playing cards first entered Europe in the late 14th century, probably from Mamluk Egypt, with suits very similar to the tarot suits of Swords, Staves, Cups and Coins (also known as disks, and pentacles) and those still used in traditional Italian, Spanish and Portuguese decks.[8] The first documentary evidence is a ban on their use in 1367, Bern, Switzerland. Wide use of playing cards in Europe can, with some certainty, be traced from 1377 onwards.[9]"

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severinn íàïèñàë:

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Âàëåíòèí, ÷èòàë, ÷òî ïðèäóìàëè äëÿ Êàðëà Áåçóìíîãî (ñì "Êâåðòèí Äîðâàðä" Âàëüòåðà Ñêîòòà), à ýòî 15 âåê.

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Ìàëî ëè ÷åãî Âàëüòåð Ñêîòò íàïèñàë... Ó êàðòî÷íîé èãðû äëèííàÿ èñòîðèÿ. Âðÿä ëè å¸ õîðîøî çíàë øîòëàíäñêèé áåëëåòðèñò

åëåíà øâàíåáàõ íàïèñàë:

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À êòî-íèáóäü èç óâàæàåìûõ ôîðìóì÷àí êîãäà ëèáî ñëûøàë ôàìèëèþ Bucyfer? Ó ìåíÿ â äîêóìåíòàõ îäíà ìîèõ ïðà...áàáîê â íà÷àëå 17 âåêà â Ñìîëåíñêå ïðîõîäèò êàê Zofia Bucyferowna, ïðè÷åì, êàê ìíå îáúÿñíèëè, Bucyferowna íå îò÷åñòâî, à ôàìèëèÿ âèäîèçìåíåííàÿ îò ôàìèëèè îòöà, Bucyfer. ß òàêîé ôàìèëèè íàéòè íå ìîãó.

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Ñêîðåå, Bucyfer âñå æå èìÿ.

Geo Z íàïèñàë:

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severinn íàïèñàë:

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Ñêîðåå, Bucyfer âñå æå èìÿ.

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Ïî÷åìó âû òàê äóìàåòå, ïî-ïîëüñêè òàê ïèøóòñÿ äåâè÷üè ôàìèëèè.

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Áûâàþò íå òîëüêî ïîëüñêèå ôàìèëèè

åëåíà øâàíåáàõ íàïèñàë:

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Zofia Bucyferowna

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À ýòî ÿâíî ïî ôîðìå ïîëüñêàÿ çàïèñü, ãäå ówna (óâíà) - îêîí÷àíèå äåâè÷üåé ôàìèëèè.