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livza íàïèñàë:[q] Òîìó ìîæíà ùå ïðèïóñòèòè é òàêó âåðñ³þ: "÷èðâ" - öå ÷èðÿê. Îñü òàêå ïð³çâèñüêî øâèäøå "ïðèëèïíå" äî ëþäèíè, í³æ ìàñòü êàðòè. [/q]
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×è âîíè òàêîæ "ç ÷èðÿêàìè"? [/q]
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[q] ïîëüñêàÿ ôàìèèÿ Czyrw [/q]
Åñëè ïîëüñêàÿ, òî ìîæåò èçìåí¸ííàÿ îò "ñzårw" = ÷åðâÿê.
Âîçìîæíî, óñå÷¸ííîå òî ×èðâà/×åðâà.  óêðàèíñêîì ÿçûêå "÷è/å/ðâà" = ìàñòü â êàðòàõ.
 Óêðàèíå íîñèòåëåé ôàìèëèè ×èðâà - 4446 ÷åë, ×åðâà - 48 ÷åë.
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×èðâà - â³äîìèé êîçàöüêèé ð³ä. Òîä³ ó "ï³äêèäíîãî äóðàêà" ùå íå ãðàëè! [/q]
Êàðòû èçîáðåëè â 15 âåêå äëÿ ôðàíöóçñêîãî êîðîëÿ Êàðëà. À "èçâåñòíûé êîçàöêèé ðîä â 15 âåêå" - ïðîñüáà íàçâàòü õîòÿ áû îäèí ! | | |
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11 àâãóñòà 2010 19:53 severinn íàïèñàë: [q]
Êàðòû èçîáðåëè â 15 âåêå äëÿ ôðàíöóçñêîãî êîðîëÿ Êàðëà.
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"Playing cards first entered Europe in the late 14th century, probably from Mamluk Egypt, with suits very similar to the tarot suits of Swords, Staves, Cups and Coins (also known as disks, and pentacles) and those still used in traditional Italian, Spanish and Portuguese decks.[8] T he first documentary evidence is a ban on their use in 1367, Bern, Switzerland. Wide use of playing cards in Europe can, with some certainty, be traced from 1377 onwards.[9]" Nothing personal, just a few lines  ---
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11 àâãóñòà 2010 20:00 Âàëåíòèí, ÷èòàë, ÷òî ïðèäóìàëè äëÿ Êàðëà Áåçóìíîãî (ñì "Êâåðòèí Äîðâàðä" Âàëüòåðà Ñêîòòà), à ýòî 15 âåê. | | |
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11 àâãóñòà 2010 20:07 severinn íàïèñàë: [q]
Âàëåíòèí, ÷èòàë, ÷òî ïðèäóìàëè äëÿ Êàðëà Áåçóìíîãî (ñì "Êâåðòèí Äîðâàðä" Âàëüòåðà Ñêîòòà), à ýòî 15 âåê. [/q]
Ìàëî ëè ÷åãî Âàëüòåð Ñêîòò íàïèñàë... Ó êàðòî÷íîé èãðû äëèííàÿ èñòîðèÿ. Âðÿä ëè å¸ õîðîøî çíàë øîòëàíäñêèé áåëëåòðèñò  ---
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11 àâãóñòà 2010 20:10 À êòî-íèáóäü èç óâàæàåìûõ ôîðìóì÷àí êîãäà ëèáî ñëûøàë ôàìèëèþ Bucyfer? Ó ìåíÿ â äîêóìåíòàõ îäíà ìîèõ ïðà...áàáîê â íà÷àëå 17 âåêà â Ñìîëåíñêå ïðîõîäèò êàê Zofia Bucyferowna, ïðè÷åì, êàê ìíå îáúÿñíèëè, Bucyferowna íå îò÷åñòâî, à ôàìèëèÿ âèäîèçìåíåííàÿ îò ôàìèëèè îòöà, Bucyfer. ß òàêîé ôàìèëèè íàéòè íå ìîãó. ---
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11 àâãóñòà 2010 20:23 åëåíà øâàíåáàõ íàïèñàë: [q] À êòî-íèáóäü èç óâàæàåìûõ ôîðìóì÷àí êîãäà ëèáî ñëûøàë ôàìèëèþ Bucyfer? Ó ìåíÿ â äîêóìåíòàõ îäíà ìîèõ ïðà...áàáîê â íà÷àëå 17 âåêà â Ñìîëåíñêå ïðîõîäèò êàê Zofia Bucyferowna, ïðè÷åì, êàê ìíå îáúÿñíèëè, Bucyferowna íå îò÷åñòâî, à ôàìèëèÿ âèäîèçìåíåííàÿ îò ôàìèëèè îòöà, Bucyfer. ß òàêîé ôàìèëèè íàéòè íå ìîãó. [/q]
Ñêîðåå, Bucyfer âñå æå èìÿ. | | |
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11 àâãóñòà 2010 20:26 severinn íàïèñàë: [q] Ñêîðåå, Bucyfer âñå æå èìÿ.[/q]
Ïî÷åìó âû òàê äóìàåòå, ïî-ïîëüñêè òàê ïèøóòñÿ äåâè÷üè ôàìèëèè. | | |
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[q] Ñêîðåå, Bucyfer âñå æå èìÿ.[/q]
Ïî÷åìó âû òàê äóìàåòå, ïî-ïîëüñêè òàê ïèøóòñÿ äåâè÷üè ôàìèëèè. [/q]
Áûâàþò íå òîëüêî ïîëüñêèå ôàìèëèè | | |
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11 àâãóñòà 2010 20:34 åëåíà øâàíåáàõ íàïèñàë: [q]
À êòî-íèáóäü èç óâàæàåìûõ ôîðìóì÷àí êîãäà ëèáî ñëûøàë ôàìèëèþ Bucyfer? Ó ìåíÿ â äîêóìåíòàõ îäíà ìîèõ ïðà...áàáîê â íà÷àëå 17 âåêà â Ñìîëåíñêå ïðîõîäèò êàê Zofia Bucyferowna, ïðè÷åì, êàê ìíå îáúÿñíèëè, Bucyferowna íå îò÷åñòâî, à ôàìèëèÿ âèäîèçìåíåííàÿ îò ôàìèëèè îòöà, Bucyfer. ß òàêîé ôàìèëèè íàéòè íå ìîãó. [/q]
Âðÿä ëè òàêàÿ ôàìèëèÿ ñîõðàíèëàñü. Ïî âñåé âèäèìîñòè, îíà ïëîä ïðèáàâëåíèÿ ê ôàìèëèè Áóö ÷àñòèöû ôåð (íåñóùèé) Ôàìèëèè Áóö, Áóöûê, Áóöàê - âåñüìà ðàñïðîñòðàíåíû ñðåäè ïîëÿêîâ, óêðàèíöåâ è áåëîðóñîâ  ---
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