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| Niki Íà÷èíàþùèé
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2004 23:54
Äî ýòîãî ÿ çàíèìàëàñü òîëüêî êðåñòüÿíñêî-ìàñòåðîâîé ÷àñòüþ ìîåãî äðåâà, à òåïåðü âîò âðîäå ïðèøëî âðåìÿ âçÿòüñÿ çà ïðåäêîâ-ñâÿùåííèêîâ...  ñâÿçè ñ ýòèì âîïðîñ: ïî êàêèì äîêóìåíòàì ëó÷øå èñêàòü? Áóäó ðàñêàïûâàòü ñ 1 äàòû - äàòû ðîæäåíèÿ ïðàäåäà. À ïîòîì - êëèðîâûå âåäîìîñòè ñìîòðåòü ïðî åãî îòöà? Èëè â ïîñåìåéíûõ ñïèñêàõ îíè áóäóò ïðîïèñàíû? Íî íè òîãî, íè äðóãîãî ìîæåò íå îêàçàòüñÿ (ñóäÿ ïî ïðîøëîìó îïûòó). Íàñ÷åò ðåâèçñêèõ ñêàçîê, íàñêîëüêî ïîíèìàþ, íåò òàì ñâÿùåííèêîâ... Îïèøèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ãðàæäàíå, íà êàêèå äîêóìåíòû ëó÷øå íàäåÿòüñÿ, âîîáùå - êàêîâû îñîáåííîñòè èññëåäîâàíèÿ ðîäîñëîâíîé ñâÿùåííèêîâ. Áóäó î÷åíü áëàãîäàðíà! ---
ñâÿùåííèêè Ïåðìñêîé, Âÿòñêîé è Ðÿçàíñêîé ãóáåðíèé - Äüÿêîíîâû, Ïîêðîâñêèå, Óäèíöåâû, Ïèíåãèíû, Àââàêóìîâû ; ìàñòåðîâûå óðàëüñêèõ çàâîäîâ - Øåèíû, Ëèõà÷åâû, Øàòîâû, Åðìàêîâû, Êóòèíû ; èç íûíåøíåé ×óâàøèè - Áåëîêóðîâû , èç Êîñòðîìñêîé - Ðîìàíîâû, Âîðîíîâû | | Ëàéê (3) |
| Robert Staurowsky Íîâè÷îê
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23 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2006 2:40 [b]Ñòàðãàçåð[/b]
Õîw òî òóðí îôô òðàíñëèò? Ïëåàñå àäâèñå ---
Robert Staurowsky | | |
| Edween
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23 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2006 9:36 Robert Staurowskyá there is a tag "Ïðèìåíÿòü äåòðàíñëèòåðàöèþ àâòîìàòè÷åñêè êî âñåì ñîîáùåíèÿì?" in your profile. Turn it off. I've received your message. You may wish to check this resource: http://www.petergen.com/bovkalo/index.html , there is a lot on clergy and their ancestry. ---
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Ïîäãàéñêèå, Áîíäàðåâû, Ìóäðîëþáîâû, Ãðÿêîëîâû, Íîâèêîâû, Èíþøèíû, Áåëîâû, Èñààêîâû/Èñàêîâû, Êóðãàíîâû, Áåëÿåâû, Ñèíÿâèíû, Äåìèäîâû, Øåëÿêèíû, Ôåäîñååâû - ïèøèòå! Ãåîãðàôè÷åñêèå ïîäðîáíîñòè - â ïðîôèëå... | | |
Gontarñåìåéíûé èñòîðèê  Saint Petersburg Ñîîáùåíèé: 2029 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2903 | Íàâåðõ ##
25 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2006 15:11 Edween
ñòàóðîñ ýòî ñòîëá ---
Val
Íàì òðóäíî, à êîãäà áûëî ëåãêî? | | |
| Edween
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26 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2006 11:01 26 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2006 11:03 Gontar,
stauros [st¨ºnai]
I. an upright pale or stake, Hom., etc.: of piles driven in to serve as a foundation, Hdt., Thuc.
II. the Cross, NTest.: its form was represented by the Greek letter T, Luc.
ò.å. íîâîçàâåòíûé "stauros" - âñå-òàêè "êðåñò"... ---
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Ïîäãàéñêèå, Áîíäàðåâû, Ìóäðîëþáîâû, Ãðÿêîëîâû, Íîâèêîâû, Èíþøèíû, Áåëîâû, Èñààêîâû/Èñàêîâû, Êóðãàíîâû, Áåëÿåâû, Ñèíÿâèíû, Äåìèäîâû, Øåëÿêèíû, Ôåäîñååâû - ïèøèòå! Ãåîãðàôè÷åñêèå ïîäðîáíîñòè - â ïðîôèëå... | | |
Ewe Ñîîáùåíèé: 640 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 397 | Íàâåðõ ##
26 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2006 13:08 26 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2006 13:09 Ñòàâðîñ - îò ãðå÷."äåðåâî", äðåâî Õðèñòîâî, ò.å.êðåñò, íà êîòîðîì áûë ðàñïÿò Õðèñòîñ
Stauros - from the Greek "stauro" - holy tree, i.e. The Cross on which Christ was crucified. ---
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| mi Íîâè÷îê
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30 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2006 20:46ïîèñê õîòåëîñü áû íàéòè äîïîëíèòåëüíûå ñâåäåíèÿ î ìîåé äâîþðîäíîé áàáóøêå. ìîæåò êòî òî ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü èëè ïîäñêàæåò êàê èñêàòü. Îðåõîâà Àííà Èâàíîâíà âûøëà çàìóæ çà ñâÿùåííèêà îòöà Ô¸äîðà. Öåðêîâü áûëà íåäàëåêî îò ãîðîäà Ãîðîõîâåö, â Ãàëèöàõ. Öåðêîâü áûëà ñòàðàÿ, ïðèìåðíî 12-14 âåêà ïîñòðîéêè. Îòåö Ô¸äîð óìåð ðàíüøå Îðåõîâîé Àííû Èâàíîâíû. ó íå¸ áûëà äî÷ü êàæåòñÿ Ãàëèíà. ---
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| Ilia Íà÷èíàþùèé
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1 îêòÿáðÿ 2006 1:40 Î÷åíü ðàä, ÷òî íàøåë ýòîò ôîðóì. Ìîæåò êòî-íèáóäü çàíèìàåòñÿ ïîèñêîì ïî Ñàìàðñêîé, Îðåíáóðãñêîé, Óôèìñêîé åïàðõèÿì (Ïåòðîïàâëîâñêèå, Âîëæåíñêèå, ßáëîíñêèå)?
Îáðàùàþñü ê ñòàðîæèëàì ôîðóìà. Íóæíà Âàøà ïîìîùü!
Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ãîñàðõèâ Ñàìàðñêîé îáëàñòè ñîîáùèë íà îñíîâàíèè êëèðîâûõ âåäîìîñòåé, ÷òî ìîé ïðàïðà..äåä Ïåòðîïàâëîâñêèé Èîàíí Èîàííîâè÷, 1825 ã.ð.
îêîí÷èë Îðåíáóðãñêóþ ñåìèíàðèþ 8 àâãóñòà 1848ã ñ àòòåñòàòîì 2-ãî ðàçðÿäà è áûë ðóêîïîëîæåí â ñàí ñâÿùåííèêà.
Íà ìîé çàïðîñ î îáó÷åíèè â ñåìèíàðèè ãîñàðõèâ Îðåíáóðãñêîé îáëàñòè ñîîáùèë, ÷òî "Îðåíáóðãñêàÿ äóõîâíàÿ ñåìèíàðèÿ áûëà îòêðûòà òîëüêî 26 àâãóñòà 1884 ãîäà".,
ò.å. â Îðåíáóðãå â 1848ã íå áûëî ñåìèíàðèè.
Ìîãëà ëè Îðåíáóðãñêàÿ ñåìèíàðèÿ â 1848ã íàõîäèòüñÿ â äðóãîì ãîðîäå, íàïðèìåð Óôå èëè Êàçàíè?
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èùó Ïåòðîïàâëîâñêèé, Âîëæåíñêèé , Íàáîêîâ ( Ñàìàðñêàÿ, Ñàðàòîâñêàÿ è Îðåíáóðãñêàÿ îáëàñòü )
Õëàïîâ ( Ñìîëåíñêàÿ îáëàñòü )
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| Greg
Ìîñêâà
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1 îêòÿáðÿ 2006 5:58 Ilia, ïðàâèëüíî, èìåííî â Óôå. | | |
| Ilia Íà÷èíàþùèé
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1 îêòÿáðÿ 2006 13:02 Greg, ñïàñèáî çà ïîäñêàçêó, òîëüêî ñíîâà ïðîáëåìà: â Óôå ñåìèíàðèÿ îòêðûòà â 1800, à â àðõèâå Áàøêèðèè â ôîíäå Óôèìñêîé äóõîâíîé ñåìèíàðèè åñòü äîêóìåíòû òîëüêî ñ 1860ã. Îïÿòü òóïèê.  Ñëîæíîñòü åùå â òîì, ÷òî â åãî êëèðîâîé âåäîìîñòè óêàçàí òîëüêî âîçðàñò, íî íå óêàçàíî ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ. È â Ñàìàðñêîì àðõèâå îòêàçûâàþòñÿ èñêàòü åãî äàííûå î ðîæäåíèè. Êòî-íèáóäü ñòàëêèâàëñÿ ñ òàêîé ñèòóàöèåé? ---
èùó Ïåòðîïàâëîâñêèé, Âîëæåíñêèé , Íàáîêîâ ( Ñàìàðñêàÿ, Ñàðàòîâñêàÿ è Îðåíáóðãñêàÿ îáëàñòü )
Õëàïîâ ( Ñìîëåíñêàÿ îáëàñòü )
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Nathalie Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 3959 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2005 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 23114 | Íàâåðõ ##
1 îêòÿáðÿ 2006 13:52 Ilia
À íà îñíîâàíèè êàêèõ äàííûõ Ñàìàðñêèé àðõèâ ìîæåò èñêàòü ìåòðè÷åñêèå çàïèñè? Âàì æå ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ íåèçâåñòíî.
Åäèíñòâåííîå, ÷òî ÿ áû ïîïðîáîâàëà - çàêàçàòü êëèðîâûå âåäîìîñòè ïî òîìó ïðèõîäó, ãäå ñëóæèë Âàø ïðàïðà...äåä çà áîëåå ðàííèå ãîäû. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî â 19 âåêå, îñîáåííî â ïåðâîé åãî ïîëîâèíå, ïðèõîä ÷àñòî ïåðåõîäèë ïî íàñëåäñòâó, ïî æåíñêîé èëè ìóæñêîé ëèíèè. Âî âñÿêîì ñëó÷àå, ÿ â ñâîèõ ïîèñêàõ ñòîëêíóëàñü èìåííî ñ òàêîé ñèòóàöèåé. Êîíå÷íî, ýòî íå âñåãäà òàê áûëî, íî íåêîòîðàÿ âåðîÿòíîñòü âñ¸ æå ñóùåñòâóåò. | | |
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