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Ñîîáùåíèé: 23 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 9 | Ââåðõ #16 íîÿáðÿ 2003 12:30 [q] Ôèíëÿíäèÿ (ôèí. Suomi, øâåä. Finland, ïðîèçíîøåíèå íà îáîèõ ÿçûêàõ (èíô.); îôèöèàëüíî — Ôèíëÿ́íäñêàÿ Ðåñïó́áëèêà, ôèí. Suomen tasavalta, øâåä. Republiken Finland[5]) — ãîñóäàðñòâî â Ñåâåðíîé Åâðîïå íà âîñòî÷íîì ïîáåðåæüå Áàëòèéñêîãî ìîðÿ. Íà âîñòîêå ãðàíè÷èò ñ Ðîññèåé è âõîäÿùåé â å¸ ñîñòàâ ðåñïóáëèêîé Êàðåëèåé, íà ñåâåðå ñ Íîðâåãèåé è íà çàïàäå ñî Øâåöèåé. Íà þãå áëèæàéøèì ñîñåäîì ÿâëÿåòñÿ Ýñòîíèÿ ê þãó îò Ôèíñêîãî çàëèâà. Ñòîëèöà è êðóïíåéøèé ãîðîä Ôèíëÿíäèè — Õåëüñèíêè. Âèêèïåäèß
[/q] Íàöèîíàëüíûé àðõèâ Ôèíëÿíäèè Ïåðåïîñò >>>>ÀÒÄ ÔèíëÿíäèèÒåððèòîðèÿ Ôèíëÿíäèè äåëèòñÿ íà ðåãèîíû (ôèí. maakunnat/øâåä. landskap), ðåãèîíû íà ãîðîäà (ôèí. kaupunki/øâåä. stad) è êîììóíû (ôèí. kunta/øâåä. kommun).
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| Orvokki Íà÷èíàþùèé
Ñîîáùåíèé: 31 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24 | Ââåðõ #9 àïðåëÿ 2017 11:35 Aili and her friend were looking for adventure. They went over the border and get arrested. It was not aim to go to Russia but it was too late when they were arrested.
I got one picture from a book. It is Hilkka (the friend of Aili) and her sons. Hilkka moved back to Finland 1995 and her children moved back to Finland later. Hilkka died 2004. I try to search her children also but I don't find. Hilkka is not your relative but maybe her children can tell you something about Aili.
The text which is below the picture is the same story what I have told you. I cannot put the picture here. It is not working. I don't know the reason. I will try to solve the problem.
Aili è åå ïîäðóãà èñêàëè ïðèêëþ÷åíèé. Îíè ïåðåøëè ãðàíèöó è àðåñòîâàíû. Öåëü íå áûëà â Ðîññèè, íî áûëî ïîçäíî, êîãäà îíè áûëè àðåñòîâàíû.
Ó ìåíÿ åñòü îäíà ôîòîãðàôèÿ èç êíèãè. Ýòî Hilkka (äðóã Aili) è åå ñûíîâüÿ. Hilkka âåðíóëàñü â Ôèíëÿíäèþ â 1995 ãîäó, à åå äåòè ïîçæå âåðíóëèñü â Ôèíëÿíäèþ. Hilkka óìåðëà â 2004 ãîäó. ß òîæå ïûòàþñü îáûñêàòü åå äåòåé, íî íå íàõîæó. Hilkka íå òâîé ðîäñòâåííèê, íî, âîçìîæíî, åå äåòè ìîãóò ðàññêàçàòü òåáå êîå-÷òî îá Àéëè.
Òåêñò, êîòîðûé íàõîäèòñÿ íèæå ðèñóíêà, - ýòî òà æå ñàìàÿ èñòîðèÿ, ÷òî ÿ ñêàçàë âàì. ß íå ìîãó ïîñòàâèòü ôîòîãðàôèþ çäåñü. Ýòî íå ðàáîòàåò. ß íå çíàþ ïðè÷èíó. ß ïîñòàðàþñü ðåøèòü ïðîáëåìó.
--- ß èùó Êóìïóìÿêè / Êóìïóìàêè / Êóìïóìèàêè / Kumpumäki | | |
msv120471Íà÷èíàþùèé  Âîëîãäà Ñîîáùåíèé: 32 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13 | Ââåðõ #9 àïðåëÿ 2017 11:36 11 àïðåëÿ 2017 18:20 arcobaleno - ñïàñèáî çà ññûëêó. Äà, ÿ ñëûøàë îò áàáóøêèíîé ñåñòðû, ÷òî êàê-òî, äåä Àðâè ðàññêàçûâàë åé, ÷òî ïîäâåðãñÿ âëèÿíèþ êîììóíèñòè÷åñêèõ âçãëÿäîâ íà ðîäèíå â Ôèíëÿíäèè. È ÷òî âåðèë, ÷òî â Ñîâåòñêîì Ñîþçå, âñåõ ëþäåé æä¸ò ñâåòëîå áóäóùåå...  Ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî â ýòèõ äåëàõ, ðå÷ü èä¸ò î êàêèõ-òî äàëüíèõ ðîäñòâåííèêàõ äåäà. Âèäèìî â ïðèãðàíè÷íîé òåððèòîðèè Ôèíëÿíäèè, áûëè î÷åíü ðàçâèòû ïîäïîëüíûå êðóæêè ïðî êîììóíèñòè÷åñêîãî íàïðàâëåíèÿ... Îñîáåííî âëèÿþùèå íà óì ìîëî䏿è. Íî òîëüêî ÿ íå ïîéìó è òîâ. Ñòàëèíà ñ åãî êîìàíäîé. Çà÷åì àãèòèðîâàòü ëþäåé íà ñîïðåäåëüíûõ òåððèòîðèÿõ, (îíè ïîâåðèëè â ñîâåòñêèå èäåàëû, â ýòî âëîæåíû îïðåäåë¸ííûå óñèëèÿ è äåíåæíûå ñðåäñòâà), ÷òî-áû èõ òóò-æå ðåïðåññèðîâàòü? Ýòî ïîëíàÿ äóðü, è íåïîíÿòêà... Åñëè "òû", ñîáðàëñÿ âîåâàòü ñ ýòèì ãîñóäàðñòâîì, (îòêóäà ê òåáå ïðèø¸ë íàðîä), òî âûãîäíî ñ ýòèìè ãðàæäàíàìè âåñòè íîðìàëüíîå îáùåíèå íà áóäóùåå. (Ê ïðèìåðó, òàê ïîñòóïàëè íåìöû íà îêêóïèðîâàííûõ òåððèòîðèÿõ, îíè íàîáîðîò, âñÿ÷åñêè ïîääåðæèâàëè ëþäåé ïîâåðèâøèõ â Ôþðåðà). Çà÷åì èõ âñåõ ïîãîëîâíî, òóò-æå ñàäèòü â òþðüìó? Íà áîëüøèå ñðîêè, ê òîìó-æå, íåñîâåðøåííîëåòíèõ. À ïîñëå ýòîãî âûñûëàòü â ññûëêó? Ëîãèêè ñîâñåì íåò. --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà). | | |
msv120471Íà÷èíàþùèé  Âîëîãäà Ñîîáùåíèé: 32 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13 | Ââåðõ #9 àïðåëÿ 2017 11:46 Orvokki - ñïàñèáî çà èíôîðìàöèþ! --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà). | | |
ArcobalenoÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ïñêîâ Ñîîáùåíèé: 2781 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4600 | Ââåðõ #9 àïðåëÿ 2017 11:57 msv120471
Ïîñûëàþ Âàì ñòðàíèöó èç êíèãè ïî ïðîñüáå Orvokki
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ÔÅÄÎÐÎÂÛ (ÁÎËÜØÀÊÎÂÛ) - Ïñêîâñê.ó., ä.Çàãîðüå
ËÀÊÌÀÍ, ÂÀËÈÓÑ, ËÈÑÒÅÍÈÓÑ, ÒÎËÈÀÍÄÅÐ, ÂÅÍÄÀËÈÓÑ, ÁÓËÈÕ - Ôèíëÿíäèÿ
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msv120471Íà÷èíàþùèé  Âîëîãäà Ñîîáùåíèé: 32 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13 | Ââåðõ #9 àïðåëÿ 2017 14:01 11 àïðåëÿ 2017 18:17 Ìîëîäåö Hilkka, (ïîäðóãà ñåñòðû äåäà), ÷òî âåðíóëàñü. Óñïåëà õîòü äåñÿòîê ëåò ïîæèòü íà ðîäèíå. Ýòî ëó÷øèé âàðèàíò. Äåäà ñâîåãî êîíå÷íî æàëêî. Ó íåãî áûëî "áåç øàíñîâ"... Òàê, êàê îí óìåð â 1989 ãîäó, òîãäà çàãðàíèöà, åù¸ áûëà íàãëóõî çàêðûòà. (Äà è ïðî ïîñòàíîâëåíèå ÂÑ ÐÑÔÑÐ, îí ïðåêðàñíî ïîìíèë, â êîòîðîì áûâøèì ôèííàì, áûëî çàïðåùåíî ïðèåçæàòü â Ëåíèíãðàäñêóþ îáëàñòü.) È ïî èòîãó, ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû ñâîåé æèçíè, îí ïðîâ¸ë òóò, â Âîëîãäå. --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà). | | |
alyraÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Suomi Ñîîáùåíèé: 1265 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 330 | Ââåðõ #10 àïðåëÿ 2017 8:42 Íà ñòðàíèöàõ ÂÃÄ òîëüêî î ðîäîñëîâíîé è íèêàêîé ïîëèòèêè. --- èùó Õàéêàðà Ìåõèëÿéíåí Õàéìè Ðîíêîíåí Ïóêêè Õÿííèêÿéíåí | | |
msv120471Íà÷èíàþùèé  Âîëîãäà Ñîîáùåíèé: 32 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13 | Ââåðõ #11 àïðåëÿ 2017 18:15 Ñîãëàñåí. Îòðåäàêòèðîâàë ïîñëåäíèé ïîñò, óáðàâ êîå-êàêèå ìûñëè âñëóõ. --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà). | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 31 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24 | Ââåðõ #17 àïðåëÿ 2017 13:26 17 àïðåëÿ 2017 13:28 I have tried to talk with many person who has relatives from Kivennapa. But unfortunately I cannot find close relatives of Arvi. Closest what I found has same forefather 4-5 generation backwards from Arvi. He don't remember Arvi. Now You have these choise: 1. You can write to Mikkeli archive and ask certificate brothers and sisters of Arvi and their children. I told You that Antti, Arvi and Aili has gone to Russia. Those you can search in Russia. There is still Juho, Aina and maybe other, if there is more children after 1920. (Aili was born after Arvi.) This certificate you have to pay. Price list. http://www.arkisto.fi/fi/info/hinnastoI can help you to write there, if you want. But you have to pay yourself. 2. There is magazine called "Kivennapalainen". One person said to me that they can write a story about Arvi and so called "public search" if you want. I think this is free. 3. Kivennapa has also an annual meeting called "Kihut". This year it is in Tampere 5.8.-6.8. You can try to go there and search Your relatives. There is more information about Kihut: http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?p=24844. Kivennapa people travel to Russia also. There is next meeting in Russia 20.5.-22.5. Kivennapa and Terijoki and another meeting 30.6.-2.7. Kivennapa and Viipuri. You can go there and try to ask to meet relatives. ß ïûòàëñÿ ïîãîâîðèòü ñî ìíîãèìè ëþäüìè, ó êîòîðûõ åñòü ðîäñòâåííèêè èç Êèâåííàïû. Íî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ÿ íå ìîãó íàéòè áëèçêèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ Àðâè. Ñàìîå áëèçêîå, ÷òî ÿ íàøåë, - ýòî òîò æå ïðàäåä 4-5 ïîêîëåíèé íàçàä îò Àðâè. Àðâè íå ïîìíèò. Òåïåðü ó âàñ åñòü âûáîð: 1. Âû ìîæåòå íàïèñàòü â àðõèâ Ìèêêåëè è ñïðîñèòü ñâèäåòåëåé áðàòüåâ è ñåñòåð Arvi è èõ äåòåé. ß ñêàçàë âàì, ÷òî Antti, Arvi è Aili îòïðàâèëèñü â Ðîññèþ. Òå, êîòîðûå âû ìîæåòå èñêàòü â Ðîññèè. Åñòü åùå Juho, Àina è, ìîæåò áûòü, äðóãàÿ, åñëè ïîñëå 1920 ãîäà ïîÿâèëîñü áîëüøå äåòåé. (Àili ðîäèëñÿ ïîñëå Àrvi.) Ýòîò ñåðòèôèêàò âû äîëæíû çàïëàòèòü. Ïðåéñêóðàíò. Http://www.arkisto.fi/fi/info/hinnastoÌîãó ïîìî÷ü âàì íàïèñàòü òàì, åñëè õîòèòå. Íî âû äîëæíû ïëàòèòü ñàìè. 2. Åñòü æóðíàë ïîä íàçâàíèåì «Êèâåííàïàëàéíåí». Îäèí ÷åëîâåê ñêàçàë ìíå, ÷òî îíè ìîãóò íàïèñàòü ðàññêàç îá Àðâè è òàê íàçûâàåìîì «îáùåñòâåííîì ïîèñêå», åñëè õîòèòå. ß äóìàþ, ÷òî ýòî áåñïëàòíî. 3. Êèâåííàïà òàêæå ïðîâîäèò åæåãîäíîå ñîáðàíèå ïîä íàçâàíèåì «Êèõóò».  ýòîì ãîäó îí íàõîäèòñÿ â Òàìïåðå 5.8.-6.8. Âû ìîæåòå ïîïûòàòüñÿ ïîéòè òóäà è îáûñêàòü ñâîèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Äîïîëíèòåëüíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î Kihut: http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?p=24844. Ëþäè Êèâåííàïû òàêæå ïóòåøåñòâóþò â Ðîññèþ. Ñëåäóþùàÿ âñòðå÷à â Ðîññèè 20.5.-22.5. Êèâåííàïà è Òåðèéîêè è åùå îäíî ñîâåùàíèå 30.6 - 2.7. Êèâåííàïà è Âèéïóðè. Âû ìîæåòå ïîéòè òóäà è ïîïûòàòüñÿ ïîïðîñèòü âñòðåòèòüñÿ ñ ðîäñòâåííèêàìè. --- ß èùó Êóìïóìÿêè / Êóìïóìàêè / Êóìïóìèàêè / Kumpumäki | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 31 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24 | Ââåðõ #17 àïðåëÿ 2017 15:13 17 àïðåëÿ 2017 15:17 Orvokki íàïèñàë: [q] Ìîãó ïîìî÷ü âàì íàïèñàòü òàì, åñëè õîòèòå. Íî âû äîëæíû ïëàòèòü ñàìè. [/q]
I mean, you have to pay for the archive. You do not need to pay me. ß èìåþ â âèäó, âû äîëæíû çàïëàòèòü çà àðõèâ. Âàì íå íóæíî ïëàòèòü ìíå. --- ß èùó Êóìïóìÿêè / Êóìïóìàêè / Êóìïóìèàêè / Kumpumäki | | |
msv120471Íà÷èíàþùèé  Âîëîãäà Ñîîáùåíèé: 32 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13 | Ââåðõ #18 àïðåëÿ 2017 17:54 18 àïðåëÿ 2017 17:56 Orvokki - ñïàñèáî. ß ïîíÿë, ÷òî çà óñëóãè àðõèâà. À ñòàòüþ â ãàçåòó, ÿ äóìàþ ìîæíî ðàçìåñòèòü. À ãäå áóäåò â Ðîññèè, âñòðå÷à æèòåëåé áûâøåé òåððèòîðèè Ôèíëÿíäèè? ß íå äî ïîíÿë ýòîãî. Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî ëþäåé ïîìíÿùèõ Àðâè æèâîãî, ñåé÷àñ íå íàéòè, â ñâÿçè ñ áîëüøèì âðåìåííûì îòðåçêîì. Ìíîãî ëåò óæå ïðîøëî. Íî êîãî íèáóäü èç ðîäñòâåííèêîâ, (äåòåé, âíóêîâ), ÿ-áû íå îòêàçàëñÿ óâèäåòü, õîòÿ-áû äëÿ ïåðåïèñêè â ñîöèàëüíûõ ñåòÿõ. Î âñòðå÷å â æèâóþ, ÿ óæå íå ìå÷òàþ îñîáî... --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà). | | |
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Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî îòäåëüíûì íàñåëåííûì ìåñòàì è ñâîèì ëè÷íûì ïîèñêàì îòêðûâàéòå òåìû â ôàìèëüíûõ èëè äíåâíèêîâûõ ðàçäåëàõ. Ñïèñêè íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò ïî ñòðàíàì îãðîìíû è æåëàþùèõ îòêðûòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òåìû ìíîãî. Äîïóñêàåòñÿ ðàçáèâêà â ðàçäåëå ïî ðåãèîíàì, ãîðîäàì, êîììóíàì. Ïðîñüáà - ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîé ñõåìû.