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Íà ñàéòå ÂÃÄ ñîáèðàþòñÿ ëþäè, óâëå÷åííûå ãåíåàëîãèåé, èñòîðèåé, ãåðàëüäèêîé è ò.ä. Çäåñü âû íàéäåòå ñîáåñåäíèêîâ, ýêñïåðòîâ, óìåëûõ ïîìîùíèêîâ â ïîèñêàõ ïðåäêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Âàì ïîäñêàæóò ãäå èñêàòü äîêóìåíòû î ïàâøèõ â áîÿõ è ïðîïàâøèõ áåç âåñòè, â êàêîé àðõèâ îáðàòèòüñÿ ïðè èññëåäîâàíèè ðîäîñëîâíîé ñâîåé ñåìüè, ïîìîãóò îïðåäåëèòü ïî ñòàðîé ôîòîãðàôèè ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê âîèíñêèì ÷àñòÿì, âåäîìñòâàì è ÷èíó. ÂÃÄ - ïîèñê ëþäåé â ïðîøëîì, íàñòîÿùåì è áóäóùåì!
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Ôèíëÿíäèÿ (ôèí. Suomi, øâåä. Finland, ïðîèçíîøåíèå íà îáîèõ ÿçûêàõ (èíô.); îôèöèàëüíî — Ôèíëÿ́íäñêàÿ Ðåñïó́áëèêà, ôèí. Suomen tasavalta, øâåä. Republiken Finland[5]) — ãîñóäàðñòâî â Ñåâåðíîé Åâðîïå íà âîñòî÷íîì ïîáåðåæüå Áàëòèéñêîãî ìîðÿ. Íà âîñòîêå ãðàíè÷èò ñ Ðîññèåé è âõîäÿùåé â å¸ ñîñòàâ ðåñïóáëèêîé Êàðåëèåé, íà ñåâåðå ñ Íîðâåãèåé è íà çàïàäå ñî Øâåöèåé. Íà þãå áëèæàéøèì ñîñåäîì ÿâëÿåòñÿ Ýñòîíèÿ ê þãó îò Ôèíñêîãî çàëèâà. Ñòîëèöà è êðóïíåéøèé ãîðîä Ôèíëÿíäèè — Õåëüñèíêè.
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arcobaleno - ñïàñèáî çà ññûëêó. Äà, ÿ ñëûøàë îò áàáóøêèíîé ñåñòðû, ÷òî êàê-òî, äåä Àðâè ðàññêàçûâàë åé, ÷òî ïîäâåðãñÿ âëèÿíèþ êîììóíèñòè÷åñêèõ âçãëÿäîâ íà ðîäèíå â Ôèíëÿíäèè. È ÷òî âåðèë, ÷òî â Ñîâåòñêîì Ñîþçå, âñåõ ëþäåé æä¸ò ñâåòëîå áóäóùåå... boomboom.gif cray.gif Ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî â ýòèõ äåëàõ, ðå÷ü èä¸ò î êàêèõ-òî äàëüíèõ ðîäñòâåííèêàõ äåäà.
Âèäèìî â ïðèãðàíè÷íîé òåððèòîðèè Ôèíëÿíäèè, áûëè î÷åíü ðàçâèòû ïîäïîëüíûå êðóæêè ïðî êîììóíèñòè÷åñêîãî íàïðàâëåíèÿ... Îñîáåííî âëèÿþùèå íà óì ìîëî䏿è. sad.gif dntknw.gif
Íî òîëüêî ÿ íå ïîéìó è òîâ. Ñòàëèíà ñ åãî êîìàíäîé. Çà÷åì àãèòèðîâàòü ëþäåé íà ñîïðåäåëüíûõ òåððèòîðèÿõ, (îíè ïîâåðèëè â ñîâåòñêèå èäåàëû, â ýòî âëîæåíû îïðåäåë¸ííûå óñèëèÿ è äåíåæíûå ñðåäñòâà), ÷òî-áû èõ òóò-æå ðåïðåññèðîâàòü? Ýòî ïîëíàÿ äóðü, è íåïîíÿòêà... Åñëè "òû", ñîáðàëñÿ âîåâàòü ñ ýòèì ãîñóäàðñòâîì, (îòêóäà ê òåáå ïðèø¸ë íàðîä), òî âûãîäíî ñ ýòèìè ãðàæäàíàìè âåñòè íîðìàëüíîå îáùåíèå íà áóäóùåå. (Ê ïðèìåðó, òàê ïîñòóïàëè íåìöû íà îêêóïèðîâàííûõ òåððèòîðèÿõ, îíè íàîáîðîò, âñÿ÷åñêè ïîääåðæèâàëè ëþäåé ïîâåðèâøèõ â Ôþðåðà). Çà÷åì èõ âñåõ ïîãîëîâíî, òóò-æå ñàäèòü â òþðüìó? Íà áîëüøèå ñðîêè, ê òîìó-æå, íåñîâåðøåííîëåòíèõ. À ïîñëå ýòîãî âûñûëàòü â ññûëêó? Ëîãèêè ñîâñåì íåò. sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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Orvokki - ñïàñèáî çà èíôîðìàöèþ!
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà).
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Ìîëîäåö Hilkka, (ïîäðóãà ñåñòðû äåäà), ÷òî âåðíóëàñü. Óñïåëà õîòü äåñÿòîê ëåò ïîæèòü íà ðîäèíå. Ýòî ëó÷øèé âàðèàíò. Äåäà ñâîåãî êîíå÷íî æàëêî. Ó íåãî áûëî "áåç øàíñîâ"... Òàê, êàê îí óìåð â 1989 ãîäó, òîãäà çàãðàíèöà, åù¸ áûëà íàãëóõî çàêðûòà. (Äà è ïðî ïîñòàíîâëåíèå ÂÑ ÐÑÔÑÐ, îí ïðåêðàñíî ïîìíèë, â êîòîðîì áûâøèì ôèííàì, áûëî çàïðåùåíî ïðèåçæàòü â Ëåíèíãðàäñêóþ îáëàñòü.) È ïî èòîãó, ïîñëåäíèå ãîäû ñâîåé æèçíè, îí ïðîâ¸ë òóò, â Âîëîãäå.
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà).
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Íà ñòðàíèöàõ ÂÃÄ òîëüêî î ðîäîñëîâíîé è íèêàêîé ïîëèòèêè.
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Ñîãëàñåí. Îòðåäàêòèðîâàë ïîñëåäíèé ïîñò, óáðàâ êîå-êàêèå ìûñëè âñëóõ.
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà).
Orvokki
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 31
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 24
I have tried to talk with many person who has relatives from Kivennapa. But unfortunately I cannot find close relatives of Arvi. Closest what I found has same forefather 4-5 generation backwards from Arvi. He don't remember Arvi.

Now You have these choise:

1. You can write to Mikkeli archive and ask certificate brothers and sisters of Arvi and their children. I told You that Antti, Arvi and Aili has gone to Russia. Those you can search in Russia. There is still Juho, Aina and maybe other, if there is more children after 1920. (Aili was born after Arvi.) This certificate you have to pay. Price list. http://www.arkisto.fi/fi/info/hinnasto

I can help you to write there, if you want. But you have to pay yourself.

2. There is magazine called "Kivennapalainen". One person said to me that they can write a story about Arvi and so called "public search" if you want. I think this is free.

3. Kivennapa has also an annual meeting called "Kihut". This year it is in Tampere 5.8.-6.8. You can try to go there and search Your relatives. There is more information about Kihut: http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?p=2484

4. Kivennapa people travel to Russia also. There is next meeting in Russia 20.5.-22.5. Kivennapa and Terijoki and another meeting 30.6.-2.7. Kivennapa and Viipuri. You can go there and try to ask to meet relatives.

ß ïûòàëñÿ ïîãîâîðèòü ñî ìíîãèìè ëþäüìè, ó êîòîðûõ åñòü ðîäñòâåííèêè èç Êèâåííàïû. Íî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ÿ íå ìîãó íàéòè áëèçêèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ Àðâè. Ñàìîå áëèçêîå, ÷òî ÿ íàøåë, - ýòî òîò æå ïðàäåä 4-5 ïîêîëåíèé íàçàä îò Àðâè. Àðâè íå ïîìíèò.

Òåïåðü ó âàñ åñòü âûáîð:

1. Âû ìîæåòå íàïèñàòü â àðõèâ Ìèêêåëè è ñïðîñèòü ñâèäåòåëåé áðàòüåâ è ñåñòåð Arvi è èõ äåòåé. ß ñêàçàë âàì, ÷òî Antti, Arvi è Aili îòïðàâèëèñü â Ðîññèþ. Òå, êîòîðûå âû ìîæåòå èñêàòü â Ðîññèè. Åñòü åùå Juho, Àina è, ìîæåò áûòü, äðóãàÿ, åñëè ïîñëå 1920 ãîäà ïîÿâèëîñü áîëüøå äåòåé. (Àili ðîäèëñÿ ïîñëå Àrvi.) Ýòîò ñåðòèôèêàò âû äîëæíû çàïëàòèòü. Ïðåéñêóðàíò. Http://www.arkisto.fi/fi/info/hinnasto

Ìîãó ïîìî÷ü âàì íàïèñàòü òàì, åñëè õîòèòå. Íî âû äîëæíû ïëàòèòü ñàìè.

2. Åñòü æóðíàë ïîä íàçâàíèåì «Êèâåííàïàëàéíåí». Îäèí ÷åëîâåê ñêàçàë ìíå, ÷òî îíè ìîãóò íàïèñàòü ðàññêàç îá Àðâè è òàê íàçûâàåìîì «îáùåñòâåííîì ïîèñêå», åñëè õîòèòå. ß äóìàþ, ÷òî ýòî áåñïëàòíî.

3. Êèâåííàïà òàêæå ïðîâîäèò åæåãîäíîå ñîáðàíèå ïîä íàçâàíèåì «Êèõóò». Â ýòîì ãîäó îí íàõîäèòñÿ â Òàìïåðå 5.8.-6.8. Âû ìîæåòå ïîïûòàòüñÿ ïîéòè òóäà è îáûñêàòü ñâîèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Äîïîëíèòåëüíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î Kihut: http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?p=2484

4. Ëþäè Êèâåííàïû òàêæå ïóòåøåñòâóþò â Ðîññèþ. Ñëåäóþùàÿ âñòðå÷à â Ðîññèè 20.5.-22.5. Êèâåííàïà è Òåðèéîêè è åùå îäíî ñîâåùàíèå 30.6 - 2.7. Êèâåííàïà è Âèéïóðè. Âû ìîæåòå ïîéòè òóäà è ïîïûòàòüñÿ ïîïðîñèòü âñòðåòèòüñÿ ñ ðîäñòâåííèêàìè.
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ß èùó Êóìïóìÿêè / Êóìïóìàêè / Êóìïóìèàêè / Kumpumäki
Orvokki
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 31
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 24

Orvokki íàïèñàë:
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Ìîãó ïîìî÷ü âàì íàïèñàòü òàì, åñëè õîòèòå. Íî âû äîëæíû ïëàòèòü ñàìè.
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I mean, you have to pay for the archive. You do not need to pay me.
ß èìåþ â âèäó, âû äîëæíû çàïëàòèòü çà àðõèâ. Âàì íå íóæíî ïëàòèòü ìíå. 101.gif
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ß èùó Êóìïóìÿêè / Êóìïóìàêè / Êóìïóìèàêè / Kumpumäki
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Ðåéòèíã: 13
Orvokki - ñïàñèáî. ß ïîíÿë, ÷òî çà óñëóãè àðõèâà. À ñòàòüþ â ãàçåòó, ÿ äóìàþ ìîæíî ðàçìåñòèòü. À ãäå áóäåò â Ðîññèè, âñòðå÷à æèòåëåé áûâøåé òåððèòîðèè Ôèíëÿíäèè? ß íå äî ïîíÿë ýòîãî.
Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî ëþäåé ïîìíÿùèõ Àðâè æèâîãî, ñåé÷àñ íå íàéòè, â ñâÿçè ñ áîëüøèì âðåìåííûì îòðåçêîì. Ìíîãî ëåò óæå ïðîøëî. Íî êîãî íèáóäü èç ðîäñòâåííèêîâ, (äåòåé, âíóêîâ), ÿ-áû íå îòêàçàëñÿ óâèäåòü, õîòÿ-áû äëÿ ïåðåïèñêè â ñîöèàëüíûõ ñåòÿõ. Î âñòðå÷å â æèâóþ, ÿ óæå íå ìå÷òàþ îñîáî... sad.gif
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ïàéíèëàéíåíå Àðâè Ïàâëîâè÷å, ðîäèëñÿ â Ôèíëÿíäèè,â 1920-ì ãîäó, ä Õàðòîíåí, (ðàéîí Êèâåííàïà).
Orvokki
Íà÷èíàþùèé

Ñîîáùåíèé: 31
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 24
I cannot find program for the trip 20.-22.5. Only mentioned visit Kivennapa, Kuuterselkä and Terijoki.

Program for the trip 30.6.-2.7.

30.6.2017 Kuuterselkä battle station. Vammelsuu. Overnight stay and dinner in Raivola.
1.7.2017 Kivennapa, battle station visits, including Siiranmäki, village visits, travelling to Vyborg, overnight stay and dinner hotel Druzhba Vyborg.
2.7.2017 Visit to war museum in Vyborg. City tour in Vyborg. Back to Finland.
Local guide: Jevgeni Balashov

I will ask if I find somebody in the Kivennapa magazine, who can speak Russian. It is much easier to communicate if you can speak your native language.

ß íå ìîãó íàéòè ïðîãðàììó äëÿ ïîåçäêè 20.-22.5. Òîëüêî óïîìÿíóòûé âèçèò Êèâåííàïà, Êóóçåðñåëêÿ è Òåðèéîêè.

Ïðîãðàììà ïîåçäêè 30.6.-2.7.

30.6.2017 Áîåâàÿ ñòàíöèÿ Kuuterselkä. Vammelsuu. Íî÷ëåã è óæèí â Ðàéâîëå.
1.7.2017 Êèâåííàïà, ïîñåùåíèå áîåâûõ ñòàíöèé, âêëþ÷àÿ Ñèèðàíìÿêè, ïîñåùåíèå äåðåâíè, âûåçä â Âûáîðã, íî÷ëåã è óæèí â ãîñòèíèöå Äðóæáà Âûáîðã.
2.7.2017 Ïîñåùåíèå âîåííîãî ìóçåÿ â Âûáîðãå. Îáçîðíàÿ ýêñêóðñèÿ ïî Âûáîðãó. Âîçâðàùåíèå â Ôèíëÿíäèþ.
Ìåñòíûé ãèä: Åâãåíèé Áàëàøîâ

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