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| Orvokki
: 31 2017 . : 24
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17 2017 13:26 17 2017 13:28 I have tried to talk with many person who has relatives from Kivennapa. But unfortunately I cannot find close relatives of Arvi. Closest what I found has same forefather 4-5 generation backwards from Arvi. He don't remember Arvi. Now You have these choise: 1. You can write to Mikkeli archive and ask certificate brothers and sisters of Arvi and their children. I told You that Antti, Arvi and Aili has gone to Russia. Those you can search in Russia. There is still Juho, Aina and maybe other, if there is more children after 1920. (Aili was born after Arvi.) This certificate you have to pay. Price list. http://www.arkisto.fi/fi/info/hinnastoI can help you to write there, if you want. But you have to pay yourself. 2. There is magazine called "Kivennapalainen". One person said to me that they can write a story about Arvi and so called "public search" if you want. I think this is free. 3. Kivennapa has also an annual meeting called "Kihut". This year it is in Tampere 5.8.-6.8. You can try to go there and search Your relatives. There is more information about Kihut: http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?p=24844. Kivennapa people travel to Russia also. There is next meeting in Russia 20.5.-22.5. Kivennapa and Terijoki and another meeting 30.6.-2.7. Kivennapa and Viipuri. You can go there and try to ask to meet relatives. , . , , . , , - 4-5 . . : 1. Arvi . , Antti, Arvi Aili . , . Juho, ina , , , 1920 . (ili rvi.) . . Http://www.arkisto.fi/fi/info/hinnasto , . . 2. . , , . , . 3. . 5.8.-6.8. . Kihut: http://whm14.louhi.net/~kivennap/?p=24844. . 20.5.-22.5. 30.6 - 2.7. . . --- / / / Kumpumäki | | |
| Orvokki
: 31 2017 . : 24
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I mean, you have to pay for the archive. You do not need to pay me. , . . --- / / / Kumpumäki | | |
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| Orvokki
: 31 2017 . : 24
| I cannot find program for the trip 20.-22.5. Only mentioned visit Kivennapa, Kuuterselkä and Terijoki.
Program for the trip 30.6.-2.7.
30.6.2017 Kuuterselkä battle station. Vammelsuu. Overnight stay and dinner in Raivola. 1.7.2017 Kivennapa, battle station visits, including Siiranmäki, village visits, travelling to Vyborg, overnight stay and dinner hotel Druzhba Vyborg. 2.7.2017 Visit to war museum in Vyborg. City tour in Vyborg. Back to Finland. Local guide: Jevgeni Balashov
I will ask if I find somebody in the Kivennapa magazine, who can speak Russian. It is much easier to communicate if you can speak your native language.
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