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Vilnius Ñîîáùåíèé: 1007 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 84 | Ââåðõ #4 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2003 9:34 ÀÐÕÈÂÛ Ëèòâû https://forum.vgd.ru/525/Òåððèòîðèÿ Ëèòâû ðàçäåëåíà íà 10 óåçäîâ. Óåçäû îáðàçóþò òåððèòîðèè ñàìîóïðàâëåíèé 9 ãîðîäîâ è 43 ðàéîíîâ, à òàêæå 8 âíîâü îáðàçîâàííûõ ñàìîóïðàâëåíèé. Ñàìîóïðàâëåíèÿ äåëÿòñÿ íà ñòàðîñòâà.ÓåçäûÃîðîäà ËèòâûÑïèñîê íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò Êîâåíñêîé ãóáåðíèè 1892 ã. Êíèãà
Àëôàâèòíûé ñïèñîê íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò Êîâåíñêîé ãóáåðíèè 1903 ã. Êíèãà
Êàðòà Êîâåíñêîé ãóáåðíèè Ñîñò. ñîãëàñíî íîâåéøèìú äàííûìú 1915 ã. Ïåðåïîñò
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Geo ZÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  LT Ñîîáùåíèé: 20117 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13391 | Ââåðõ #6 àâãóñòà 2014 0:07 mialc íàïèñàë: [q] À âîò êîíêðåòíî â ìîåì ñëó÷àå êàêîé ðàéîííûé àðõèâ - Øàóëÿéñêèé?[/q]
À âûøå Âû è ÿ î êàêîì ðàéîíå ïèñàëè? mialc íàïèñàë: [q] È êàê áûòü ñ èìåíåì Ivans (Ivan) â ëèòîâñêîì âàðèàíòå??[/q]
 ëþáîì. Âðÿäëè êòî ó íàñ íå çíàåò ÷òî Èâàí ïî-ëèòîâñêè Èîíàñ. | | |
mialcÏî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê  Latvia Ñîîáùåíèé: 68 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 17 | Ââåðõ #6 àâãóñòà 2014 0:20 Äîïîëíèòåëüíî îôîðìëÿë çàïðîñ íà íàëè÷èå ëèòîâñêîãî ãðàæäàíñòâà ó îòöà íà 15.06.1940 ãîäà â öåíòðàëüíûé Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àðõèâ Ëèòâû. Ïîëó÷èë òîæå îòðèöàòåëüíûé îòâåò. Îòöó íà òîò ìîìåíò áûëî 3 ãîäà. Ìîæåò íàäî áûëî äåëàòü çàïðîñ íà íàëè÷èå ãðàæäàíñòâà ó äåäà (Anton, Antonas Normantas)?? --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Normantiene (Ðóí÷ú, Runčs, Runcis) Jelena (Åëåíà, Helena, Gelena) Stanislava m.(Ñòàíèñëàâîâíà), Normantas (Íîðìàíòú) Antanas (Àíòîí, Àíòîíèé) Jonos (ßíîâè÷) ïðîæèâàëè â Ëèòâå è Ëàòâèè. | | |
Geo ZÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  LT Ñîîáùåíèé: 20117 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13391 | Ââåðõ #6 àâãóñòà 2014 0:24 mialc íàïèñàë: [q] Ìîæåò íàäî áûëî äåëàòü çàïðîñ íà íàëè÷èå ãðàæäàíñòâà ó äåäà (Anton, Antonas Normantas)??
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Íó íàâåðíî. | | |
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Ðèãà - Âèëüíþñ Ñîîáùåíèé: 5024 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2510 | Ââåðõ #6 àâãóñòà 2014 9:27 mialc
Âîçìîæíî, Âàì áóäåò èíòåðåñíî
Kraziai (Kelme District) - on a blue field the silver Archangel Michael holds in his right hand a silver sword with golden hilt, in his left hand golden scales, the archangel's flesh proper, on his breast two crossed golden belts, under his legs a black devil with silver horns. Flag proportions 5:6, fringe is silver, finial is a golden tip with a ring and silver bands having blue tufts. The charge has more than one meaning: (1) the local church once had the name St. Michael; (2) the Kraziai massacre of 1893 is mentioned: the Emperor of Russia Alexander III commanded to destroy the Catholic church despite petitions, but the local people resisted, they clashed unarmed with Russian gendarmes and won that day. Next day the Russian forces were reinforced with 300 Cossacks and broke the resistance. 9 people were killed, 54 injured, several hundreds arrested and 35 of them imprisoned. The massacre had a strong international resonance, and the church was secured (it stays now as well). So the charge symbolizes victory of good against evil. | | |
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Ðèãà - Âèëüíþñ Ñîîáùåíèé: 5024 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2510 | Ââåðõ #6 àâãóñòà 2014 9:44 mialc
 Ëèòîâñêîì èñòîðè÷åñêîì àðõèâå åñòü ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè êîñòåëà Kražiai ôîíäû 669, 1521, 1671. Ó ìåíÿ îòìå÷åíî, ÷òî åñòü ìåòðèêè ïî 1926 ãîä, âêëþ÷èòåëüíî. Íî, âîçìîæíî, ÷òî åñòü è áîëåå ïîçäíèå ãîäà. íóæíî óòî÷íÿòü.
Òàêæå, íàøëà ó ñåáÿ, ÷òî åñòü ïàñïîðòà íà èìÿ Ñòàñà Íîðìàíòàñà è Ïåòðîíåëè Íîðìàíòàéòå, êîòîðûå ïîëó÷àëè èõ â Êàóíàñå. | | |
mialcÏî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê  Latvia Ñîîáùåíèé: 68 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 17 | Ââåðõ #7 àâãóñòà 2014 0:01 7 àâãóñòà 2014 0:02 Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà èíôîðìàöèþ. ß ëè÷íî áûë â Êðàæàå. Î÷åíü êðàñèâîå ìåñòî. Îñíîâàíî â 1253 ãîäó, îäèí èç èñòîðè÷åñêèõ öåíòðîâ Ëèòâû.Êîñòåë ñåé÷àñ íîñèò èìÿ Ñâ.Äåâû Ìàðèè. Âñÿ èñòîðèÿ íàïèñàíà âîçëå êîñòåëà íà ëèòîâñêîì ÿçûêå. Ïåðåâåë ñàì âåñü òåêñò ñ ïîìîùüþ google. Îáùàëñÿ ñ ìåñòíûì êñåíçäîì. Î÷åíü äîáðûé è ïðèâåòëèâûé ÷åëîâåê. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ ýòè ïðèñêîðáíûå ôàêòû íå äîñòóïíû â ðóññêîé ÷àñòè èíòåðíåòà, õîòÿ ñîáûòèÿ 1893 ãîäà îñâåùàëèñü âî âñåé ðîññèéñêîé ïðåññå. È íà ñóäåáíîì ïðîöåññå çàùèòíèêàìè âûñòóïàëè ñàìûå ëó÷øèå àäâîêàòû èìïåðèè. Êîñòåë âåðíóëè âåðóþùèì òîëüêî â 1910 ãîäó. Ïóáëèêóþ ôîòî êîñòåëà Ñâ.Äåâû Ìàðèè( ïðèíîøó èçâèíåíèå, åñëè íåïðàâèëüíî óêàçàë íàçâàíèå êîñòåëà).
 --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Normantiene (Ðóí÷ú, Runčs, Runcis) Jelena (Åëåíà, Helena, Gelena) Stanislava m.(Ñòàíèñëàâîâíà), Normantas (Íîðìàíòú) Antanas (Àíòîí, Àíòîíèé) Jonos (ßíîâè÷) ïðîæèâàëè â Ëèòâå è Ëàòâèè. | | |
mialcÏî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê  Latvia Ñîîáùåíèé: 68 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 17 | Ââåðõ #7 àâãóñòà 2014 0:11 [q] Òàêæå, íàøëà ó ñåáÿ, ÷òî åñòü ïàñïîðòà íà èìÿ Ñòàñà Íîðìàíòàñà è Ïåòðîíåëè Íîðìàíòàéòå, êîòîðûå ïîëó÷àëè èõ â Êàóíàñå.[/q]
Åñëè ìîæíî, òî ïðîñüáà ïåðåñëàòü â âèäå ëè÷íîãî ñîîáùåíèÿ êàêóþ-íèáóäü èíôîðìàöèþ î Ñòàñå è Ïåòðîíåëè. Ñåãîäíÿ ñäåëàë äîïîëíèòåëüíûé çàïðîñ â Øàóëÿñêèé ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àðõèâ ïî ôàêòó ðîæäåíèÿ Èâàíà â 1937 ãîäó. À òàêæå ñäåëàë çàïðîñ â Âèëüíþñ ïî ôàêòó ãðàæäàíñòâà ó äåäà - Àíòîíà Èâàíîâè÷à (1892 ãîäà). Íî ñâåäåíèÿ ïî äåäó âåñüìà ìèíèìàëüíû. ß äàæå íå çíàþ òî÷íîé äàòû ðîæäåíèÿ, èçâåñòåí òîëüêî ãîä. Ñåé÷àñ àâãóñò - âðåìÿ îòïóñêîâ. Ðåçóëüòàò ñêîðåå âñåãî áóäåò â ñåíòÿáðå. --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Normantiene (Ðóí÷ú, Runčs, Runcis) Jelena (Åëåíà, Helena, Gelena) Stanislava m.(Ñòàíèñëàâîâíà), Normantas (Íîðìàíòú) Antanas (Àíòîí, Àíòîíèé) Jonos (ßíîâè÷) ïðîæèâàëè â Ëèòâå è Ëàòâèè. | | |
mialcÏî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê  Latvia Ñîîáùåíèé: 68 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 17 | Ââåðõ #7 àâãóñòà 2014 0:15 milira íàïèñàë: [q]  Ëèòîâñêîì èñòîðè÷åñêîì àðõèâå åñòü ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè êîñòåëà Kražiai ôîíäû 669, 1521, 1671. [/q]
Ëèòîâñêèé èñòîðè÷åñêèé àðõèâ äàë ìíå îòðèöàòåëüíûé îòâåò íà çàïðîñ î ôàêòå ðîæäåíèÿ Èâàíà â 1937 ãîäà. Óêàçûâàë ìåñòî Êðîæó (Êðàæàé) è òî÷íóþ äàòó ðîæäåíèÿ. --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Normantiene (Ðóí÷ú, Runčs, Runcis) Jelena (Åëåíà, Helena, Gelena) Stanislava m.(Ñòàíèñëàâîâíà), Normantas (Íîðìàíòú) Antanas (Àíòîí, Àíòîíèé) Jonos (ßíîâè÷) ïðîæèâàëè â Ëèòâå è Ëàòâèè. | | |
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Ëåíèíãðàäñêàÿ îáëàñòü Ñîîáùåíèé: 56 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 30 | Ââåðõ #10 àâãóñòà 2014 19:59 Ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà. Èñòîðè÷åñêèé àðõèâ â Âèëüíþñå è ÍÈÀÁ Ãðîäíî ïðèñëàëè îòðèöàòåëüíûå çàïðîñû ïî ìåòðèêàì. Ðîæäåíèå: Ñâåíöÿíñêèé óåçä, Ñâèðñêàÿ âîëîñòü, äåðåâíÿ Ñòðî÷àíû 06.01.1876 Ëàâðèíîâè÷ Èçûäîð Åãîðîâè÷ (Þðüåâè÷, Ãåîðãèåâè÷) è Àëåêñàíäðîâñêàÿ âîëîñòü, äåðåâíÿ Íîâîñåëêè (â äðóãîì äîêóìåíòå Æåëÿäñêèå Íîâîñåëêè) 17.03.1876 Äðîçä Ôðàíöèøêà Ìèêîëàåâíà. Êàê òàêîå ìîæåò áûòü?! Ïðè÷åì èç Ãðîäíî íàïèñàëè, ÷òî ïî Ñâèðñêîìó (?) è Êîíñòàíòèíîâñêîìó (?!) êîñòåëàì íåò. Íî âåäü ýòè äåðåâíè ñîâñåì â äðóãîì êîíöå âîëîñòè, à îíè ñìîòðåëè, âèäèìî, ïî äâóì êîñòåëàì. Ëèòîâöû âîîáùå íàïèñàëè: "Äàííûõ ïî Ñâèðñêîìó êîñòåëó àðõèâ íå èìååò." Ïî÷åìó âñå öèêëÿòñÿ íà Ñâèðñêîì êîñòåëå? ß ïîñìîòðåëà êàðòó, òàì åùå íåñêîëüêî êîñòåëîâ, ïðè÷åì ñîâñåì ðÿäîì. Æåëÿäñêèé, íàïðèìåð. È ÷òî òåïåðü äåëàòü? Ïîâòîðíûå çàïðîñû? Ïîìîãèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà. Ìîæåò êòî-íèáóäü ïîñìîòðèò? Äàòû òî÷íûå, ìîæåò åñòü êàêàÿ-òî êîððåêöèÿ ñòàðûé/íîâûé ñòèëü, íî â öåëîì, - òî÷íî. À ÿ óæå øèôð â àðõèâ ïîøëþ äëÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ñïðàâêè. Ìíå ðîäñòâî íå äîêàçàòü áåç ýòèõ ñïðàâîê. Ñïàñèáî. | | |
Geo ZÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  LT Ñîîáùåíèé: 20117 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 13391 | Ââåðõ #10 àâãóñòà 2014 21:09 À Âû ïîïðîáóéòå åùå óòî÷íèòü.  Àëåêñàíäðîâñêîé âîëîñòè áûë êîñòåë ñâèðàíñêèé (íå Ñâèðñêèé) â Ñâèðàíêàõ. Åùå íåïîäàëåêó êîñòåë â Êëþùàíàõ. Æåëÿäñêèé êîñòåë â òî âðåìÿ áûë íå äåéñòâóþùèé. | | |
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Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî îòäåëüíûì íàñåëåííûì ìåñòàì è ñâîèì ëè÷íûì ïîèñêàì îòêðûâàéòå òåìû â ôàìèëüíûõ èëè äíåâíèêîâûõ ðàçäåëàõ. Ñïèñêè íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò ïî ñòðàíàì îãðîìíû è æåëàþùèõ îòêðûòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òåìû ìíîãî. Äîïóñêàåòñÿ ðàçáèâêà â ðàçäåëå ïî ãîðîäàì, óåçäàì, âîëîñòÿì. Ïðîñüáà - ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîé ñõåìû.
Íå îòêðûâàéòå äóáëü - òåìû, âíèìàòåëüíî ÷èòàéòå íàçâàíèå òåì, óæå îòêðûòûõ....