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11 ìàðòà 2020 23:23 Oceania The Oceania cluster consists of present day populations from Australia, New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, New Britain Island, Timor-Leste, and Flores Islands. Modern humans arrived in this cluster roughly 45,000 years ago and spread south and east out of Southeast Asia. During this time, sea levels were significantly lower with ocean water locked in large polar glaciers. This allowed people to migrate across the many land bridges throughout the South Pacific islands. For example, the Sahul Shelf connecting New Guinea and Timor island to Australia facilitated early human and animal migrations out of Southeast Asia. Reference populations in this cluster are predominantly found in indigenous New Guinea and Australian populations; however, genetic similarity with this cluster can be seen as far away as Polynesia to the east and India to the west. With the exception of Australia and New Guinea, early hunter-gatherers in this cluster were assimilated by the later spread of agricultural Austronesian populations that had originated in or around Taiwan around 4000 BCE. These peoples are identified by their incredibly diverse language family, which is the second largest in the world, making up some 1,200 languages today. Austronesian migration brought agriculture, animal husbandry, and cultural practices such as tattooing into the Flores and Timor Islands around 1500 BCE and the Solomon Islands and New Caledonia by 400–750 BCE. Australia maintains its own unique history as it is the last hunter-gatherer continent to maintain this lifestyle until European contact in 1788. Early migrations throughout this cluster allow for present day genetic relatedness between the Oceania cluster and the Southeast Asia cluster. This once widespread diaspora can be found in present day Andaman Islanders and in the Philippines. [ Èçîáðàæåíèå íà ñòîðîííåì ñàéòå: 26a637f5b819.png ] Îêåàíèÿ Êëàñòåð Îêåàíèè ñîñòîèò èç ñîâðåìåííûõ ïîïóëÿöèé Àâñòðàëèè, Íîâîé Ãâèíåè, Ñîëîìîíîâûõ îñòðîâîâ, îñòðîâà Íîâàÿ Áðèòàíèÿ, îñòðîâîâ Òèìîð è Ôëîðåñ. Ëþäè ñîâðåìåííîãî òèïà ïðèáûëè â ýòîò êëàñòåð ïðèìåðíî 45 000 ëåò íàçàä è ðàñïðîñòðàíèëèñü íà þã è âîñòîê èç Þãî-Âîñòî÷íîé Àçèè. Çà ýòî âðåìÿ óðîâåíü ìîðÿ áûë çíà÷èòåëüíî íèæå, ïîñêîëüêó îêåàíñêèå âîäû áûëè çàêëþ÷åíû â áîëüøèõ ïîëÿðíûõ ëåäíèêàõ. Ýòî ïîçâîëèëî ëþäÿì ìèãðèðîâàòü ÷åðåç ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå ñóõîïóòíûå ìîñòû íà îñòðîâàõ þæíîé ÷àñòè Òèõîãî îêåàíà. Íàïðèìåð, øåëüô Ñàõóë, ñîåäèíÿâøèé Íîâóþ Ãâèíåþ è îñòðîâ Òèìîð ñ Àâñòðàëèåé, ñïîñîáñòâîâàë ðàííåé ìèãðàöèè ëþäåé è æèâîòíûõ èç Þãî-Âîñòî÷íîé Àçèè. Ýòàëîííûå ãðóïïû â ýòîì êëàñòåðå â îñíîâíîì âñòðå÷àþòñÿ â êîðåííûõ ïîïóëÿöèÿõ Íîâîé Ãâèíåè è Àâñòðàëèè; îäíàêî ãåíåòè÷åñêîå ñõîäñòâî ñ ýòèì êëàñòåðîì ìîæíî óâèäåòü äàæå â Ïîëèíåçèè íà âîñòîêå è â Èíäèè íà Çàïàäå. Çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì Àâñòðàëèè è Íîâîé Ãâèíåè, ðàííèå îõîòíèêè-ñîáèðàòåëè â ýòîì êëàñòåðå áûëè àññèìèëèðîâàíû áîëåå ïîçäíèì ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèåì ñåëüñêîõîçÿéñòâåííûõ ïîïóëÿöèé àâñòðîíåçèéöåâ, êîòîðûå âîçíèêëè íà Òàéâàíå èëè âîêðóã íåãî îêîëî 4000 ãîäà äî í. ý. Ýòè íàðîäû èäåíòèôèöèðóþòñÿ ïî èõ íåâåðîÿòíî ðàçíîîáðàçíîé ÿçûêîâîé ñåìüå, êîòîðàÿ ÿâëÿåòñÿ âòîðîé ïî âåëè÷èíå â ìèðå, ñîñòàâëÿÿ ñåãîäíÿ îêîëî 1200 ÿçûêîâ. Àâñòðîíåçèéñêàÿ ìèãðàöèÿ ïðèíåñëà ñåëüñêîå õîçÿéñòâî, æèâîòíîâîäñòâî è êóëüòóðíûå ïðàêòèêè, òàêèå êàê òàòóèðîâêà, íà îñòðîâà Ôëîðåñ è Òèìîð îêîëî 1500 ãîäà äî í. ý. è íà Ñîëîìîíîâû îñòðîâà è Íîâóþ Êàëåäîíèþ ê 400-750 ãîäàì äî í. ý. Àâñòðàëèÿ ñîõðàíÿåò ñâîþ ñîáñòâåííóþ óíèêàëüíóþ èñòîðèþ, ïîñêîëüêó îíà ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïîñëåäíèì êîíòèíåíòîì îõîòíèêîâ-ñîáèðàòåëåé, êîòîðûå ïîääåðæèâàëè ýòîò îáðàç æèçíè äî åâðîïåéñêîãî êîíòàêòà â 1788 ãîäó. Ðàííèå ìèãðàöèè ïî âñåìó ýòîìó êëàñòåðó ïîçâîëÿþò ãîâîðèòü î ñîâðåìåííîé ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ñâÿçè ìåæäó êëàñòåðîì Îêåàíèè è êëàñòåðîì Þãî-Âîñòî÷íîé Àçèè. Ýòó íåêîãäà øèðîêî ðàñïðîñòðàíåííóþ äèàñïîðó ìîæíî âñòðåòèòü íà ñîâðåìåííûõ Àíäàìàíñêèõ îñòðîâàõ è íà Ôèëèïïèíàõ. --- Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò | | |
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12 ìàðòà 2020 0:27 Sephardic Judaism is a religion, but the Jewish people are also a nation. The latter implies genetic relatedness to their ancient founder population. More concretely, modern Jewish populations have diversified into numerous branches including the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi. Genetic commonalities derived from their Middle Eastern ancestry unify these populations. The Sephardic cluster originated with the Jewish people of Iberia and is found all along the shores of the Mediterranean. Closely connected to clusters in Southern Europe, this cluster also has a strong relationship to the Middle East. Like the Ashkenazi cluster, it brings together diverse genetic threads and exhibits similarities and affinities to southern European and Fertile Crescent populations. At the height of the Roman Empire, Jewish populations were scattered throughout the Roman territory. After the fall of Rome, the Jewish population in Spain was among the most numerous, and it prospered for a thousand years under Moorish rule. Five hundred years ago, this population was scattered due to their forced expulsions from Spain and Portugal. Fleeing to the Ottoman Empire, Morocco, and a few locales in northern Europe, the Sephardic population maintained their genetic distinctiveness while they fused with the local cultures. [ Èçîáðàæåíèå íà ñòîðîííåì ñàéòå: e33fa70e9346.png ] Ñåôàðäû Èóäàèçì - ýòî ðåëèãèÿ, íî åâðåéñêèé íàðîä - ýòî òàêæå è íàöèÿ. Ïîñëåäíåå ïîäðàçóìåâàåò ãåíåòè÷åñêîå ðîäñòâî ñ èõ äðåâíåé îñíîâíîé ïîïóëÿöèåé. À òî÷íåå, ñîâðåìåííîå åâðåéñêîå íàñåëåíèå ðàçäåëèëîñü íà ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå âåòâè, âêëþ÷àÿ àøêåíàçè, ñåôàðäîâ è ìèçðàõè. Ãåíåòè÷åñêèå ñõîäñòâà, ïîëó÷åííûå îò èõ áëèæíåâîñòî÷íûõ ïðåäêîâ, îáúåäèíÿþò ýòè ïîïóëÿöèè. Ñåôàðäñêèé êëàñòåð âîçíèê èç åâðåéñêîãî íàðîäà Èáåðèè è âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ïî âñåìó ïîáåðåæüþ Ñðåäèçåìíîãî ìîðÿ. Òåñíî ñâÿçàííûé ñ êëàñòåðàìè â Þæíîé Åâðîïå, ýòîò êëàñòåð òàêæå òåñíî ñâÿçàí ñ Áëèæíèì Âîñòîêîì. Ïîäîáíî àøêåíàçñêîìó êëàñòåðó, îí îáúåäèíÿåò ðàçëè÷íûå ãåíåòè÷åñêèå íèòè è äåìîíñòðèðóåò ñõîäñòâî ñ ïîïóëÿöèÿìè Þæíîé Åâðîïû è Ïëîäîðîäíîãî Ïîëóìåñÿöà.  ïåðèîä ðàñöâåòà Ðèìñêîé èìïåðèè åâðåéñêîå íàñåëåíèå áûëî ðàññåÿíî ïî âñåé òåððèòîðèè èìïåðèè. Ïîñëå ïàäåíèÿ Ðèìà åâðåéñêîå íàñåëåíèå Èñïàíèè áûëî îäíèì èç ñàìûõ ìíîãî÷èñëåííûõ, è îíî ïðîöâåòàëî â òå÷åíèå òûñÿ÷è ëåò ïîä âëàñòüþ ìàâðîâ. Ïÿòüñîò ëåò íàçàä ýòî íàñåëåíèå áûëî ðàññåÿíî èç-çà ïðèíóäèòåëüíîãî èçãíàíèÿ èç Èñïàíèè è Ïîðòóãàëèè. Áåæàâ â Îñìàíñêóþ èìïåðèþ, Ìàðîêêî è íåêîòîðûå ðåãèîíû Ñåâåðíîé Åâðîïû, ñåôàðäñêîå íàñåëåíèå ñîõðàíèëî ñâîþ ãåíåòè÷åñêóþ ñàìîáûòíîñòü, ñëèâøèñü ñ ìåñòíûìè êóëüòóðàìè. --- Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò | | |
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12 ìàðòà 2020 0:31 West and Central Europe The West and Central Europe cluster consists of present day countries of France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Austria, Czech Republic, and Germany. Modern humans began to populate West and Central Europe toward the end of the last ice age when the ice sheets north of the Mediterranean coast began to retreat. Due to ancient interactions and exchanges with cultures from the British Isles, Scandinavia, Asia, and Africa, this cluster displays an incredible history of migration, invasion, and colonization resulting in continual shared genetic, cultural, and linguistic relatedness with nearly all of the other European clusters. Long distance travel between continental Europe and populations in the British Isles are illustrated by the shared knowledge of specific pottery and metalworking technologies. Through analysis of his teeth, remains of an individual (the Amesbury Archer) buried around 2000 BCE near Stonehenge in England was proven to have grown up in mainland Europe, thus illustrating the close connections between these two clusters. The development of complex city-states was first established along the southern coastlines of France. Colonies of Greek, Phoenician, and Carthaginian settlers were the first to establish these complex societies; Roman colonies were quick to follow transferring cultural practices, such as the importance of wine drinking for the elites in central and eastern France. To the north, barbarian tribes maintained semi-nomadic settlements throughout most of the cluster. By roughly 300 CE, Jutes, Angles, and Saxons, having originated in Scandinavia, were pushed westward by invading forces from Attila the Hun, further intensifying tension between the Romans and the barbarian tribes. With Germanic tribes being pushed out of eastern Europe as well, Slavic speaking peoples settled in their wake, occupying areas leading up to east Germany. Continual raids from various European and Asian groups ended the Roman occupation of this area by roughly 500 CE. During this time period, these various groups continued migration to further reaches of land once unified by Rome. These regions included Northern Italy, most of Britain, modern day France, and Spain; they also conquered most of Northern Africa, Sardinia, and Rome in the process. It is after this migration that populations within this cluster began to establish complex and diverse civilizations that are later recognized as some of the most powerful and influential cultures in the world. These ancient histories continue to influence identities and histories of present day populations in this cluster. [ Èçîáðàæåíèå íà ñòîðîííåì ñàéòå: e33fa70e9346.png ] Çàïàäíàÿ è Öåíòðàëüíàÿ Åâðîïà Êëàñòåð Çàïàäíîé è Öåíòðàëüíîé Åâðîïû ñîñòîèò èç ñîâðåìåííûõ ñòðàí: Ôðàíöèè, Áåëüãèè, Íèäåðëàíäîâ, Ëþêñåìáóðãà, Øâåéöàðèè, Àâñòðèè, ×åõèè è Ãåðìàíèè. Ëþäè ñîâðåìåííîãî òèïà íà÷àëè çàñåëÿòü Çàïàäíóþ è Öåíòðàëüíóþ Åâðîïó ê êîíöó ïîñëåäíåãî ëåäíèêîâîãî ïåðèîäà, êîãäà ëåäÿíûå ùèòû ê ñåâåðó îò ïîáåðåæüÿ Ñðåäèçåìíîãî ìîðÿ íà÷àëè îòñòóïàòü. Áëàãîäàðÿ äðåâíèì âçàèìîäåéñòâèÿì è êóëüòóðíûì îáìåíàì ñ Áðèòàíñêèìè îñòðîâàìè, Ñêàíäèíàâèåé, Àçèåé è Àôðèêîé, ýòîò êëàñòåð äåìîíñòðèðóåò íåâåðîÿòíóþ èñòîðèþ ìèãðàöèè, âòîðæåíèÿ è êîëîíèçàöèè, ÷òî ïðèâîäèò ê ïîñòîÿííîé îáùåé ãåíåòè÷åñêîé, êóëüòóðíîé è ÿçûêîâîé ñâÿçè ïî÷òè ñî âñåìè îñòàëüíûìè åâðîïåéñêèìè êëàñòåðàìè. Ïóòåøåñòâèÿ íà áîëüøèå ðàññòîÿíèÿ ñ êîíòèíåíòàëüíîé Åâðîïû ê íàñåëåíèþ Áðèòàíñêèõ îñòðîâîâ èëëþñòðèðóþòñÿ îáùèìè çíàíèÿìè î êîíêðåòíûõ òåõíîëîãèÿõ ïðîèçâîäñòâà êåðàìèêè è ìåòàëëîîáðàáîòêè. Áëàãîäàðÿ àíàëèçó çóáîâ áûëî äîêàçàíî, ÷òî "Ëó÷íèê èç Ýéìñáåðè", îñòàíêè êîòîðîãî áûëè ïîõîðîíåíû îêîëî 2000 ãîäà äî í. ý. âîçëå Ñòîóíõåíäæà â Àíãëèè, âûðîñ íà ìàòåðèêîâîé Åâðîïå, ÷òî èëëþñòðèðóåò òåñíóþ ñâÿçü ìåæäó ýòèìè äâóìÿ êëàñòåðàìè. Ðàçâèòèå êîìïëåêñîâ ãîðîäîâ-ãîñóäàðñòâ áûëî âïåðâûå óñòàíîâëåíî âäîëü þæíîãî ïîáåðåæüÿ Ôðàíöèè. Êîëîíèè ãðå÷åñêèõ, ôèíèêèéñêèõ è êàðôàãåíñêèõ ïîñåëåíöåâ áûëè ïåðâûìè, êòî îñíîâàë ýòè ðàçâèòûå îáùåñòâà; ðèìñêèå êîëîíèè áûñòðî ñëåäîâàëè ïåðåäàþùèìñÿ êóëüòóðíûì ïðàêòèêàì, òàêèì êàê âàæíîñòü óïîòðåáëåíèÿ âèíà äëÿ ýëèò â Öåíòðàëüíîé è Âîñòî÷íîé Ôðàíöèè. Íà ñåâåðå âàðâàðñêèå ïëåìåíà äåðæàëè ïîëóêî÷åâûå ïîñåëåíèÿ íà áîëüøåé ÷àñòè òåððèòîðèè êëàñòåðà. Ïðèìåðíî ê 300 ãîäó í. ý. äæóòû, àíãëû è ñàêñû, ðîäèâøèåñÿ â Ñêàíäèíàâèè, áûëè îòòåñíåíû íà Çàïàä âòîðæåíèåì âîéñê ãóííîâ Àòòèëû, ÷òî åùå áîëüøå óñèëèëî íàïðÿæåííîñòü ìåæäó ðèìëÿíàìè è âàðâàðñêèìè ïëåìåíàìè. Êîãäà ãåðìàíñêèå ïëåìåíà áûëè âûòåñíåíû èç Âîñòî÷íîé Åâðîïû, ñëàâÿíîÿçû÷íûå íàðîäû ðàññåëèëèñü âñëåä çà íèìè, çàíÿâ îáëàñòè, âåäóùèå ê Âîñòî÷íîé Ãåðìàíèè. Ïîñòîÿííûå íàáåãè ðàçëè÷íûõ åâðîïåéñêèõ è àçèàòñêèõ ãðóïï ïîëîæèëè êîíåö ðèìñêîé îêêóïàöèè ýòîé îáëàñòè ïðèìåðíî ê 500 ãîäó í. ý.  òå÷åíèå äàííîãî ïåðèîäà âðåìåíè ýòè ðàçëè÷íûå ãðóïïû ïðîäîëæàëè ìèãðàöèþ â áîëåå îòäàëåííûå ðåãèîíû, íåêîãäà îáúåäèíåííûå Ðèìîì. Ýòè ðåãèîíû âêëþ÷àëè Ñåâåðíóþ Èòàëèþ, áîëüøóþ ÷àñòü Áðèòàíèè, ñîâðåìåííóþ Ôðàíöèþ è Èñïàíèþ; îíè òàêæå çàâîåâàëè áîëüøóþ ÷àñòü Ñåâåðíîé Àôðèêè, Ñàðäèíèþ è Èòàëèþ. Èìåííî ïîñëå äàííîé ìèãðàöèè íàñåëåíèå ýòîãî êëàñòåðà íà÷àëî ñîçäàâàòü ñëîæíûå è ðàçíîîáðàçíûå öèâèëèçàöèè, êîòîðûå âïîñëåäñòâèè áûëè ïðèçíàíû îäíèìè èç ñàìûõ ìîãóùåñòâåííûõ è âëèÿòåëüíûõ êóëüòóð â ìèðå. Ýòà äðåâíÿÿ èñòîðèÿ ïðîäîëæàåò âëèÿòü íà èäåíòè÷íîñòü è èñòîðèþ ñîâðåìåííûõ ïîïóëÿöèé â ýòîì êëàñòåðå. --- Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò | | |
Temych Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 1167 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 675 | Íàâåðõ ##
14 ìàðòà 2020 9:16 Ïîëó÷èë ñåãîäíÿ ðåçóëüòàòû ïî íîâûì òåñòàì FF. Õîòåë çàãðóçèòü íà Myheritage, íî âûäà¸ò îøèáêó: "Ýòîò ôàéë íå ïîäõîäèò äëÿ àóòîñîìíîãî ýêñïîðòà. Ïîæàëóéñòà, ñëåäóéòå ýòèì øàãàì è ïîïðîáóéòå ñíîâà." Ïðè÷¸ì ìåñÿö íàçàä çàãðóæàëîñü âñ¸ íîðìàëüíî. Çàãðóæàþ êàê è ïîëîæåíî ôàéë "Build 37 Concatenated Raw Data". Èíòåðåñíî, ïîïðîáîâàë çàãðóçèòü ôàéë ñî ñòàðûìè ðåçóëüòàòàìè, òîæå íå ïðèíèìàåò. Ó ìåíÿ íå îïëà÷åíà ïîäïèñêà, íî ðàíüøå ýòî íå ìåøàëî çàãðóæàòü ðåçóëüòàòû ÄÍÊ òåñòîâ. Êòî-íèáóäü ñòàëêèâàëñÿ ñ òàêîé ïðîáëåìîé? | | |
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14 ìàðòà 2020 21:31 14 ìàðòà 2020 21:32 Temych, MyHeritage çàêðûëè äîñòóï ê ÄÍÊ-òåñòàì äëÿ æèòåëåé Ðîññèè. Ïîìåíÿéòå â íàñòðîéêàõ àêêàóíòà ñòðàíó íà ÑØÀ è çàéäèòå ÷åðåç VPN --- Ìèíÿåâû/Ìåíÿåâû/Ìèíîâû/Ìèíèíû (ä. Âîëêîâî Ëîòîøèíñêèé/Ñòàðèöêèé)
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15 ìàðòà 2020 19:16 maxmalk íàïèñàë: [q] Temych, MyHeritage çàêðûëè äîñòóï ê ÄÍÊ-òåñòàì äëÿ æèòåëåé Ðîññèè. Ïîìåíÿéòå â íàñòðîéêàõ àêêàóíòà ñòðàíó íà ÑØÀ è çàéäèòå ÷åðåç VPN [/q]
Ñïàñèáî! Äåéñòâèòåëüíî ïîìîãëî! Â÷åðà ïðîáîâàë çàãðóçèòü ñ èçìåíåíèåì ñòðàíû ÷åðåç VPN - íå ïîìîãëî. Òîëüêî â êîìïëåêñå ñ çàìåíîé ñòðàíû â ó÷åòíîé çàïèñè ïîëó÷èëîñü çàãðóçèòü ðåçóëüòàòû. | | |
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5 ìàÿ 2020 11:06 Çäðàâñòâóéòå âñåì! Ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, â áðàóçåðå õðîìîñîì èìåþòñÿ ïàðàìåòðû Start Location and End Location, îíè íóæíû äëÿ íàãëÿäíîñòè ïðîñìîòðà ó ñîâïàäåíöåâ îáùèõ ó÷àñòêîâ è ñòðîèòü ãèïîòåçó, ÷òî îíè ìîãóò áûòü äàëüíèìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè? Äëÿ ÷åãî â áðàóçåðå ãðàôà SNPs, êàê ýòî èñïîëüçîâàòü? È ïî÷åìó ïîêàçàíû 22 àóòîñîìû, à íå 44, ëèáî òàê ïîêàçàíû ïàðû àóòîñîì? | | |
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6 ìàÿ 2020 21:21 Nikitoss íàïèñàë: [q] Çäðàâñòâóéòå âñåì! Ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, â áðàóçåðå õðîìîñîì èìåþòñÿ ïàðàìåòðû Start Location and End Location, îíè íóæíû äëÿ íàãëÿäíîñòè ïðîñìîòðà ó ñîâïàäåíöåâ îáùèõ ó÷àñòêîâ è ñòðîèòü ãèïîòåçó, ÷òî îíè ìîãóò áûòü äàëüíèìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè? Äëÿ ÷åãî â áðàóçåðå ãðàôà SNPs, êàê ýòî èñïîëüçîâàòü? È ïî÷åìó ïîêàçàíû 22 àóòîñîìû, à íå 44, ëèáî òàê ïîêàçàíû ïàðû àóòîñîì?[/q]
Íå óâåðåíà, ÷òî ïðàâèëüíî ïîíÿëà âàø âîïðîñ, íî íà÷àëüíûå è êîíå÷íûå ïîçèöèè îáùèõ ó÷àñòêîâ ÄÍÊ íóæíû äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû òî÷íî (à íå íà ãëàç, òî åñòü âèçóàëüíî) çíàòü ìåñòîíàõîæäåíèå ýòèõ ó÷àñòêîâ íà õðîìîñîìå è ñðàâíèâàòü ýòî ñ òðåòüèìè ëèöàìè ñ öåëüþ íàõîæäåíèÿ îáùåãî ïðåäêà. Òàê, íàïðèìåð, åñëè ó âàñ ñ íåèçâåñòíûè ñîâïàäåíöåì åñòü îáùèé ó÷àñòîê, òî âû íå ìîæåòå çíàòü, ýòî ïî ÷üåé ëèíèè - ìàòåðèíñêîé èëè îòöîâñêîé. Åñëè æå âû. íàïðèìåð, ïðîòåñòèðîâàëè êàêîãî-íèáóäü ñâîåãî èçâåñòíîãî ðîäñòâåííèêà ïî ìàòåðèíñêîé ëèíèè è ó íåãî îêàçàëñÿ ñ âàìè îáùèì â òîì ÷èñëå è âûøå óïîìÿíóòûé ó÷àñòîê, òî ñêîðåå âñåãî è ñîâïàäåíåö - ðîäñòâåííèê èìåííî ïî ìàòåðèíñêîé ëèíèè. Ê òîìó æå íà÷àëüíûå è êîíå÷íûå ïîçèöèè ìîæíî ñêà÷àòü â âèäå Ýêñåëÿ è èñïîëüçîâàòü óæå íà äðóãèõ ñàéòàõ. À ÷òî òàì â ãðàôå SNPs ïîêàçûâàåò? ×èñëî? Åñëè äà, òî ýòî îáùåå êîëè÷åñòâî îäèíàêîâûõ ñíèïîâ, êîòîðûå èäóò ïîäðÿä. Ýòà èíôîðìàöèÿ êîððåëèðóåò ñ ñåíòèìîðãàíàìè, òî åñòü ÷åì áîëüøå ÷èñëî ñíèïîâ, òåì äëèííåå îáùèé ó÷àñòîê è òåì áëèæå/âåðîÿòíåå ðîäñòâî. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ 22 àóòîñîì, à íå 44 - òî äà, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ìíîãèå ïðîâàéäåðû ïîêàçûâàþò îäíó îáùóþ õðîìîñîìó âìåñòî äâóõ. Òî åñòü ýòî êàê áû ãèáðèä, êîòîðûé íå ðàçäåëåí íà îòöîâñêóþ è ìàòåðèíñêóþ ÷àñòü. Ïîýòîìó êîãäà åñòü ñîâïàäåíèÿ, òî áåç àíàëèçà íåïîíÿòíî - ýòî ïî ìàòåðèíñêîé èëè îòöîâñêîé ëèíèè. | | |
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7 ìàÿ 2020 23:30 Misslipa íàïèñàë: [q] À ÷òî òàì â ãðàôå SNPs ïîêàçûâàåò? ×èñëî? Åñëè äà, òî ýòî îáùåå êîëè÷åñòâî îäèíàêîâûõ ñíèïîâ, êîòîðûå èäóò ïîäðÿä. Ýòà èíôîðìàöèÿ êîððåëèðóåò ñ ñåíòèìîðãàíàìè, òî åñòü ÷åì áîëüøå ÷èñëî ñíèïîâ, òåì äëèííåå îáùèé ó÷àñòîê è òåì áëèæå/âåðîÿòíåå ðîäñòâî.[/q]
Äà â ýòîé ãðàôå ñòîèò ÷èñëî. Ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ÷åì áîëüøå ñíèïîâ è ñàíòèìîðãàíîâ, òåì ëó÷øå, íî êîððåëÿöèè ÿ íå ïðîñëåäèë. Âîò, íàïðèìåð, åñëè ñðàâíèâàòü ñåáÿ ñ îäíèì ñëó÷àéíûì ñîâïàäåíöåì: 1) íà ðàçíûõ õðîìîñîìàõ ìîæåò áûòü îäíî òî æå çíà÷åíèå ñàíòèìîðãàíîâ, íî ðàçíîå êîëè÷åñòâî ñîâïàäàþùèõ ñíèïîâ. 2) íà îäíîé è òîé æå õðîìîñîìå 2 ó÷àñòêà ñ îäèíàêîâûìè ñíèïàìè, íî ðàçíûìè ñàíòèìîðãàíàìè. Åñëè æå ñðàâíèòü ñåáÿ â áðàóçåðå õðîìîñîì ñ äâóìÿ è áîëåå ñîâïàäåíöàìè, òî òàêæå íåò ñâÿçè ýòèõ ïàðàìåòðîâ. Misslipa íàïèñàë: [q] ×òî êàñàåòñÿ 22 àóòîñîì, à íå 44 - òî äà, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ìíîãèå ïðîâàéäåðû ïîêàçûâàþò îäíó îáùóþ õðîìîñîìó âìåñòî äâóõ. Òî åñòü ýòî êàê áû ãèáðèä, êîòîðûé íå ðàçäåëåí íà îòöîâñêóþ è ìàòåðèíñêóþ ÷àñòü. Ïîýòîìó êîãäà åñòü ñîâïàäåíèÿ, òî áåç àíàëèçà íåïîíÿòíî - ýòî ïî ìàòåðèíñêîé èëè îòöîâñêîé ëèíèè.[/q]
Òàêàÿ îáùàÿ õðîìîñîìà ââîäèò â çàáëóæäåíèå. Ïðè àíàëèçå ìåíÿ ñ ìàòåðüþ, íà âûõîäå íà äèàãðàììå ïîëó÷àþ ïî÷òè 100% îáùèõ ñåãìåíòîâ, õîòÿ ïîëîâèíà äîñòàëàñü îò îòöà. Íà íåêîòîðûõ õðîìîñîìàõ ïèøóò SNP poor region. Ýòî ó êàæäîãî òàêîå? Åñëè äà, òî âñåãäà íà îäíèõ è òåõ æå ó÷àñòêàõ? Çàâèñèò ëè êà÷åñòâî îò èñõîäíîãî áèîìàòåðèàëà? Misslipa íàïèñàë: [q] Ê òîìó æå íà÷àëüíûå è êîíå÷íûå ïîçèöèè ìîæíî ñêà÷àòü â âèäå Ýêñåëÿ è èñïîëüçîâàòü óæå íà äðóãèõ ñàéòàõ.
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Ñûðûå äàííûå óæå ïåðåêà÷èâàë. Íà÷àëüíûå è êîíå÷íûå ïîçèöèè ìîæíî ëè óïîðÿäî÷èâàòü â Excel? Ïîñêîëüêó â äàííîì ôàéëå äàííûå ôîðìèðóþòñÿ â âèäå îäíîé ãðàôû, ãäå ïàðàìåòðû ïåðå÷èñëåííûå ÷åðåç çàïÿòóþ. --- ïîèñê â ÐÃÀÄÀ
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7 ìàÿ 2020 23:48 Åñëè àóòîñîìíûé òåñò ñäåëàëà æåíùèíà è ó íåé â ðàçäåëå Matches ó ñîâïàäåíöà óêàçàíî X-Match, òî ýòî îçíà÷àåò ìàòåðèíñêóþ èëè îòöîâñêóþ ëèíèþ. (íó êðîìå îòöà îòöà). Åñëè æå íåò X-Match, òî ýòî îçíà÷àåò âñ¸ òîæå ñàìîå.  ÷¸ì ñìûñë? ×òî óïóñòèë è êàê ýòîò ïàðàìåòð òîãäà ïîëåçåí? --- ïîèñê â ÐÃÀÄÀ
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