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Ñëîáîæàíùèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 657
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Ðåéòèíã: 978

Slava Utmanovo íàïèñàë:
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Âîò òàêîå âûñâå÷èâàåòñÿ
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Öå îçíà÷àº, ùî âñå ïðîéøëî óñï³øíî. ×åêàéòå 2 äí³ ðåçóëüòàò.

Ýòî îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî âñå ïðîøëî óñïåøíî. Æäèòå 2 äíÿ ðåçóëüòàò.
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Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
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Ñëîáîæàíùèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 657
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 978
Siberia
Modern humans arrived in Siberia roughly 40,000 years ago after access to the region was opened up by retreating ice sheets. These ancient hunter-gatherer populations spread all across Siberia with some groups continuing east across the Bering Land Bridge to populate the Americas roughly 15,000–23,000 years ago. Because of this, there is still genetic relatedness between Siberian and Native American populations to this day.
As Siberian populations became more established in the area, their lifestyles changed little from the first bands of people; consisting largely of small semi hunter-gatherer and pastoral nomadic groups. Populations within this cluster experienced predominantly Chinese influence starting around 1000 BCE and later, influence from the Turkic-Mongols in the 3rd century BCE. Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire laid claim to Southern Siberia from the 13th to 14th century CE.
Colonization from Russian forces in the 16th century CE led to the destruction of many of the smaller tribes due to the spread of disease and exploitation from colonists. However, larger tribes, such as the Sakha (Yakut) and Buryat, utilized the colonists to gain profit and were largely incorporated into the colonizing society, while others were able to maintain their traditional practices. Present day populations of Sakha (Yakut) still practice a mostly pastoral lifestyle and continue to herd horses, cattle, and reindeer.
Today, the people of Siberia express closer relatedness to populations within East Asia and northern populations in Japan, suggesting more recent migrations from the south. There has also been increased relatedness between populations in Siberia and western Russia since Siberia’s integration as a Russian state.

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Ñèáèðü
Ñîâðåìåííûå ëþäè ïðèáûëè â Ñèáèðü ïðèìåðíî 40 000 ëåò íàçàä ïîñëå òîãî, êàê äîñòóï â ðåãèîí áûë îòêðûò îòñòóïëåíèåì ëåäÿíîãî ïîêðîâà. Ýòè äðåâíèå îõîòíèêè-ñîáèðàòåëè ðàñïðîñòðàíèëèñü ïî âñåé Ñèáèðè ñ íåêîòîðûìè ãðóïïàìè, ÷òî ïðîäâèíóëèñü íà âîñòîê ÷åðåç Áåðèíãîâ ìîñò ïðèìåðíî 15 000-23 000 ëåò íàçàä, ñ öåëüþ çàñåëèòü Àìåðèêó. Èç-çà ýòîãî äî ñèõ ïîð ñóùåñòâóåò ãåíåòè÷åñêàÿ ñâÿçü ìåæäó ñèáèðñêèì è êîðåííûì àìåðèêàíñêèì íàñåëåíèåì.
Ïî ìåðå òîãî êàê ñèáèðñêèå ïîïóëÿöèè ñòàíîâèëèñü áîëåå ðàçâèòûìè â ýòîì ðåãèîíå, èõ îáðàç æèçíè ìàëî èçìåíèëñÿ îò ïåðâîé ãðóïïû ëþäåé, ñîñòîÿùåé â îñíîâíîì èç ìåëêèõ íàïîëîâèíó îõîòíè÷üå-ñîáèðàòåëüñêèõ è íàïîëîâèíó êî÷åâûõ ñêîòîâîä÷åñêèõ ãðóïï. Ïîïóëÿöèè â ýòîé ãðóïïå èñïûòûâàëè ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî êèòàéñêîå âëèÿíèå, íà÷èíàÿ ñ 1000 ã. äî í. ý., à çàòåì âëèÿíèå òþðêî-ìîíãîëîâ â III âåêå äî í. ý. ×èíãèñõàí è Ìîíãîëüñêàÿ èìïåðèÿ ïðåòåíäîâàëè íà Þæíóþ Ñèáèðü ñ XIII ïî XIV âåê.
Êîëîíèçàöèÿ ðóññêèìè âîéñêàìè â XVI âåêå ïðèâåëà ê óíè÷òîæåíèþ ìíîãèõ ìàëûõ ïëåìåí èç-çà ðàñïðîñòðàíåíèÿ áîëåçíåé è ýêñïëóàòàöèè ñî ñòîðîíû êîëîíèñòîâ. Îäíàêî áîëåå êðóïíûå ïëåìåíà, òàêèå êàê ÿêóòû è áóðÿòû, èñïîëüçîâàëè êîëîíèñòîâ äëÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïðèáûëè è â îñíîâíîì áûëè âêëþ÷åíû â êîëîíèçèðóþùåå îáùåñòâî, â òî âðåìÿ êàê äðóãèå ñìîãëè ñîõðàíèòü ñâîþ òðàäèöèîííóþ äåÿòåëüíîñòü. Ñîâðåìåííûå ïîïóëÿöèè Ñàõà (ßêóòèè) ïî-ïðåæíåìó ïðàêòèêóþò ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî ïàñòûðñêèé îáðàç æèçíè è ïðîäîëæàþò ïàñòè ëîøàäåé, êðóïíûé ðîãàòûé ñêîò è îëåíåé.
Ñåãîäíÿ æèòåëè Ñèáèðè èìåþò áîëåå òåñíóþ ñâÿçü ñ ïîïóëÿöèÿìè â Âîñòî÷íîé Àçèè è ñåâåðíûìè ïîïóëÿöèÿìè ßïîíèè, ÷òî ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò î áîëåå ïîçäíèõ ìèãðàöèÿõ ñ þãà. Ñî âðåìåíè âõîæäåíèÿ Ñèáèðè â ðîññèéñêîå ãîñóäàðñòâî òàêæå âîçðîñëà ñâÿçü ìåæäó ïîïóëÿöèÿìè Ñèáèðè è Çàïàäíîé Ðîññèè.
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Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
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Ñëîáîæàíùèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 657
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 978
Òàê ÿêèé íàéêðàùèé ñàéò, ùî ïîêàæå åòí³÷íó ìîçà¿êó?

Òàê êàêîé ñàìûé ëó÷øèé ñàéò, êîòîðûé ïîêàæåò ýòíè÷åñêóþ ìîçàèêó?
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Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
Òàìïèî
«Ñïàñèáî» è ëàéêè íå íàäî. Ïðîñòî íàæìèòå [+]

Òàìïèî

Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1803
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1186

Slava Utmanovo íàïèñàë:
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Ýñêèìîñ ñ ÿïîíöåì!
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Ò.å. âàñ î÷åíü íàïðÿãëè ýòè 0,8% è 1,7%, à òî, ÷òî ïîãðåøíîñòü òàêèõ ðåçóëüòàòîâ ñîñòàâëÿåò ±5% èëè, äàæå, ±10% âàñ íèñêîëüêî íå ñìóùàåò. Ñòðàííî, ïðàâäà?


²çþìñüêèé íàïèñàë:
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Òàê êàêîé ñàìûé ëó÷øèé ñàéò, êîòîðûé ïîêàæåò ýòíè÷åñêóþ ìîçàèêó?
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Íèêàêîé. Íî ýòî íèêàê íå îñòàíàâëèâàåò ëþäåé âû÷èñëèòü òî, ÷òî âû÷èñëèòü ïîêà íåëüçÿ.
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Íîâã. îáë, Ìàëîâèøåðñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïîääóáüå, Ãîðíåöêîå, Ñåëèùè — ÅÂÏËÎÂÛ ÈÂÀÍÎÂÛ
Êèðîâñê. îáë, Ëóçñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïÿòèíñêàÿ — ÈÃÓÌÍÎÂÛ
Òàìá. îáë, Ãàâðèëîâñêèé ð-í — ÒÅШØÊÈÍÛ ÂÎË×ÊÎÂÛ
Áåëîðóññèÿ: Áîáðóéñê, Íîâîãðóäîê — ÏÎÒÀÏÎÂÈ×È ÎÑÈÏÎÂÈ×È

☦ Ôèííû ÑÏá ☦
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Ñëîáîæàíùèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 657
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 978

Slava Utmanovo íàïèñàë:
[q]
Òàê ÿ æ êàëàìáóðþ! Ôèííû èç 18% ïðåâðàòèëèñü â 6,4 % à àçèàòû îñòàëèñü
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Òðåáà ðîçóì³òè, ùî àóòñîìíèé òåñò ÄÍÊ - öå íå â³äñòåæåííÿ íàö³îíàëüíîñò³ çà îñòàíí³ 100-200 ðîê³â, à â³äñòåæåííÿ òåðèòîð³àëüíîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ ïðåäê³â ç ÷àñ³â äî íàøî¿ åðè, êîëè íàö³é ùå íå ³ñíóâàëî.

Íàäî ïîíèìàòü, ÷òî àóòñîìíèé òåñò ÄÍÊ - ýòî íå îòñëåæèâàíèå íàöèîíàëüíîñòè çà ïîñëåäíèå 100-200 ëåò, à îòñëåæèâàíèå òåððèòîðèàëüíîãî ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ ïðåäêîâ ñî âðåìåí äî íàøåé ýðû, êîãäà íàöèé åùå íå ñóùåñòâîâàëî.
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Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
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Ñëîáîæàíùèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 657
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 978

Slava Utmanovo íàïèñàë:
[q]
Òàê ÿ æ êàëàìáóðþ! Ôèííû èç 18% ïðåâðàòèëèñü â 6,4 % à àçèàòû îñòàëèñü
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Íó ³ íàÿâí³ñòü ÿïîíö³â òà åñê³ìîñ³â - ñâ³ä÷èòü íå ïðî òå, ùî áàáóñÿ áóëà ÿïîíêà, à ïðî òå, ùî ÷àñòèíà ïðåäê³â ç ðåã³îíó "Äàëåêèé ñõ³ä", çâ³äêè é ïîõîäÿòü ÿïîíö³ òà åñê³ìîñè.

Íó è íàëè÷èå ÿïîíöåâ è ýñêèìîñîâ - ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò íå î òîì, ÷òî áàáóøêà áûëà ÿïîíêà, à î òîì, ÷òî ÷àñòü ïðåäêîâ èç ðåãèîíà "Äàëüíèé âîñòîê", îòêóäà è ïðîèñõîäÿò ÿïîíöû è ýñêèìîñû.
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Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
Feroce

Âîðîíåæ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 408
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 179
Êàëüêóëÿòîðû ïîêàçûâàþò íå ïðåäêîâ, à âàñ. Íà ñêîëüêî âû ïîõîæè íà ñîâðåìåííûõ ïðåäñòàâèòåëåé òåõ ãðóïï ëþäåé, êîòîðûå óñòàíîâëåíû êàê ýòàëîí â êàëüêóëÿòîðå.
Ó âñåõ êàëüêóëÿòîðîâ íàñòðîéêè ðàçíûå, ïîýòîìó è ðåçóëüòàòû ðàçíûå.

Ïðåäêîâ ïîêàçûâàåò Ancient Origins, ò.ê. îí ñðàâíèâàåò âàñ ñ äðåâíèìè îáðàçöàìè.
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Êóðñê: Ëüãîâñêèé ðàéîí: Áåçñîíîâ, Áåññîíîâ, Áîáðàêîâ, Ïîëóÿíîâ
Âîðîíåæ: Íîâîõîïåðñê è Áîðèñîãëåáñê: Âîðîáüåâ, Ëåîíòüåâ, Ìèõàéëèí, Ñèäîðåíêî
Áðÿíñê: Ñóçåìñêèé ðàéîí: Êîíäðàøîâ, Àíòîùåíêî
Ìîé äíåâíèê
Òàìïèî
«Ñïàñèáî» è ëàéêè íå íàäî. Ïðîñòî íàæìèòå [+]

Òàìïèî

Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1803
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1186

Slava Utmanovo íàïèñàë:
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Ïîíÿòíî ÷òî íè÷åãî íå ïîíÿòíî
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Ïðîñòî ýòíîñ íå èìååò íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê ãàïëîãðóïïå... òàê æå êàê è âíåøíîñòü. Èäåÿ, ÷òî ÄÍÊ-òåñò ìîæåò óêàçàòü íà íàöèîíàëüíîñòü òåñòèðóåìîãî - ôèêöèÿ. Ó ÷åëîâåêà 2 ðîäèòåëåé, 4 áàáêè/äåäà, 8 ïðàäåäîâ/ïðàáàáêè... êàæäûé èç íèõ ìîã áûòü èç êàêîé-òî óíèêàëüíîé íàöèè, íî êàêîå îòíîøåíèå ýòî èìååò ê ñîâðåìåííîìó ÷åëîâåêó? Îí ÷òî, âûáèðàåò íàöèîíàëüíîñòü èç 8 âàðèàíòîâ? Êîíå÷íî, íåò. Ïîíÿòèå "íàöèÿ" ïîÿâèëàñü â 18 âåêå è ÄÍÊ ñîâåðøåííî íå â êóðñå ýòîãî ÷åëîâå÷åñêîãî èçîáðåòåíèÿ.

Åùå áîëåå ñìåøíà ïîïûòêà äåëèòü ëþäåé ïî ÿçûêîâûì ãðóïïàì (òèïà ôèííî-óãðû âñòðåòèëèñü ñ èíäî-åâðîïåéöàìè). ß ìîãó ãîâîðèòü ïî-ðóññêè â Ðîññèè è ïî-ôèíñêè â Ôèíëÿíäèè.  ïåðâîì ñëó÷àå ÿ èíäîåâðîïååö, à âî âòîðîì - ôèííî-óãð. Íî ýòî íåëåïî. (Òå æå âåíãðû, ê ïðèìåðó, ÿâëÿþòñÿ ôèííî-óãðàìè, íî óðàëüñêîé ÄÍÊ ó íèõ ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåò, èáî 1000 ëåò íàçàä íà äàííîé òåððèòîðèè áûëî ýëèòàðíîå äîìèíèðîâàíèå ìèãðàíòîâ ñ ïðåäóðàëüñêîé îêðàèíû Âîñòî÷íîé Åâðîïû â å¸ ñîâðåìåííîì ïîíèìàíèè.)

Íà êàðòèíêå íèæå ïîêàçàíà "ýòíè÷åñêàÿ ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü" äÿäè ìîåé æåíû â ïîíèìàíèè ýòíîêàëüêóëÿòîðà Ìàéõåðèòàæ. Íàïèñàíî, ÷òî íèãåðèåö - 1,2%. Ìîæíî, êîíå÷íî, ïðåäñòàâèòm, ÷òî êàêîé-òî îòâàæíûé êàïèòàí àôðèêàíåö ïðèïëûë íà ïëîòó ê áåðåãó Áàëòèéñêîãî ìîðÿ è ñìåøàëñÿ ñ ìåñòíûìè ïðèáàëòàìè è ñëàâÿíàìè. Íî, ñêîðåå âñåãî, ó ìîåãî ðîäñòâåííèêà îïðåäåë¸ííûé ñíèï R1b ãàïëîãðóïïû, êîòîðûé áëèçîê ê ñíèïó R1b ãàïëîãðóïïû, èìåþùåéñÿ â áîëüøîé ïðîïîðöèè â äàííîì ðåãèîíå Àôðèêè. Ïî÷åìó òàê ñëó÷èëîñü - îòäåëüíàÿ òåìà. Íî íåïîñðåäñòâåííî íèãåðèéöû âðÿä ëè íàõîäÿòñÿ â ïðåäêàõ ñòîïðîöåíòíîãî áåëîðóñà.



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Êèðîâñê. îáë, Ëóçñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïÿòèíñêàÿ — ÈÃÓÌÍÎÂÛ
Òàìá. îáë, Ãàâðèëîâñêèé ð-í — ÒÅШØÊÈÍÛ ÂÎË×ÊÎÂÛ
Áåëîðóññèÿ: Áîáðóéñê, Íîâîãðóäîê — ÏÎÒÀÏÎÂÈ×È ÎÑÈÏÎÂÈ×È

☦ Ôèííû ÑÏá ☦
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Ñëîáîæàíùèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 657
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 978

Feroce íàïèñàë:
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Ïðåäêîâ ïîêàçûâàåò Ancient Origins, ò.ê. îí ñðàâíèâàåò âàñ ñ äðåâíèìè îáðàçöàìè.
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Ïðåäê³â ïîêàçóº myOrigins, à Ancient Origins ðîáèòü äåòàëüíèé àíàë³ç ºâðîïåéñüêî¿ ãðóïè ç myOrigins.

Ïðåäêîâ ïîêàçûâàåò myOrigins, à Ancient Origins äåëàåò ïîäðîáíûé àíàëèç åâðîïåéñêîé ãðóïïû èç myOrigins.
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Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
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Êèðîâñê. îáë, Ëóçñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïÿòèíñêàÿ — ÈÃÓÌÍÎÂÛ
Òàìá. îáë, Ãàâðèëîâñêèé ð-í — ÒÅШØÊÈÍÛ ÂÎË×ÊÎÂÛ
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