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Ëèäåðàìè íå ñòàíîâÿòñÿ, êàê ãëàñèò îáùåèçâåñòíàÿ àêñèîìà. Âåðíåå, ñòàíîâÿòñÿ, íî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ëèäåðîì ñòàòü, ñíà÷àëà ëèäåðîì íóæíî ðîäèòüñÿ, ãëàñÿò ðåçóëüòàòû íîâîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ áðèòàíñêèõ ó÷åíûõ, îïóáëèêîâàííûå â æóðíàëå Leadership Quarterly.

Ïîñëå àíàëèçà îáðàçöîâ ÄÍÊ áîëåå 4 òûñÿ÷ ÷åëîâåê ó÷åíûå èç óíèâåðñèòåòà Ëîíäîíà ïðèøëè ê âûâîäó, ÷òî ëþäè ñ ãåíîì rs4950 èìåþò íà 25% áîëüøå øàíñîâ çàíÿòü ðóêîâîäÿùèå äîëæíîñòè íà ðàáîòå è ñòàòü ëèäåðàìè. Äîêòîð ßí-Ýììàíóèë äå Íåâå, ðóêîâîäèòåëü èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ñ÷èòàåò, ÷òî èìåííî íàëè÷èå ýòîãî ãåíà ÿâëÿåòñÿ íåïðåìåííûì óñëîâèåì òîãî, ÷òî èç ðåáåíêà âûðàñòåò õîðîøèé ðóêîâîäèòåëü è ëèäåð.

Âïðî÷åì, íàëè÷èå ãåíà rs4950 ÿâëÿåòñÿ íå åäèíñòâåííûì óñëîâèåì îáëàäàíèÿ ëèäåðñêèìè ñïîñîáíîñòÿìè. Ýòî ñëåäóåò õîòÿ áû èç òîãî, ÷òî ïîëîâèíà íàñåëåíèÿ çåìíîãî øàðà ýòîò ãåí èìååò, íî äàëåêî íå âñå îíè ÿâëÿþòñÿ ëèäåðàìè è ñïîñîáíû èìè áûòü. Îïûò, çíàíèÿ è äðóãèå êà÷åñòâà èãðàþò íå ìåíüøóþ ðîëü â âîçìîæíîñòè ïîëó÷èòü âûñîêîîïëà÷èâàåìóþ ðàáîòó.

Äå Íåâå ñ êîëëåãàìè ñ÷èòàåò, ÷òî íåäàëåê òîò äåíü, êîãäà êîìïàíèè ïðè ïðèåìå íà ðàáîòó áóäóò ïðîâîäèòü ãåíåòè÷åñêèé àíàëèç êàíäèäàòîâ ñ öåëüþ âûÿâèòü èõ ëèäåðñêèé ïîòåíöèàë èëè åãî îòñóòñòâèå ñî âñåìè âûòåêàþùèìè îòñþäà ïîñëåäñòâèÿìè. Ýòî ìîæåò ïðèâåñòè, ïèøåò Daily Mail, ê ïîÿâëåíèþ î÷åðåäíîãî âèäà äèñêðèìèíàöèè – ãåíåòè÷åñêîé.

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 íåêîäèðóþùèõ (ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî ðåãóëÿòîðíûõ) îáëàñòÿõ ãåíà OXTR èìååòñÿ íåñêîëüêî òàê íàçûâàåìûõ îäíîíóêëåîòèäíûõ ïîëèìîðôèçìîâ, èëè ñíèïîâ (single nucleotide polimorphisms, SNP). Áîëüøàÿ ÷àñòü ãåíà OXTR îäèíàêîâà ó âñåõ ëþäåé (ýòî ñïðàâåäëèâî è äëÿ âñåõ ïðî÷èõ ãåíîâ), íî ïî íåêîòîðûì íóêëåîòèäàì ðàçíûå âåðñèè ãåíà ìîãóò ðàçëè÷àòüñÿ. Èìåííî ýòè íóêëåîòèäû, êîòîðûå ìîãóò áûòü ðàçíûìè ó ðàçíûõ ëþäåé, è íàçûâàþò ñíèïàìè.
Ó âñåõ èñïûòóåìûõ ïåðâîé ãðóïïû îïðåäåëèëè àëëåëüíîå ñîñòîÿíèå 15 ñíèïîâ â íåêîäèðóþùèõ ó÷àñòêàõ ãåíà OXTR.  âîñüìè ñëó÷àÿõ èç 15 áûëà îáíàðóæåíà ñâÿçü ìåæäó òåì, êàêîé íóêëåîòèä ñòîèò â äàííîé ïîçèöèè â ãåíå OXTR, è ñêëîííîñòüþ ê àëüòðóèçìó, êîòîðàÿ áûëà âûÿâëåíà â äâóõ òåñòàõ. Íåêîòîðûå ñíèïû âëèÿþò íà àëüòðóèçì òîëüêî ó ìóæ÷èí, äðóãèå - òîëüêî ó æåíùèí, òðåòüè - ó îáîèõ ïîëîâ. Íàèáîëåå çíà÷èìàÿ êîððåëÿöèÿ ñ àëüòðóèçìîì îáíàðóæèëàñü ó òðåõ ñíèïîâ.
Çàòåì èññëåäîâàíèå ïîâòîðèëè íà âòîðîé ãðóïïå èñïûòóåìûõ. Íà ýòîò ðàç ïðîâåðÿëèñü òîëüêî òðè ñíèïà, âàæíîñòü êîòîðûõ áûëà óñòàíîâëåíà â ïðåäûäóùåì îïûòå, è èñïîëüçîâàëñÿ òîëüêî îäèí èç äâóõ òåñòîâ - èãðà "Äèêòàòîð". Âçðîñëûå æåíùèíû â ýòîé èãðå âåëè ñåáÿ â öåëîì áîëåå àëüòðóèñòè÷íî, ÷åì ñòóäåíòû. Íàèáîëåå çíà÷èìàÿ êîððåëÿöèÿ ñ àëüòðóèçìîì áûëà âûÿâëåíà ó îäíîãî èç òðåõ ñíèïîâ (åãî óñëîâíîå îáîçíà÷åíèå - rs1042778). Ëþäè, ó êîòîðûõ â ýòîé ïîëèìîðôíîé ïîçèöèè ñòîèò íóêëåîòèä à (ãóàíèí), îõîòíåå äåëÿòñÿ äåíüãàìè ñ íåçíàêîìöàìè, ÷åì òå, ó êîòîðûõ òàì ñòîèò íóêëåîòèä Ò (òèìèí). Òàê, æåíùèíû èç âòîðîé ãðóïïû ñ ãåíîòèïàìè Ãà è ÃÒ îòäàëè ïàðòíåðó â èãðå "Äèêòàòîð" â ñðåäíåì 25 øåêåëåé, à íîñèòåëüíèöû ãåíîòèïà ÒÒ - òîëüêî 18,5.
×àñòîòà àëëåëÿ Ò, êîòîðûé êîððåëèðóåò ñ æàäíîñòüþ, ñðåäè ó÷àñòíèêîâ ýêñïåðèìåíòà ñîñòàâèëà 29%; ÷àñòîòà "ùåäðîãî" àëëåëÿ Ã, ñîîòâåòñòâåííî, 71%.
Òàêèì îáðàçîì, èññëåäîâàíèå ïîêàçàëî, ÷òî ñêëîííîñòü ê àëüòðóèñòè÷åñêèì ïîñòóïêàì çàâèñèò îò ãåíîâ íå òîëüêî âàçîïðåññèíîâûõ, íî è îêñèòîöèíîâûõ ðåöåïòîðîâ. Ïîñêîëüêó âûÿâëåííûå ñíèïû íàõîäÿòñÿ íå â êîäèðóþùèõ, à â ðåãóëÿòîðíûõ îáëàñòÿõ ãåíîâ, ìîæíî çàêëþ÷èòü, ÷òî äîáðîòà çàâèñèò íå îò ñòðîåíèÿ ñàìèõ ðåöåïòîðîâ, à îò òîãî, êàêèì îáðàçîì â òåõ èëè èíûõ êëåòêàõ ìîçãà ðåãóëèðóåòñÿ àêòèâíîñòü ãåíîâ, êîäèðóþùèõ ýòè ðåöåïòîðû. Îò ýòîé àêòèâíîñòè â êîíå÷íîì ñ÷åòå çàâèñèò, ñêîëüêî ðåöåïòîðîâ áóäåò íàõîäèòüñÿ íà ìåìáðàíå íåéðîíîâ, à ýòî â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü îïðåäåëÿåò ñòåïåíü ÷óâñòâèòåëüíîñòè íåéðîíîâ ê îêñèòîöèíó è âàçîïðåññèíó.
Òàê ÷òî åñëè òåïåðü ôàðìàêîëîãè çàõîòÿò ñîçäàòü ïðåñëîâóòûå "òàáëåòêè îò æàäíîñòè", ñóùåñòâóþùèå ïîêà òîëüêî â àíåêäîòàõ, òî ó íèõ óæå åñòü öåëûõ äâå õîðîøèõ "òåðàïåâòè÷åñêèõ ìèøåíè" (òàê íàçûâàþò êîíêðåòíûå áèîõèìè÷åñêèå ïðîöåññû èëè ãåíû, âîçäåéñòâóÿ íà êîòîðûå ìîæíî èñïðàâèòü òîò èëè èíîé äåôåêò èëè âûëå÷èòü áîëåçíü). Ðàçðàáîòêà íîâûõ ëåêàðñòâåííûõ ñðåäñòâ îáû÷íî íà÷èíàåòñÿ èìåííî ñ ïîèñêà òàêèõ "ìèøåíåé".

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Charles Darwin’s Mitochondria

Abstract

Charles Darwin’s long-term illness has been the subject of much speculation. His numerous symptoms have led to conclusions that his illness was essentially psychogenic in nature. These diagnoses have never been fully convincing, however, particularly in regard to the proposed underlying psychological background causes of the illness. Similarly, two proposed somatic causes of illness, Chagas disease and arsenic poisoning, lack credibility and appear inconsistent with the lifetime history of the illness. Other physical explanations are simply too incomplete to explain the range of symptoms. Here, a very different sort of explanation will be offered. We now know that mitochondrial mutations producing impaired mitochondrial function may result in a wide range of differing symptoms, including symptoms thought to be primarily psychological. Examination of Darwin’s maternal family history supports the contention that his illness was mitochondrial in nature; his mother and one maternal uncle had strange illnesses and the youngest maternal sibling died of an infirmity with symptoms characteristic of mitochondrial encephalomyopathy, lactic acidosis, and stroke-like episodes (MELAS syndrome), a condition rooted in mitochondrial dysfunction. Darwin’s own symptoms are described here and are in accord with the hypothesis that he had the mtDNA mutation commonly associated with the MELAS syndrome.

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Äëèòåëüíàÿ áîëåçíü ×àðëüçà Äàðâèíà ïîñëóæèëà ïîâîäîì ìíîãî÷èñëåííûõ ñïåêóëÿöèé. Åãî ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå ñèìïòîìû çàñòàâëÿëè ïðåäïîëîæèòü ïñèõîãåííóþ ïðèðîäó íåäîìîãàíèÿ. Îäíàêî ýòè äèàãíîçû íèêîãäà íå áûëè ïîëíîñòüþ óáåäèòåëüíûìè, îñîáåííî â îòíîøåíèè ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêèõ ïðè÷èí çàáîëåâàíèÿ. Àíàëîãè÷íî, äâå ïðåäëîæåííûå ñîìàòè÷åñêèå ïðè÷èíû áîëåçíè - áîëåçíü Øàãàñà (×àãàñà) è îòðàâëåíèå ìûøüÿêîì - íåäîñòàòî÷íî óáåäèòåëüíû è ïëîõî ñîîòíîñÿòñÿ ñ èñòîðèåé áîëåçíè. Ïðî÷èå ôèçè÷åñêèå ïðè÷èíû íå îáúÿñíÿþò âåñü äèàïàçîí ñèìïòîìîâ.  äàííîé ðàáîòå ïðåäëàãàåòñÿ ñîâåðøåííî èíîå îáúÿñíåíèå. Ñåãîäíÿ èçâåñòíî, ÷òî ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíûå ìóòàöèè, âûçûâàþùèå íàðóøåíèå ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíûõ ôóíêöèé, ìîãóò âûçûâàòü øèðîêèé ñïåêòð î÷åíü ðàçëè÷íûõ ñèìïòîìîâ, â òîì ÷èñëå è òàêèõ, êîòîðûå ðàíåå ñ÷èòàëèñü ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêèìè. Èññëåäîâàíèå èñòîðèè ñåìüè Äàðâèíà ñî ñòîðîíû ìàòåðè ïîçâîëÿåò ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî åãî áîëåçíü áûëà ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíîé ïðèðîäû; åãî ìàòü è äÿäÿ ñî ñòîðîíû ìàòåðè ñòðàäàëè ñòðàííûìè áîëåçíÿìè, ìëàäøèé ñèáëèíã ìàòåðè óìåð â ìëàäåí÷åñêîì âîçðàñòå ñ ñèìïòîìàìè, õàðàêòåðíûìè äëÿ ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíîé ýíöåôàëîìèîïàòèè, ëàêòàòàöèäîçà è èíñóëüòîïîäîáíûõ ýïèçîäîâ (ñèíäðîì MELAS) - ñîñòîÿíèÿ, âûçûâàåìûå ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíûìè äèñôóíêöèÿìè. Ñîáñòâåííûå ñèìïòîìû Äàðâèíà îïèñàíû â ðàáîòå, îíè ñîãëàñóþòñÿ ñ ïðåäïîëîæåíèåì, ÷òî ó íåãî áûëà ìóòàöèÿ ìò-ÄÍÊ, îáû÷íî ñâÿçàííàÿ ñ ñèíäðîìîì MELAS.
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Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.)
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
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Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.)
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Òàê îíè ñðàçó íà áîëÿ÷êè òåñòèðóþò? Åñëè ÷åñòíî, ÿ ýòîãî çíàòü íå õî÷ó, ìåíÿ òîëüêî ãåíåàëîãèÿ èíòåðåñóåò))
Òåñò íà àóòîñîìû íàïðèìåð. èëè åùå ÷òî. È îíè íå ïåðåñûëàþò â Ðîññèþ íà ïðÿìóþ?))
Ðóêîâîäèòåëü òàì æåíà îñíîâàòåëÿ Ãóãëà. Êîòîðûé íåëåñòíî î Ðîññèè îòçûâàëñÿ ïîìíþ))
Àðìåíèÿ åñòü, Áåëîðóññèÿ åñòü, à Ðîññèè íåòó))
Õîòÿ ÔÒÄÍÀ ïîñûëàþò íàïðÿìóþ áåç ïðîáëåì, íåñìîòðÿ íà òî, ÷òî åñòü ÿêîáû "ïðîáëåìû íà òàìîæíå êàêèå".
101.gif Ëó÷øå íàâåðíîå ÔÀìèëè ÔÀéíäåð çàêàæó êîãäà íèáóäü, íåñìîòðÿ íà òî, ÷òî òàì öåíà âûøå. Õîòÿ, ìîæåò åùå ñêèíóò)) êîíêóðåíöèÿ æå âåäü äîëæíà áûòü)) Îíè êñòàòè íåäàâíî ñíèçèëè, ðàíüøå ó íèõ âîîáùå 289 äîëëàðîâ îí ñòîèë))
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
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Íè â Ðîññèþ, íè â Áåëîðóññèþ, íè íà Óêðàèíó íàïðÿìóþ íå ïåðåñûëàþò.
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Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.)
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 81
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Íè â Ðîññèþ, íè â Áåëîðóññèþ, íè íà Óêðàèíó íàïðÿìóþ íå ïåðåñûëàþò.
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Äà, ñòðàííî, è ïî÷åìó òàêàÿ äèñêðèìèíàöèÿ?))
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