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victoryÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 1651 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 948 | Ââåðõ #10 àâãóñòà 2003 18:44 ÂÅÍÃÐÈß -  ïåðèîä ñ 1989 ïî 2011 ãîäû ñòðàíà îôèöèàëüíî íàçûâàëàñü Âåíãåðñêàÿ Ðåñïóáëèêà (Magyar Köztársaság), íî ñ 1-ãî ÿíâàðÿ 2012 ãîäà âñòóïèëà â ñèëó íîâàÿ êîíñòèòóöèÿ Âåíãðèè, êîòîðàÿ îôèöèàëüíî óòâåðäèëà ñîêðàù¸ííîå íàèìåíîâàíèå — Âåíãðèÿ (Magyarország). Ñòîëèöà — Áóäàïåøò. Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé ÿçûê — âåíãåðñêèé.
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Ñïàñèáî, êîëëåãè, çà ó÷àñòèå â îáñóæäåíèè ñòîëü âàæíîãî äëÿ ìåíÿ âîïðîñà.
Âîò òàê îòâåòèë íà ýòîò âîïðîñ íàø âåíãåðñêèé êîëëåãà:
"kegyd.tanító is kegydíjas tanító, translation is very difficult... Kegydíj is like the pension but until the pension is given based on the law, the kegydíj is given from grace to someone. So Arthur ROTT was a teacher (probably not any more active), who had got a regularly income from grace since he was not entitled to get pension. Might be there is a word for kegydíj in English, too, but my English is quite poor..."
Íî îïÿòü òðóäíîñòè ïåðåâîäà. Íî ìîæåò áûòü ýòî ðàçúÿñíåíèå, âìåñòå ñ âàøèìè èäåÿìè, äàñò âîçìîæíîñòü ìàêñèìàëüíî ïðèáëèçèòüñÿ ê çíà÷åíèþ óêàçàííîãî ñëîâîñî÷åòàíèÿ. Èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî "kegyd.tanító" â Àäðåñíîé êíèãå âñòðå÷àåòñÿ òîëüêî 1 ðàç, "kegyd." - 1 ðàç ; "máv. kegyd," - 1 ðàç è "özv., kegyd.," - 3 ðàçà. È ýòî â áîëüøóùåì ñïðàâî÷íèêå. Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Äìèòðèé --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ìàëåâàíîâûõ (Ñåðáèÿ, Ïîëüøà, Êóðñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ, Õàðüêîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Ñîôðîíîâûõ (Ïîëüøà, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Êàðòàøåâûõ (Ïîëüøà, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Çàïîðîæ÷åíêî (Åêàòåðèíîñëàâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ) | | |
OGornÓ÷àñòíèê  Óêðàèíà Ñîîáùåíèé: 61 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 29 | Ââåðõ #27 îêòÿáðÿ 2016 22:26 kegyes tanító - âåðîÿòíî, "ó÷èòåëü áëàãî÷åñòèÿ" (Kegyesség - îäíî èç çíà÷åíèé - "áëàãî÷åñòèå" ) Ñàìî ïîíÿòèå îçíà÷àåò ó÷èòåëÿ â øêîëå, ñîçäàííîé ìîíàøåñêèì îðäåíîì Ïèàðèñòîâ Ñòàòüÿ â Âèêèïåäèè . Îðäåí îñíîâàí â 17 âåêå â Èòàëèè. Ïèàðèñòû - ñàìè ñåáÿ íàçûâàëè patres scholarum piarum (îòêóäà è ïðîèçîøëî íàçâàíèå,), ÷òî ïåðåâîäèòñÿ êàê "îòöû áîãîóãîäíûõ çàâåäåíèé". Îäíèì èç îñíîâíûõ âèäîâ èõ äåÿòåëüíîñòè áûëî ñîçäàíèå ñïåöèàëüíûõ áåñïëàòíûõ ó÷åáíûõ çàâåäåíèé äëÿ äåòåé. Íå òîëüêî â Èòàëèè è Èñïàíèè, íî è â Àâñòðî-Âåíãåðñêîé ìîíàðõèè, à òàêæå â Ïîëüøå, Ëèòâå) îðäåíîì áûëî ñîçäàíî ìíîæåñòâî òàêèõ øêîë è àíàëîãè÷íûõ èì ó÷åáíûõ çàâåäåíèé, íàïðèìåð, â Áóäàïåøòå è Íèòðå (òåïåðü- Ñëîâàêèÿ). ×òî õàðàêòåðíî, áîëüøå âñåãî ïðî îðäåí ïèàðèñòîâ â èíòåðíåòå ìîæíî íàéòè èìåííî íà âåíãåðñêîì ÿçûêå... Íà ñòàðîâåíãåðñêîì ÿçûêå íàçâàíèå îðäåíà çâó÷èò êàê " kegyes tanítórend". Ìîæåò áûòü , èíòåðåñíî áóäåò çíàòü, ÷òî øêîëû ïèàðèñòîâ çàêàí÷èâàëè òàêèå âûäàþùèåñÿ ëè÷íîñòè, êàê Ïàïà Ïèé IX, Ãîéÿ, Øóáåðò, Ãðåãîð Ìåíäåëü (áèîëîã) è Âèêòîð Ãþãî | | |
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Ïîýòîìó Skoumal Krisztian ïèøåò: "Kegydíj is like the pension but until the pension is given based on the law, the kegydíj is given from grace to someone.So Arthur ROTT was a teacher (probably not any more active), who had got a regularly income from grace since he was not entitled to get pension."
"Kegydíj ÷òî-òî âðîäå ïåíñèè, íî, â òî âðåìÿ, êàê ïåíñèÿ äàåòñÿ íà îñíîâàíèè çàêîíà, kegydíj äàåòñÿ èç óâàæåíèÿ ê êîìó-òî. Àðòóð ROTT áûë ó÷èòåëåì (âåðîÿòíî, áîëüøå íå àêòèâíûé), êîòîðûé èìåë ðåãóëÿðíûé äîõîä "èç óâàæåíèÿ", òàê êàê îí íå áûë íàäåëåí ïðàâîì ïîëó÷àòü ïåíñèþ."
Ìîæåò áûòü, ýòî ó÷èòåëü, êîòîðûé ïîëó÷àåò ïåíñèþ îò áëàãîòâîðèòåëüíîãî ôîíäà èëè ÷àñòíîãî ëèöà? Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Äìèòðèé --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ìàëåâàíîâûõ (Ñåðáèÿ, Ïîëüøà, Êóðñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ, Õàðüêîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Ñîôðîíîâûõ (Ïîëüøà, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Êàðòàøåâûõ (Ïîëüøà, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Çàïîðîæ÷åíêî (Åêàòåðèíîñëàâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ) | | |
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Áóäóò ëè ýòè Íèêîè è Òèõîè ïðîçâèùè? --- Ñ óâàæåíèåì:
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Åñëè áû ïîòîìêè ìîãëè ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñî ìíîé è ïîäåëèòüñÿ áîëåå ïîäðîáíîé èíôîðìàöèåé îá ýòèõ ëþäÿõ, âîçìîæíî, ÿ ìîã áû ïîìî÷ü íåìíîãî áîëüøå â ýòîì äåëå. --- Ñ óâàæåíèåì:
Êðèñòèàí - Âåíãðèÿ
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