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Âñåðîññèéñêîå Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå Äðåâî
Íà ñàéòå ÂÃÄ ñîáèðàþòñÿ ëþäè, óâëå÷åííûå ãåíåàëîãèåé, èñòîðèåé, ãåðàëüäèêîé è ò.ä. Çäåñü âû íàéäåòå ñîáåñåäíèêîâ, ýêñïåðòîâ, óìåëûõ ïîìîùíèêîâ â ïîèñêàõ ïðåäêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Âàì ïîäñêàæóò ãäå èñêàòü äîêóìåíòû î ïàâøèõ â áîÿõ è ïðîïàâøèõ áåç âåñòè, â êàêîé àðõèâ îáðàòèòüñÿ ïðè èññëåäîâàíèè ðîäîñëîâíîé ñâîåé ñåìüè, ïîìîãóò îïðåäåëèòü ïî ñòàðîé ôîòîãðàôèè ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê âîèíñêèì ÷àñòÿì, âåäîìñòâàì è ÷èíó. ÂÃÄ - ïîèñê ëþäåé â ïðîøëîì, íàñòîÿùåì è áóäóùåì!
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ÂÅÍÃÐÈß

✔ ÄÈÀËÎÃÎÂÀß òåìà (âîïðîñû/îòâåòû)

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victory
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

victory

Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1651
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 948


ÂÅÍÃÐÈß -  ïåðèîä ñ 1989 ïî 2011 ãîäû ñòðàíà îôèöèàëüíî íàçûâàëàñü Âåíãåðñêàÿ Ðåñïóáëèêà (Magyar Köztársaság), íî ñ 1-ãî ÿíâàðÿ 2012 ãîäà âñòóïèëà â ñèëó íîâàÿ êîíñòèòóöèÿ Âåíãðèè, êîòîðàÿ îôèöèàëüíî óòâåðäèëà ñîêðàù¸ííîå íàèìåíîâàíèå — Âåíãðèÿ (Magyarország).
Ñòîëèöà — Áóäàïåøò. Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé ÿçûê — âåíãåðñêèé.







Êîììåíòàðèé ìîäåðàòîðà:
ÀÒÄ Âåíãðèè -
Ïîäðàçäåëÿåòñÿ íà 20 àäìèíèñòðàòèâíî-òåððèòîðèàëüíûõ åäèíèö, 19 èç êîòîðûõ — ìåäüå, è 1 — ãîðîä ðåñïóáëèêàíñêîãî ïîä÷èíåíèÿ, ïðèðàâíåííûé ê ìåäüå. Ìåäüå äåëÿòñÿ íà ÿðàøè, ÿðàøè — íà ãîðîäà è îáùèíû, ñòîëèöà äåëèòñÿ íà ðàéîíû.

:ex: ÂÍÈÌÀÍÈÅ
Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî îòäåëüíûì íàñåëåííûì ìåñòàì è ñâîèì ëè÷íûì ïîèñêàì îòêðûâàéòå òåìû â ôàìèëüíûõ èëè äíåâíèêîâûõ ðàçäåëàõ. Ñïèñîê íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò ïî ñòðàíå îãðîìåí è æåëàþùèõ îòêðûòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òåìû ìíîãî. Äîïóñêàåòñÿ ðàçáèâêà òåì íà ÿðàøè, ãîðîäà, ðàéîíû. Ïðîñüáà - ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîé ñõåìû.


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Âèêòîðèÿ
Èùó Áàá÷åíêî èç Þðêîâêè, Òåëèæåíêî èç Çâåíèãîðîäêè, ëàòûøåé Øèöñ, êàçàêîâ Âåðõîâöåâûõ, Êðûìîâûõ Òàìáîâñêîé ãóáåðíèè, Çàéêîâûõ Øàäðèíñêîãî óåçäà.
Geo Z
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Geo Z

LT
Ñîîáùåíèé: 20117
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 13379
kegydíjat fizet — ïëàòèòü ïåðñîíàëüíóþ ïåíñèþ
gecube
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
I-Z58 >I-Z138 > ... > I-A6397

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Geo Z
ò.å. "ó÷èòåëü íà ïåíñèè"? :confuse :confuse :confuse
Geo Z
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Geo Z

LT
Ñîîáùåíèé: 20117
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 13379
Ìîæåò ïëàòíûé?
DMITRIY MGZ
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê

Ñîîáùåíèé: 235
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2012 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 200
adroff
Geo Z
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Ñïàñèáî, êîëëåãè, çà ó÷àñòèå â îáñóæäåíèè ñòîëü âàæíîãî äëÿ ìåíÿ âîïðîñà.

Âîò òàê îòâåòèë íà ýòîò âîïðîñ íàø âåíãåðñêèé êîëëåãà:

"kegyd.tanító is kegydíjas tanító, translation is very difficult...
Kegydíj is like the pension but until the pension is given based on the law, the kegydíj is given from grace to someone.
So Arthur ROTT was a teacher (probably not any more active), who had got a regularly income from grace since he was not entitled to get pension. Might be there is a word for kegydíj in English, too, but my English is quite poor..."

Íî îïÿòü òðóäíîñòè ïåðåâîäà. Íî ìîæåò áûòü ýòî ðàçúÿñíåíèå, âìåñòå ñ âàøèìè èäåÿìè, äàñò âîçìîæíîñòü ìàêñèìàëüíî ïðèáëèçèòüñÿ ê çíà÷åíèþ óêàçàííîãî ñëîâîñî÷åòàíèÿ. Èíòåðåñíî, ÷òî "kegyd.tanító" â Àäðåñíîé êíèãå âñòðå÷àåòñÿ òîëüêî 1 ðàç, "kegyd." - 1 ðàç ; "máv. kegyd," - 1 ðàç è "özv., kegyd.," - 3 ðàçà. È ýòî â áîëüøóùåì ñïðàâî÷íèêå. Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Äìèòðèé
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ìàëåâàíîâûõ (Ñåðáèÿ, Ïîëüøà, Êóðñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ, Õàðüêîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Ñîôðîíîâûõ (Ïîëüøà, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Êàðòàøåâûõ (Ïîëüøà, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Çàïîðîæ÷åíêî (Åêàòåðèíîñëàâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ)
OGorn
Ó÷àñòíèê

OGorn

Óêðàèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 61
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 29
kegyes tanító - âåðîÿòíî, "ó÷èòåëü áëàãî÷åñòèÿ" (Kegyesség - îäíî èç çíà÷åíèé - "áëàãî÷åñòèå" )

Ñàìî ïîíÿòèå îçíà÷àåò ó÷èòåëÿ â øêîëå, ñîçäàííîé ìîíàøåñêèì îðäåíîì Ïèàðèñòîâ Ñòàòüÿ â Âèêèïåäèè . Îðäåí îñíîâàí â 17 âåêå â Èòàëèè.
Ïèàðèñòû - ñàìè ñåáÿ íàçûâàëè patres scholarum piarum (îòêóäà è ïðîèçîøëî íàçâàíèå,), ÷òî ïåðåâîäèòñÿ êàê "îòöû áîãîóãîäíûõ çàâåäåíèé". Îäíèì èç îñíîâíûõ âèäîâ èõ äåÿòåëüíîñòè áûëî ñîçäàíèå ñïåöèàëüíûõ áåñïëàòíûõ ó÷åáíûõ çàâåäåíèé äëÿ äåòåé. Íå òîëüêî â Èòàëèè è Èñïàíèè, íî è â Àâñòðî-Âåíãåðñêîé ìîíàðõèè, à òàêæå â Ïîëüøå, Ëèòâå) îðäåíîì áûëî ñîçäàíî ìíîæåñòâî òàêèõ øêîë è àíàëîãè÷íûõ èì ó÷åáíûõ çàâåäåíèé, íàïðèìåð, â Áóäàïåøòå è Íèòðå (òåïåðü- Ñëîâàêèÿ).

×òî õàðàêòåðíî, áîëüøå âñåãî ïðî îðäåí ïèàðèñòîâ â èíòåðíåòå ìîæíî íàéòè èìåííî íà âåíãåðñêîì ÿçûêå... Íà ñòàðîâåíãåðñêîì ÿçûêå íàçâàíèå îðäåíà çâó÷èò êàê " kegyes tanítórend".

Ìîæåò áûòü , èíòåðåñíî áóäåò çíàòü, ÷òî øêîëû ïèàðèñòîâ çàêàí÷èâàëè òàêèå âûäàþùèåñÿ ëè÷íîñòè, êàê Ïàïà Ïèé IX, Ãîéÿ, Øóáåðò, Ãðåãîð Ìåíäåëü (áèîëîã) è Âèêòîð Ãþãî
DMITRIY MGZ
Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê

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Ñïàñèáî, OGorn, çà êðàñèâóþ è èíòåðåñíóþ âåðñèþ!
Ïîñëå îáñóæäåíèÿ, ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ìîæíî ñäåëàòü íåêîòîðûå âûâîäû.
Î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî ñëîâà kegydíjas - ñëîæíîå ñëîâî: kegó - ìèëîñòü, áëàãîñêëîííîñòü è díjas - íàãðàäà, ïðåìèÿ, ëàóðåàò.
Ïîýòîìó ìíå ïðåäñòàâëåòñÿ, ÷òî ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿ êîëëåã: ó÷èòåëü íà ïåíñèè, ïëàòèòü ïåðñîíàëüíóþ ïåíñèþ, çàñëóæåííûé ó÷èòåëü íàèáîëåå áëèçêè. Îäíàêî, òî÷íîãî ñîäåðæàíèÿ ýòîãî ñëîâà ìû òàê è íå îïðåäåëèëè. È ýòî ñâÿçàíî ñ íåêîòîðûìè ñïåöèôè÷åñêèìè îñîáåííîñòÿìè âåíãåðñêîé ñèñòåìû òîãî âðåìåíè, êîòîðûå íàì íå èçâåñòíû.

Ïîýòîìó Skoumal Krisztian ïèøåò:
"Kegydíj is like the pension but until the pension is given based on the law, the kegydíj is given from grace to someone.So Arthur ROTT was a teacher (probably not any more active), who had got a regularly income from grace since he was not entitled to get pension."

"Kegydíj ÷òî-òî âðîäå ïåíñèè, íî, â òî âðåìÿ, êàê ïåíñèÿ äàåòñÿ íà îñíîâàíèè çàêîíà, kegydíj äàåòñÿ èç óâàæåíèÿ ê êîìó-òî. Àðòóð ROTT áûë ó÷èòåëåì (âåðîÿòíî, áîëüøå íå àêòèâíûé), êîòîðûé èìåë ðåãóëÿðíûé äîõîä "èç óâàæåíèÿ", òàê êàê îí íå áûë íàäåëåí ïðàâîì ïîëó÷àòü ïåíñèþ."

Ìîæåò áûòü, ýòî ó÷èòåëü, êîòîðûé ïîëó÷àåò ïåíñèþ îò áëàãîòâîðèòåëüíîãî ôîíäà èëè ÷àñòíîãî ëèöà? Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Äìèòðèé
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Ìàëåâàíîâûõ (Ñåðáèÿ, Ïîëüøà, Êóðñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ, Õàðüêîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Ñîôðîíîâûõ (Ïîëüøà, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Êàðòàøåâûõ (Ïîëüøà, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Çàïîðîæ÷åíêî (Åêàòåðèíîñëàâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ)
gecube
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
I-Z58 >I-Z138 > ... > I-A6397

Ñîîáùåíèé: 376
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 199
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Ìîæåò áûòü, ýòî ó÷èòåëü, êîòîðûé ïîëó÷àåò ïåíñèþ îò áëàãîòâîðèòåëüíîãî ôîíäà èëè ÷àñòíîãî ëèöà?
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Ïî ñìûñëó íàïèñàííîãî Êðèñòèàíîì - èìåííî òàê. Ïî ëîãèêå ýòî êàê ðàç åñòü è "ñðåäíåå" èç âñåõ íàøèõ ïðåäïîëîæåíèé.
ÏîÍÈ
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

ÏîÍÈ

Çåëåíîãðàä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 818
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 835
Äåíü äîáðûé!
Óâàæàåìûå çíàòîêè, ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êàê íà âåíãåðñêîì ïðàâèëüíî ïèøóòñÿ èìåíà Íèêîè (íà ðóññêîì çàïèñàí êàê Íèêîëàé) è Òèõîè (çàïèñàí êàê Òèõîí) ?
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Áîðîâèê (ñ.Êîñåíè÷è), Êîâàë¸â (ñ.Ëþáèæ), Ìàåâñêèé, Ëàïêî (ì.Ïóõîâè÷è) - Áåë., Ôåðåíåö (ì.Ñòàâèùå) - Óêð., Ñòóðîâ (Ëèïåöêàÿ îáë., ñ.Ìàëèíîâî(à)), Ïîëîñèí (Ìåëåêåññ), Áàå(¸)â (Óðàë) www.natapolosina.myheritage.com
Skoumi
Ó÷àñòíèê

Budapest, Hungary / Áóäàïåøò, Âåíãðèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 86
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 58
Äîáðûé âå÷åð!

Áóäóò ëè ýòè Íèêîè è Òèõîè ïðîçâèùè?
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì:
Êðèñòèàí - Âåíãðèÿ
(ß ãîâîðþ ïî-íåìåöêè, ïî-aíãëèéñêè è ïî-âåíãåðñêè; äëÿ äëèííûõ ðóññêèõ òåêñòîâ ÿ èñïîëüçóþ Google Translate)
https://www.skoumal.eu/EN/professional.html
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Skoumi
Ó÷àñòíèê

Budapest, Hungary / Áóäàïåøò, Âåíãðèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 86
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 58

Íèêîëàé íà âåíãåðñêîì Ìèêëîø.
Òèõîí íà âåíãåðñêîì, âåðîÿòíî, Òèõàìåð.

Ïî ìîèì ñâåäåíèÿì, Íèêîé è Òèõîé íå ÿâëÿþòñÿ íàñòîÿùèìè âåíãåðñêèìè èìåíàìè.
Ïðîçâèùå Ìèêëîøà - Ìèêè, Òèõàìåðà - Òèõà, Òèõè.

Åñëè áû ïîòîìêè ìîãëè ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñî ìíîé è ïîäåëèòüñÿ áîëåå ïîäðîáíîé èíôîðìàöèåé îá ýòèõ ëþäÿõ, âîçìîæíî, ÿ ìîã áû ïîìî÷ü íåìíîãî áîëüøå â ýòîì äåëå.
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì:
Êðèñòèàí - Âåíãðèÿ
(ß ãîâîðþ ïî-íåìåöêè, ïî-aíãëèéñêè è ïî-âåíãåðñêè; äëÿ äëèííûõ ðóññêèõ òåêñòîâ ÿ èñïîëüçóþ Google Translate)
https://www.skoumal.eu/EN/professional.html
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