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| Dic Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 430 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 41 | Ââåðõ #30 äåêàáðÿ 2003 13:22 ÀÐÕÈÂÍÛÅ òåìû ïî Ýñòîíèè - https://forum.vgd.ru/1468/ Òåìû ïî ÍÅÊÐÎÏÎËßÌ - https://forum.vgd.ru/347/Àäìèíèñòðàòèâíîå äåëåíèå - ñáîðíèê ðåãèîíàëüíûõ ñïðàâî÷íèêîâ â ôîðìàòå djvu Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1955 ãîä, ÷àñòü 1 (4 492 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1955 ãîä, ÷àñòü 2 (4 492 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1955 ãîä, ÷àñòü 3 (4 492 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1955 ãîä, ÷àñòü 4 (4 318 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1972 ãîä (4 503 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1976 ãîä (3 447 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1978 ãîä, ÷àñòü 1 (3 906 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1978 ãîä, ÷àñòü 2 (3 906 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1978 ãîä, ÷àñòü 3 (3 906 ÊÁ) Ýñòîíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ - 1978 ãîä, ÷àñòü 4 (1 946 ÊÁ) http://www.soldat.ru/admdel/
   --- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Dic. | | |
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 2129 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1876 | Ââåðõ #13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:44 Sipsikiarch íàïèñàë: [q] Rittergasse[/q]
Ðèòòåðøòðàññå - ïî-ñîâðåìåííîìó Ðþéòëè òýíàâ, ò.å. òîæå Ðûöàðñêàÿ óëèöà, òîëüêî ïî-ýñòîíñêè. | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 610 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 123 | Ââåðõ #13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 7:04 Ñïàñèáî. Òî ÷òî ðå÷ü èä¸ò î Ðûöàðñêîì ïåðåóëêå ÿ ïîíÿë ñàì, òîëüêî ó ìåíÿ ïî÷åìó-òî íà çàïðîñ “Ruutli” Ãóãë âûäàë òîëüêî Ruutli plats. À îíà ñ Nikolai íèêàê íå ïåðåñåêàåòñÿ. Òîëüêî â ãàçåòå ÷åòêî Gasse, à íå Strasse. Íå áûëî ëè âñå-òàêè Ðûöàðñêîãî ïåðåóëêà? Ñîâðåìåííàÿ Ðþéòëè âåëèêîâàòà äëÿ Gasse.
--- ×åðíîâ, Êàðåëüñêèé, Niesluchowska - Áðîííèöêèé ó.;
Ïàõîìîâ, Ãðèøèí, Äåìåøåâ, Åæîâ -Ïðîíñêèé ó.;
Êóëàêîâ, Ïåíÿãèí, Êðàõèí, Êëû÷íèêîâ, Ãîðîæàíêèí; Íèêîëàåâ, Ìèõàëåâ, Áóáíîâ, ×åðìíîãî - Êîçëîâñêèé ó.;
Enman, Pander, Schockhoff, Beyer - Ëèôëÿíäèÿ;
Brunn - Ïðóññèÿ/Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 610 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 123 | Ââåðõ #13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 9:48 Îðèãèíàëüíûé òåêñò 1852 ãîäà âûãëÿäèò òàê: "Von Einem Wohledlen Rathe der Stadt Pernau werden Alle und Jede, welche an das in hiesiger Stadt in der Nikolai und Rittergasse sub Nr. 171 belegene, mittelst am 20, September c. abgeschlossenen und am 17. Õctober eorroborirten Conrracts. von dem hiesigen Bürger Eduard Fröhberg und dessen Ehegattin Eleonore geb. Löwenberg, an den Arzt erster Abteilung, Herrn Tilulairrath Theodor Enmann verkaufte steinerne Wohnhaus mit dem dazu gehörigen hölzernen Speicher sub Nr. 172 und den sonstigen Appertinentien"
Íå î÷åíü ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî òàêîå ¹ 171 è ¹ 172? Êàêèå-òî êàäàñòðîâûå íîìåðà?
Ñåé÷àñ íà ïåðåñå÷åíèè Ðþéòëè è Íèêîëàè íàõîäÿòñÿ äîìà 14 è 27 ïî Ðþéòëè è 9 ïî Íèêîëàè.
--- ×åðíîâ, Êàðåëüñêèé, Niesluchowska - Áðîííèöêèé ó.;
Ïàõîìîâ, Ãðèøèí, Äåìåøåâ, Åæîâ -Ïðîíñêèé ó.;
Êóëàêîâ, Ïåíÿãèí, Êðàõèí, Êëû÷íèêîâ, Ãîðîæàíêèí; Íèêîëàåâ, Ìèõàëåâ, Áóáíîâ, ×åðìíîãî - Êîçëîâñêèé ó.;
Enman, Pander, Schockhoff, Beyer - Ëèôëÿíäèÿ;
Brunn - Ïðóññèÿ/Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã | | |
PetrFadeevÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 1042 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 642 | Ââåðõ #13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 10:03 --- Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ: von der Borg/von der Borch/von der Burg/Borge. | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 610 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 123 | Ââåðõ #13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 10:13 13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 10:14 This order "EAA.1000.1.8240; Copy Order; No. 538166" cannot be confirmed because at least one selected service is not valid any more. Please update your order! Âûïèñêà îòñþäà: https://dea.digar.ee/cgi-bin/d...---------- --- ×åðíîâ, Êàðåëüñêèé, Niesluchowska - Áðîííèöêèé ó.;
Ïàõîìîâ, Ãðèøèí, Äåìåøåâ, Åæîâ -Ïðîíñêèé ó.;
Êóëàêîâ, Ïåíÿãèí, Êðàõèí, Êëû÷íèêîâ, Ãîðîæàíêèí; Íèêîëàåâ, Ìèõàëåâ, Áóáíîâ, ×åðìíîãî - Êîçëîâñêèé ó.;
Enman, Pander, Schockhoff, Beyer - Ëèôëÿíäèÿ;
Brunn - Ïðóññèÿ/Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã | | |
PetrFadeevÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 1042 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 642 | Ââåðõ #13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 10:29 13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 10:30 Sipsikiarch íàïèñàë: [q] cannot be confirmed because at least one selected service is not valid any more. Please update your order![/q]
À ó âàñ òàì âûáðàí ñòàðûé ñåðâèñ ïî 0.2 åâðî êîïèÿ èëè íîâûé - ïî 0.4 (ïîäîðîæàëî, îäíàêî!)? À òî îíè öåíû ïîâûñèëè, íî â ðàíåå ñîõðàíåííûõ çàêàçàõ ýòî àâòîìàòè÷åñêè íå ìåíÿåòñÿ. --- Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ: von der Borg/von der Borch/von der Burg/Borge. | | |
| Sipsikiarch Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 610 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 123 | Ââåðõ #13 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 10:52 ÎÊ. Ñïàñèáî. Çàêàçàë çàíîâî. --- ×åðíîâ, Êàðåëüñêèé, Niesluchowska - Áðîííèöêèé ó.;
Ïàõîìîâ, Ãðèøèí, Äåìåøåâ, Åæîâ -Ïðîíñêèé ó.;
Êóëàêîâ, Ïåíÿãèí, Êðàõèí, Êëû÷íèêîâ, Ãîðîæàíêèí; Íèêîëàåâ, Ìèõàëåâ, Áóáíîâ, ×åðìíîãî - Êîçëîâñêèé ó.;
Enman, Pander, Schockhoff, Beyer - Ëèôëÿíäèÿ;
Brunn - Ïðóññèÿ/Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã | | |
| Sipsikiarch Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 610 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 123 | Ââåðõ #14 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 11:50 14 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 14:02 Äîáðûé äåíü. Äåëî ìíå ïðèñëàëè. Íî íè÷åãî íîâîãî â íåì íå âèæó. Ïî-ðóññêè íàïèñàíî: "êàìåííûé äîì âî 2 êâàðòàëå ãîðîäà Ïåðíîâ ïîä ¹ 171 ñ àìáàðîì ïîä ¹ 172 è ïðèñòðîéêàìè". Ïî-íåìåöêè, â ïå÷àòíûõ äîêóìåíòàõ åñòü óòî÷íåíèå: "in der Nikolai und Ritter Gasse sub ¹ 171 belegene".  ðóêîïèñíûõ ïî-ìîåìó òîæå ñàìîå.
Íà Saaga íàøåë êàðòó 1851 ãîäà. Âðîäå áû èç íåå ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî Ritter strasse äåëèëà öåíòðàëüíóþ ÷àñòü ãîðîäà íà I è II êâàðòàë. Òîãäà âàðèàíòîâ îñòàåòñÿ äâà: ëèáî íûíåøíèé äîì ¹ 27 ïî Ruutli, ëèáî íå ñîõðàíèâøèéñÿ äîì íà ìåñòå íûíåøíåãî äîìà ¹ 9 ïî Nikolai. --- ×åðíîâ, Êàðåëüñêèé, Niesluchowska - Áðîííèöêèé ó.;
Ïàõîìîâ, Ãðèøèí, Äåìåøåâ, Åæîâ -Ïðîíñêèé ó.;
Êóëàêîâ, Ïåíÿãèí, Êðàõèí, Êëû÷íèêîâ, Ãîðîæàíêèí; Íèêîëàåâ, Ìèõàëåâ, Áóáíîâ, ×åðìíîãî - Êîçëîâñêèé ó.;
Enman, Pander, Schockhoff, Beyer - Ëèôëÿíäèÿ;
Brunn - Ïðóññèÿ/Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã | | |
PetrFadeevÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 1042 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 642 | Ââåðõ #14 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 14:50 Sipsikiarch íàïèñàë: [q] êàìåííûé äîì âî 2 êâàðòàëå ãîðîäà Ïåðíîâ ïîä ¹ 171 ñ àìáàðîì ïîä ¹ 172 è ïðèñòðîéêàìè[/q]
Íó ñìîòðèòå, íà êàðòå 1844 ãîäà ðÿäîì ñ ïåðåêðåñòêîì Ritter Strasse è St. Nicolai strasse ñòîèò öèôðà II, ÷òî âïîëíå ìîæåò ÿâëÿòüñÿ íîìåðîì êâàðòàëà. http://www.ra.ee/kaardid/index.php/en/map/viewImage?id=26005Íà êàðòå 1866 ñòîÿò íîìåðà ó÷àñòêîâ (äîìîâ?) ñî ñïèñêîì æèòåëåé, êàðòà ïîâåðíóòà ïîä íåîáû÷íûì óãëîì (ïî-ìîåìó âîîáùå ââåðõ íîãàìè) è ÿ çàòðóäíÿþñü îïðåäåëèòü òî÷íî ïåðåêðåñòîê, íà êîòîðîì íîìåðà 171 è 172. Êàê îðèåíòèð ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü ðûíî÷íóþ ïëîùàäü, ìîñò è ãîðîäñêóþ ðàòóøó. http://www.ra.ee/kaardid/index.php/en/map/viewImage?id=26111Âîò íà ýòîé êàðòå íà ïåðåêðåñòêå Ritter Strasse è St. Nicolai åñòü äîì (þãî-âîñòî÷íûé îò ïåðåêðåñòêà) íà êîòîðîì ñòîÿò íîìåðà 171-172, êàê ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ìîæåò áûòü ýòî èìåííî îí. http://www.ra.ee/kaardid/index...?id=229200 îáùåì íà ìîé âçãëÿä âñå äîâîëüíî î÷åâèäíî, ÷åì ìîã - ïîìîã. Óñïåõîâ â äàëüíåéøèõ èçûñêàíèÿõ. --- Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ: von der Borg/von der Borch/von der Burg/Borge. | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 610 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 123 | Ââåðõ #14 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 18:05 Ñïàñèáî, Ïåòð. Ïåðâóþ êàðòó ÿ íàøåë ñàì, à âîò äîêîïàòüñÿ äî âòîðîé è, ñàìîå ãëàâíîå òðåòüåé íå ñìîã.
Èñõîäÿ èç òðåòüåé êàðòû ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ñîâðåìåííûé àäðåñ - ýòî Ruutli, 27.
Õîòÿ âòîðàÿ êàðòà ïóòàåò, òàì äîìà 171, 172 ñîâñåì â äðóãîì ìåñòå. --- ×åðíîâ, Êàðåëüñêèé, Niesluchowska - Áðîííèöêèé ó.;
Ïàõîìîâ, Ãðèøèí, Äåìåøåâ, Åæîâ -Ïðîíñêèé ó.;
Êóëàêîâ, Ïåíÿãèí, Êðàõèí, Êëû÷íèêîâ, Ãîðîæàíêèí; Íèêîëàåâ, Ìèõàëåâ, Áóáíîâ, ×åðìíîãî - Êîçëîâñêèé ó.;
Enman, Pander, Schockhoff, Beyer - Ëèôëÿíäèÿ;
Brunn - Ïðóññèÿ/Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã | | |
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ÀÒÄ Ýñòîíèè
15 óåçäîâ (ìààêîíäîâ), âîçãëàâëÿåìûõ óåçäíûìè ñòàðåéøèíàìè (íàçíà÷àþòñÿ ñðîêîì íà 5 ëåò ïðàâèòåëüñòâîì ïî ïðåäñòàâëåíèþ ìèíèñòðà ïî äåëàì ðåãèîíîâ) è ïîäðàçäåëÿþùèõñÿ íà 226 ìåñòíûõ ñàìîóïðàâëåíèé, â ÷èñëå êîòîðûõ 33 ÿâëÿþòñÿ ãîðîäñêèìè, à 193 âîëîñòíûìè
Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî îòäåëüíûì íàñåëåííûì ìåñòàì è ñâîèì ëè÷íûì ïîèñêàì îòêðûâàéòå òåìû â ôàìèëüíûõ èëè äíåâíèêîâûõ ðàçäåëàõ. Ñïèñêè íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò ïî ñòðàíàì îãðîìíû è æåëàþùèõ îòêðûòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òåìû ìíîãî. Äîïóñêàåòñÿ ðàçáèâêà â ðàçäåëå ïî ãîðîäàì, óåçäàì, âîëîñòÿì. Ïðîñüáà - ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîé ñõåìû.