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7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 5:13 Hi,
Firstly, these are Jewish birth records (may be useful in further searches on this branch)
Secondly, there are two birth records on this page, since you said that the record is about the birth of a woman, then I will only translate the record about her (second record is about a boy).
Translation:
Record ¹106
March 3, 1899
Place of birth: Brest-Litovsk
Parents: Pinsk tradesman Yankel Gurin (ßíêåëü Ãóðèí) and Brokha Berkovna (Áðîõà Áåðêîâíà)
Who was born and what name was given to him or her: Maiden Tzipe (Tzipi, Tzipa, Öèïå, Öèïà) | | Ëàéê (2) |
Shulmin Ðîññèÿ Ñîîáùåíèé: 230 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 524 | Íàâåðõ ##
7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 7:33 7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 7:42 siadeblanc íàïèñàë: [q] Pinsk tradesman...[/q]
Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ñîñëîâèå ìåùàí íà àíãëèéñêèé ïåðåâîäèòñÿ êàê tradesman? ß àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê íå èçó÷àë, ïîýòîìó ìíå ÷èñòî íà ñëóõ "òðåéäñìàí" àññîöèèðóåòñÿ ñ òîðãîâëåé, èëè êóïå÷åñòâîì, åñëè ãîâîðèòü î ñîñëîâèÿõ â Ðîñ. èìïåðèè. ---
 ñëó÷àå îòâåòà â ìîåé ôàìèëüíîé òåìå ïðîøó äóáëèðîâàòü ñîîáùåíèå â ëè÷êó, èíà÷å ÿ ìîãó íå óçíàòü. | | |
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7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 8:22 7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 8:23 Shulmin íàïèñàë: [q]
siadeblanc íàïèñàë:
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Pinsk tradesman...
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Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ñîñëîâèå ìåùàí íà àíãëèéñêèé ïåðåâîäèòñÿ êàê tradesman?
ß àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê íå èçó÷àë, ïîýòîìó ìíå ÷èñòî íà ñëóõ "òðåéäñìàí" àññîöèèðóåòñÿ ñ òîðãîâëåé, èëè êóïå÷åñòâîì, åñëè ãîâîðèòü î ñîñëîâèÿõ â Ðîñ. èìïåðèè.
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 öåëîì äà, çà÷àñòóþ ýòî è áûëè ëþäè ñâÿçàííûå ñ òîðãîâëåé è ðåìåñëîì, ðåæå íèçæèå ñëóæàùèå. Ãëàâíîå îòëè÷èå - ãîðîäñêèå. Åñòü åù¸ êðàñèâîå ñëîâî bourgeois (áóðæóàçèÿ) | | Ëàéê (1) |
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7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 19:10 Thanks Siadeblanc for the translation | | Ëàéê (1) |
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7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 19:12 7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 19:18 | | |
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8 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 6:26 FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë: [q] Could I have another translation for the block of text please ? The part of which is highlighted. It's about Vasily Nechaev.
https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...%B2%D0%B0.[/q]
Artillery soldier Vasily Nechaev 33 (y/o) his wife Ekaterina Isaeva 28 (y/o) There is a note about their absence at confession due to negligence (unwillingness) | | Ëàéê (1) |
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8 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 13:52 Shulmin íàïèñàë: [q]
siadeblanc íàïèñàë:
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Pinsk tradesman...
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Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ñîñëîâèå ìåùàí íà àíãëèéñêèé ïåðåâîäèòñÿ êàê tradesman?
ß àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê íå èçó÷àë, ïîýòîìó ìíå ÷èñòî íà ñëóõ "òðåéäñìàí" àññîöèèðóåòñÿ ñ òîðãîâëåé, èëè êóïå÷åñòâîì, åñëè ãîâîðèòü î ñîñëîâèÿõ â Ðîñ. èìïåðèè.
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Íåò, ïî-àíãëèéñêè áëèæå âñåãî ñëîâî burgher - æèòåëü ãîðîäà, äîñëîâíî, áþðãåð. Ò.å. îôèöèàëüíûå ÷ëåíû ãîðîäñêîé îáùèíû. Ñîáñòâåííî íàøè ìåùàíå. tradesman - òîðãîâåö, èíîãäà ðåìåñëåííèê (îäíî èç çíà÷åíèé ñëîâà "trade" - ðåìåñëî), âîçìîæíî ëàâî÷íèê. ïðÿì êóïåö-êóïåö - merchant Ïðîáëåìà èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ ïåðåâîäíûõ ñëîâàðåé | | |
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8 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 14:00 siadeblanc íàïèñàë: [q] Åñòü åù¸ êðàñèâîå ñëîâî bourgeois (áóðæóàçèÿ)[/q]
Áóðæóàçèÿ - ýòî êàïèòàëèñòû, ïðåäïðèíèìàòåëè, âëàäåâøèå êàïèòàëîì, àêòèâàìè, ðàíòüå, âîçìîæíî. Ìåùàíå - ýòî è ïðîñòûå ðàáî÷èå, ïðèñëóãà, ðåìåñëåííèêè, ñëóæàùèå, ìåëêèå òîðãîâöû, ñîâåðøåííî ðàçíîøåðñòíàÿ ïóáëèêà. | | |
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8 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 15:48 8 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 16:45 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ OlgaKob îò 8 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 13:52 Íî âåäü íå êàæäûé æèòåëü ãîðîäà áûë ìåùàíèíîì. Áûëè è êðåñòüÿíå è âîåííûå è òå æå ðåìåñëåííèêè, äâîðÿíñòâî è ò. ï. Óæå íå ãîâîðÿ î òîì, ÷òî íå êàæäûé ìåùàíèí ôàêòè÷åñêè æèë â ãîðîäå (áûëè ïðèïèñàíû ê ãîðîäñêîìó îáùåñòâó, à ôàêòè÷åñêè æèëè â äåðåâíå). Ïîýòîìó ãîðîäñêîé æèòåëü òîæå íå ïîêðûâàåò ïîíÿòèå ìåùàíèíà. Ñêîðåå ýòî ñîáèðàòåëüíûé îáðàç èç òðåõ ýòèõ îïðåäåëåíèé | | |
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8 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 15:53 8 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 16:46 OlgaKob íàïèñàë: [q]
siadeblanc íàïèñàë:
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Åñòü åù¸ êðàñèâîå ñëîâî bourgeois (áóðæóàçèÿ)
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Áóðæóàçèÿ - ýòî êàïèòàëèñòû, ïðåäïðèíèìàòåëè, âëàäåâøèå êàïèòàëîì, àêòèâàìè, ðàíòüå, âîçìîæíî.
Ìåùàíå - ýòî è ïðîñòûå ðàáî÷èå, ïðèñëóãà, ðåìåñëåííèêè, ñëóæàùèå, ìåëêèå òîðãîâöû, ñîâåðøåííî ðàçíîøåðñòíàÿ ïóáëèêà.
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Òóò òîæå, íà ìîé âçãëÿä, ìîæíî ïî ðàçíîìó íà ýòîò âîïðîñ ñìîòðåòü, âñå æå èçíà÷àëüíî áóðæóàçèÿ èñïîëüçîâàëàñü äëÿ îïèñàíèÿ êëàññà ìåæäó êðåñòüÿíñòâîì è äâîðÿíñòâîì (àðèñòîêðàòàìè). Áóðæóàçèÿ òîæå äåëèòñÿ íà êëàññû. È åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, òî ÷òîáû çàïèñàòüñÿ â ìåùàíå íóæíî áûëî è/èëè: èìåòü êàïèòàë, èìåòü â ãîðîäå íåäâèæèìîñòü, çàíèìàòüñÿ òîðãîâëåé/ðåìåñëîì, áûòü ñëóæàùèì. ×òî âïèñûâàåòñÿ â ðàìêè ïîíÿòèé tradesman è bourgeois. Ìû æå íå çíàåì ÷åì îí ñâîå ìåùàíñòâî çàñëóæèë, ìîæåì òîëüêî äîãàäûâàòüñÿ  Âñ¸ æå ìåùàíèí ñëèøêîì ñîáèðàòåëüíîå ïîíÿòèå, ÷òîáû îïðåäåëèòü åãî îäíèì ñëîâîì â àíãëèéñêîì | | |
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