von Wiesen family in St Petersburgh
research of my maternal side relatives
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19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2020 10:41 19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2020 10:49 I got also this "study", is this some old genalogial study of Fonvizin generally available? French language 1965 Paris 1965 Nicolas Ikonnikov and some other Fonvizin papers copies maybe from some noble books, but they all seem to about Fonvizins not how lutheran part of von Wiesen is related to it.
Åñòü ó ìåíÿ è ýòî «ýòþä», ýòî êàêîå-òî ñòàðîå ðîäîñëîâíîå èññëåäîâàíèå Ôîíâèçèíà îáùåäîñòóïíî? Ôðàíöóçñêèé ÿçûê 1965 Ïàðèæ 1965 Íèêîëÿ Èêîííèêîâ è íåêîòîðûå äðóãèå ñòàòüè Ôîíâèçèíà êîïèðóþò, ìîæåò áûòü, èç êàêèõ-òî áëàãîðîäíûõ êíèã, íî âñå îíè, ïîõîæå, î Ôîíâèçèíàõ, à íå î òîì, êàê ëþòåðàíñêàÿ ÷àñòü ôîí Âèçåíà ñâÿçàíà ñ íèì.
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19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2020 10:48 27 ìàðòà 2021 13:50 This is some sketch I got , can aynone say whats written to it? This is my grandfathers brothers studies.
Ýòî êàêîé-òî íàáðîñîê, êîòîðûé ó ìåíÿ åñòü, êòî-íèáóäü ìîæåò ñêàçàòü, ÷òî íà íåì íàïèñàíî?
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19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2020 13:55 Antti69,
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19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2020 13:57 Antti69, "Karlovich" is Nikolay's patronymic. I think you see. --- Èùó ðîäñòâåííèêîâ (áðàòüåâ, ñåñò¸ð, èõ ïîòîìêîâ è äð.) ìîåãî ïðàäåäà Íûðêîâà Ãåîðãèÿ Èâàíîâè÷à (07.04.1912 - 29.04.1980), óðîæåíöà ñåëà Ìèõàë¸âî Âîñêðåñåíñêîãî ðàéîíà Ìîñêîâñêîé îáëàñòè. | | Ëàéê (1) |
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20 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2020 19:58 Hi, thanks for the translation,
Ïðèâåò ñïàñèáî çà ïåðåâîä
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20 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2020 20:10 Antti69, I’s glad to help you. Good luck to you! --- Èùó ðîäñòâåííèêîâ (áðàòüåâ, ñåñò¸ð, èõ ïîòîìêîâ è äð.) ìîåãî ïðàäåäà Íûðêîâà Ãåîðãèÿ Èâàíîâè÷à (07.04.1912 - 29.04.1980), óðîæåíöà ñåëà Ìèõàë¸âî Âîñêðåñåíñêîãî ðàéîíà Ìîñêîâñêîé îáëàñòè. | | Ëàéê (1) |
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1 îêòÿáðÿ 2020 11:18 yavamnedimon íàïèñàë: [q] That is not you have exactly asked for, but these may be helpful cases. First two regarding K..-F. von Wiesen (links you have probably missed), another two I beleive about his grandsons entering gymnasium. Not available online, only by visiting Archives or ordering the copies there.
ÐÃÈÀ 789 - 1(2) - 2921 Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1845ã. Äåëî îá îïðåäåëåíèè â Àêàäåìèþ ôåëüäøåðà Ê.-Ô. ôîí Âèçåíà 9 ÿíâàðÿ 1845 ã., 21ëèñò http://rgia.su/object/2036764353
ÐÃÈÀ 789 - 2 - 128 Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1850 ã. Ïî ïðåäñòàâëåíèè øòàá-ëåêàðÿ Îâåðëàõà îá èìåíîâàíèè ñîñòîÿùåãî ïðè íåì ôåëüäøåðà ôîí Âèçåí Ëåêàðñêèì 10 îêòÿáðÿ 1850 ã. http://rgia.su/object/1175042966
ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá 72 - 1 - 1617 Äåëî î ïðèåìå â ãèìíàçèþ ôîí Âèçåíà Íèêîëàÿ (1894) https://spbarchives.ru/infres/-/archive/cgia/72/1/1617
ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá 72 - 1 - 1482 Äåëî î ïðèåìå â ãèìíàçèþ ôîí Âèçåíà Âëàäèìèðà (1891-1897) https://spbarchives.ru/infres/-/archive/cgia/72/1/1482
I beleive somebody can help you also to check Lutheran metric books of St.-Petersburg churches available online from CGIA.[/q] Hello all, I got some of these records now with help from some fellow forum user. thanks, but the information Im looking for was not in these documents, I think. (Father: Carl Friedrich Ferdinand von Wiesen >>> Son? : Nikolai Georg von Wiesen ) Ïðèâåò âñåì, ÿ ïîëó÷èë íåêîòîðûå èç ýòèõ çàïèñåé ñ ïîìîùüþ îäíîãî èç ïîëüçîâàòåëåé ôîðóìà. ñïàñèáî, íî èíôîðìàöèè, êîòîðóþ ÿ èùó, íå áûëî â ýòèõ äîêóìåíòàõ, ÿ òàê äóìàþ. (I have now ÐÃÈÀ 789 - 2 - 128, ÐÃÈÀ 789 - 1(2) - 2921 and ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá 72 - 1 - 1617 , ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá 72 - 1 - 1482) But there is lots of other documents in RGIA. Could anyone say something if any of these could include Carl Friedrich Ferdinand`s children names, or which one I should order?Íî â ÐÃÈÀ åñòü è äðóãèå äîêóìåíòû. Ìîæåò ëè êòî-íèáóäü ñêàçàòü ÷òî-íèáóäü, åñëè â îäíîì èç íèõ ìîãóò áûòü èìåíà äåòåé Êàðëà Ôðèäðèõà Ôåðäèíàíäà, èëè êàêîå èç íèõ ìíå ñëåäóåò çàêàçàòü? Maybe this one could include childrens names F. 789 Op. 2 1852 D. 15 ? Ìîæåò, çäåñü ìîæíî áûëî áû âêëþ÷èòü äåòñêèå èìåíà? F. 789 Op. 2 1852 ã. Ä. 15 ? Code F. 789 Op. 2 1852 D. 15 Fund name ACADEMY OF ARTS OF THE MFA Inventory F. 789 Op. 2 Inventory section 1852 g. Heading Academy of Arts of the Ministry of the Imperial Court. 1852 In relation to the Livonian Treasury about the registration of the children of the paramedic of the Wiesen Academy in the taxation estate Deadline dates 04 January 1852 https://rgia.su/object/4218747Code F. 789 Op. 2 1854 D. 90 Fund name ACADEMY OF ARTS OF THE MFA Inventory F. 789 Op. 2 Inventory section 1854 g. Heading Academy of Arts of the Ministry of the Imperial Court. 1854 At the request of a paramedic Wiesen to issue his wife's permit for a separate residence Deadline dates June 21, 1854 https://rgia.su/object/4219285F. 789 Op. 2 1855 D. 96 Fund name ACADEMY OF ARTS OF THE MFA Inventory F. 789 Op. 2 Inventory section 1855 g. Heading Academy of Arts of the Ministry of the Imperial Court. 1855 About the death of paramedic Wiesen and the appointment of paramedic Schusler to the Academy Deadline dates September 21, 1855 https://rgia.su/object/4219515F. 789 Op. 2 1857 D. 102 Fund name ACADEMY OF ARTS OF THE MFA Inventory F. 789 Op. 2 Inventory section 1857 g. Heading Academy of Arts of the Ministry of the Imperial Court. 1857 At the request of the widow of a paramedic Wiesen to issue her and her children a residence permit Deadline dates 07 October 1857 https://rgia.su/object/4219969 --- - Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
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1 îêòÿáðÿ 2020 12:51 1 îêòÿáðÿ 2020 12:52 okay I ordered these 3 documents below , hope there is some info. Øèôð Ô. 789 Îï. 2 1852 ã. Ä. 15 Íàçâàíèå ôîíäà ÀÊÀÄÅÌÈß ÕÓÄÎÆÅÑÒ ÌÈÄâ Îïèñü Ô. 789 Îï. 2 Ðàçäåë îïèñè 1852 ã. Çàãîëîâîê Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1852 ã. Ïî îòíîøåíèþ Ëèôëÿíäñêîé êàçåííîé ïàëàòû î ïðèïèñêå äåòåé ôåëüäøåðà Àêàäåìèè Âèçåíà â ïîäàòíîå ñîñëîâèå Êðàéíèå äàòû 04 ÿíâàðÿ 1852 ã. Ïîñòîÿííàÿ ññûëêà íà äàííîå îïèñàíèå: https://rgia.su/object/4218747Øèôð Ô. 789 Îï. 2 1857 ã. Ä. 102 Íàçâàíèå ôîíäà ÀÊÀÄÅÌÈß ÕÓÄÎÆÅÑÒ ÌÈÄâ Îïèñü Ô. 789 Îï. 2 Ðàçäåë îïèñè 1857 ã. Çàãîëîâîê Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1857 ã. Ïî ïðîøåíèþ âäîâû ôåëüäøåðà Âèçåíà î âûäà÷å åé ñ äåòüìè âèäà äëÿ æèòåëüñòâà Êðàéíèå äàòû 07 îêòÿáðÿ 1857 ã. Ïîñòîÿííàÿ ññûëêà íà äàííîå îïèñàíèå: https://rgia.su/object/4219969Ô. 789 Îï. 2 1854 ã. Ä. 90 Íàçâàíèå ôîíäà ÀÊÀÄÅÌÈß ÕÓÄÎÆÅÑÒ ÌÈÄâ Îïèñü Ô. 789 Îï. 2 Ðàçäåë îïèñè 1854 ã. Çàãîëîâîê Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1854 ã. Ïî ïðîñüáå ôåëüäøåðà Âèçåíà î âûäà÷å æåíå åãî âèäà äëÿ îòäåëüíîãî îò íåãî æèòåëüñòâî Êðàéíèå äàòû 21 èþíÿ 1854 ã. Ïîñòîÿííàÿ ññûëêà íà äàííîå îïèñàíèå: https://rgia.su/object/4219285 --- - Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
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16 îêòÿáðÿ 2020 13:18 17 îêòÿáðÿ 2020 10:15 Hello again. Im not sure of this but anyone have some time to check this , would it be possible that these two persons are actually the same person? È ñíîâà çäðàâñòâóéòå. ß íå óâåðåí â ýòîì, íî ó êîãî-íèáóäü åñòü âðåìÿ, ÷òîáû ïðîâåðèòü ýòî, âîçìîæíî ëè, ÷òî ýòè äâà ÷åëîâåêà íà ñàìîì äåëå îäíî è òî æå? Arthur Wilhelm von WiesenMale Born 30. joulukuuta 1882 Riga, Latvia Christined 24.04.1883 in St Petersburgh Parent : Hermann Woldemar von Wiesen Emilie Marie Katharine von Wiesenand Hermanns father is Carl Friedrich Ferdinand von Wiesenhttps://www.geni.com/people/Ar...0306768906and Artur Vladimirovich FonvizinFather: Voldemar Karlovich von WiesenBorn 11. tammikuuta 1883 Riga, Latvia and December 30 1882 in the Julian calendarhttps://www.geni.com/people/Ar...5761192824 --- - Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü? | | |
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17 îêòÿáðÿ 2020 10:08 Hi again, we determined its most probably the same person. I have merged these two profiles now to the same. This was great find. Some sources in internet say Arhur had siblings also "In addition to him, the family has an older brother and sister. Soon after the birth of their youngest son, the family moved to St. Petersburg."
In myheritage there is one Stillborn von Wiesen born 27.Dec 1882 Saint Pétersbourg with same parents . Wonder how its even possible to birth 2 childrens so fast after another... I havent found this actual church record yet. If anyone has any more information about Artur Fonvizins family would be nice.
Åùå ðàç ïðèâåò, ìû îïðåäåëèëè, ÷òî ýòî, ñêîðåå âñåãî, îäèí è òîò æå ÷åëîâåê ß îáúåäèíèë ýòè äâà ïðîôèëÿ â îäèí. Ýòî áûëà îòëè÷íàÿ íàõîäêà. Íåêîòîðûå èñòî÷íèêè â Èíòåðíåòå ñîîáùàþò, ÷òî ó Àðòóðà áûëè áðàòüÿ è ñåñòðû: «Ïîìèìî íåãî â ñåìüå åñòü ñòàðøèé áðàò è ñåñòðà. Âñêîðå ïîñëå ðîæäåíèÿ ìëàäøåãî ñûíà ñåìüÿ ïåðååõàëà â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã».
 ìîåì íàñëåäèè îäèí ìåðòâîðîæäåííûé ôîí Âèçåí, ðîäèâøèéñÿ 27 äåêàáðÿ 1882 ãîäà â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, îò îäíèõ ðîäèòåëåé. Èíòåðåñíî, êàê âîîáùå âîçìîæíî ðîäèòü äâóõ äåòåé òàê áûñòðî çà äðóãèì ... ß åùå íå íàøåë ýòó ôàêòè÷åñêóþ öåðêîâíóþ çàïèñü. Áûëî áû íåïëîõî, åñëè ó êîãî-òî åñòü äîïîëíèòåëüíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î ñåìüå Àðòóðà Ôîíâèçèíûõ.
thank you áëàãîäàðþ âàñ
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