Íàðèñóéòå ñâîå äðåâî. Áåñïëàòíî. Îíëàéí.   [õ]
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Íà ñàéòå ÂÃÄ ñîáèðàþòñÿ ëþäè, óâëå÷åííûå ãåíåàëîãèåé, èñòîðèåé, ãåðàëüäèêîé è ò.ä. Çäåñü âû íàéäåòå ñîáåñåäíèêîâ, ýêñïåðòîâ, óìåëûõ ïîìîùíèêîâ â ïîèñêàõ ïðåäêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Âàì ïîäñêàæóò ãäå èñêàòü äîêóìåíòû î ïàâøèõ â áîÿõ è ïðîïàâøèõ áåç âåñòè, â êàêîé àðõèâ îáðàòèòüñÿ ïðè èññëåäîâàíèè ðîäîñëîâíîé ñâîåé ñåìüè, ïîìîãóò îïðåäåëèòü ïî ñòàðîé ôîòîãðàôèè ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê âîèíñêèì ÷àñòÿì, âåäîìñòâàì è ÷èíó. ÂÃÄ - ïîèñê ëþäåé â ïðîøëîì, íàñòîÿùåì è áóäóùåì!
Âíèç ⇊
 Ðàçäåëå "Êíèæíàÿ ïîëêà" - https://forum.vgd.ru/394/
ïðåäëàãàþòñÿ äëÿ îçíàêîìëåíèÿ êíèãè, ïóáëèêàöèè è äðóãèå èñòî÷íèêè èíôîðìàöèè ïî òåìàòèêå ýòîãî ðàçäåëà:
https://forum.vgd.ru/398/ - èñòîðèÿ ðåëèãèîçíûõ ó÷åíèé è ó÷ðåæäåíèé;
ñîñëîâèÿ - https://forum.vgd.ru/401/
óêàçàòåëè (àëôàâèòû, ñïèñêè) - https://forum.vgd.ru/406/
ýíöèêëîïåäèè (ñïðàâî÷íèêè, ñëîâàðè) - https://forum.vgd.ru/407/
ïåðèîäèêà - https://forum.vgd.ru/426/
ãîñ. èñòî÷íèêè èíôîðìàöèè: ñïðàâî÷íèêè, ÀÊ, ÏÊ è ïð. - https://forum.vgd.ru/397/
ÏÐÀÂÎÂÎÅ ÐÅÃÓËÈÐÎÂÀÍÈÅ ÄÅßÒÅËÜÍÎÑÒÈ ÊÎÍÔÅÑÑÈÉ Â ÐÎÑÑÈÉÑÊÎÉ ÈÌÏÅÐÈÈ
 ÊÎÍÖÅ XVIII – ÍÀ×ÀËÅ ÕÕ â. Ô. Ì. ÊÓËÈÅÂ

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David
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Ãåðìàíèÿ, Ãàíîâåð
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Ðàçûñêèâàþ òåõ, ÷üè ïðåäêè ïðîæèâàëè â Âèçåíôåëüäå(Wiesenfeld) Ýðëåíáàõñêîãî(Êàìåíñêîãî) êàíòîíà Ðåñïóáëèêè Íåìöåâ Ïîâîëæüÿ.
Âñåì, êòî èñêðåííå çàíÿò ïîèñêîì âñåãî ÷òî ñâÿçàíî ñ Íåì. Ïîâîëæüåì, ïîìîãó ÷åì îáëàäàþ!

Ãëàâíûå âåòâè Äðåâà Áëåì, Ëàíã, Âèíòåð, Îáëåíäåð, Ìàéåð. Åùå ïðåäîñòàâëÿþ ñïèñêè íåì. ôàìèëèé âñòðå÷àþùèõñÿ â ìîåì ðîäîñëîâíîì äðåâå. Î íåêîòîðûõ èçâåñòíà òîëüêî ôàìèëèÿ, î äðóãèõ áîëüøå â çàâèñèìîñòè îò ñòåïåíè ðîäñòâà. Àéçåí, Áåêêåð, Áîðãäîðô, Áðàóí, Áðåíêìàí, Âàçåìèëëåð, Âàíäëåð, Âåêåññåð, Âîëüô, Ãààê, Ãàëëåð, Ãàóê, Ãåáåëü, Ãåìáóõ, Ãåíòëåð, Ãåõò, Ãîðèõ, Ãðàóáåðãåð, Ãðîññ, Ãóáåð, Ãóäøìèäò, Äåðìåð, Åññå, Çîìåðôåëüä, Èîñ, Êàéëü, Êåéá, Êîðï, Êèëüõ, Êèïïåñ, Êëåìïôåð, Êîîï, Êðàóáåðã, Ëàóáãàí, Ëåíåøìèäò, Ëåéíâåáåð, Ëèòàó, Ìàðòåëü, Ìàòóñ, Ìåðê, Ìèëëåð, Íîéìàí, Îáåðäîðôåð, Ïàóëü, Ïèíåêåð, Ðàéö, Ðàóõ, Ðåéòåð, Ðèáåëü, Ðîëüãîéçåð, Ñóïïåñ, Òàóáåðò, Òåâñ, Òèññåí, Ôðåéìàí, Ôðèöëåð, Õàéíáèõíåð, Õèëüäåðìàí, Öâåöèõ, Öèãëåð, Øàéáåëü, Øàóýð, Øâàðö, Øååë, Øåôíåð, Øèåíôåëüä, Øèëüáåðò, Øëîòõàâð, Øíàéäåð, Øíàéäò, Øíåéäåð, Øòàéìåö, Øòàéíãàóýð, Øòàíã, Øòèáåí, Øòðåáåëü, Øòðèêåð, Øòóìïô, Øóòö, Ùóëüö, Ýãîâ, Ýêøòàéí, ßêîáè, ßíöåí.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
David
Artvott
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Äîáðûé äåíü èíòåðåñóåò ôàìèëèÿ Äèðëÿéí êîëîíèÿ Ãîðîäîê ïîòîì Íåì Õàãèíêà, ñïàñèáî
Êîíñòàíòèí68

Êîíñòàíòèí68

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Artvott íàïèñàë:
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Äîáðûé äåíü èíòåðåñóåò ôàìèëèÿ Äèðëÿéí êîëîíèÿ Ãîðîäîê ïîòîì Íåì Õàãèíêà, ñïàñèáî
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Ïðè÷¸ì òóò ïîâîëæñêèå íåìöû?

ÃÎÐÎÄÎÊ (òàêæå Êàòåðèíïîëü), äî 1917 – ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóá., Áîðçíåíñêèé ó., Áåëîâåæñêèé êîëîí. îêð.;
Êàëü÷èíîâñêàÿ âîë.; â ñîâ. ïåðèîä – ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ îáë., Äìèòðèåâñêèé/Ïàðàôèåâñêèé ð-í. Ëþò. ñåëî, îñí.
â 1767. Ó ð. Îñòåð, â 30 êì ê þãî-âîñò. îò Áîðçíû. Îñíîâàòåëè – 51 ñåìüÿ èç Ãåññåíà è Çàï. Ïðóññèè.
Êîëîíèÿ ðåìåñëåííèêîâ (ïîñåëåíöû ïîëó÷èëè ìàëî çåìëè è îñòàëèñü áåäíåéøèìè â îêð. èç-çà íåäîñòàòêà
ñïðîñà íà ñâîè èçäåëèÿ). Ñèëüíûé ïîæàð (1878). Ëþò. ïðèõîä Áåëîâåæ. Çåìëè 818 äåñ. (1878), 1000 äåñ.
(1941; 98 äâîð.). 4 âåòð. ìåëüíèöû. Øêîëà, èçáà-÷èòàëüíÿ. Ñåëüñîâåò (1931). Æèò. âûñåëåíû â Âàðòåãàó â
ñåíò. 1943. Æèò.: 95 (1795), 187 (1807), 91 (1833), 328 (1859), 571 (1879), 517 (1892), 673/575 íåì. (1897),
536 (1905), 530 (1917), 580 (1920), 650 (1926), 693 (1931), 567 (1939), 386 (1942; 26 ÷åë. äåïîðòèðîâàíû).
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Èùó: Êîíñòàíòèíîâû,Ïîïîâû,Áðþçãèíû (ã.Äóáîâêà Âîëãîãðàäñê.), Ìóíö, Ìèííèõ, Øòàìì, Øìèäò, Øòðåìåëü (ñ.Óñòü-Ãðÿçíóõà, ñ.Êàìåíêà Âîëãîãðàäñê.), Êèçíåð, ßêîá, Äåø (ñ.Ïôåéôåð Âîëãîãðàäñê.), Øåõòåëü (ñ.Øóêê è ñ.Êàìåíêà), Äîêó÷àåâû (ñë.Ìÿ÷êîâî Âëàäèìèðñê. è Öàðèöûí),Êèïðèÿíîâû (ä.Äðåñâÿíêà Âîëîãîäñê.),Àíòî
WaldemarKeer

WaldemarKeer

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Adler, Adolf, Adolph, Agnes, Alberg, Albert, Albrecht, Aldrich, Anderson, Arndt, Aschenbrenner, Aune, Austin, Ayersman, Bachmann, Bahr, Bakken, Balzer, Bartholoma, Bastronm, Batth, Bauer, Baum, Baumeister, Beall, Beckel, Becker, Beeker, Beers, Behm, Beigal, Beigel, Bell, Bender, Benner, Berger, Berghoff, Bernhardt, Besel, Bitter, Blum, Bohlender, Borth, Bowers, Boyer, Brandtner, Brehm, Bretthauer, Brill, Bropp, Buckoltz, Burbach, Burback, Burbank, Carrell, Cauble, Claus, Cleland, Copko, Coppinger, Cripe, Crowley, Curts, Dahlen, Deering, Deines, Delker, Dennin, Derr, Detore, Dettermann, Dick, Dickhaut, Dietz, Dinner, Doerr, Drais, Duerr, Dugan, Ebel, Eckert, Eckhardt, Ehler, Eisele, Eissinger, Ellenberger, Engelhardt, Engstrom, Erickson, Essinger, Felker, Fenerstein, Fennell, Feuerst, Feuerstein, Fields, Filker, Findel, Fink, Fischer, Fiske, Foelker, Folmer, Foos, Forbes, Fougberg, Frank, Freauf, Fretenburg, Frieauf, Fries, Fritz, Fromm, Frueauf, Fruehauf, Fuehrer, Fuerstein, Gabel, Gable, Garrison, Gebel, Geis, Geist, Georg, George, Gerlach, Gettmann, Giebelhaus, Giese, Gilbrech, Gilliam, Gilliland, Glanz, Goebel, Goergens, Gooderham, Gorden, Gordon, Graf, Graff, Granberger, Grebelhaus, Grosmick, Gunstram, Gutwig, Gyorog, Haberer, Hagist, Hahn, Hamburg, Hanke, Hart, Hartung, Hausch, Hauser, Heims, Heizenreter, Helzer, Henkel, Herder, Hergenreder, Hergert, Hermes, Hessler, Hiebert, Hill, Hinkel, Hirschenmann, Hoefel, Hoefle, Hoelzer, Hohnstein, Holmann, Holzworth, Hommel, Hopp, Hoppe, Huber, Hume, Hunter, Ingram, Isom, Jacoby, Jaeger, Jakobi, Jarris, Josephsen, Jossie, Jost, Kaas, Kaiser, Kammerzell, Kanzler, Karg, Keithley, Keller, Kendrick, Kern, Kildau, Kilgore, Kiltau, Kilthau, Kiltow, Kirk, Klaus, Kleinfelder, Kline, Klippert, Kneppel, Kniss, Koch, Koleff, Komp, Korpi, Kovacs, Kraft, Kramer, Kreick, Kretz, Krieck, Krieger, Kromm, Krska, Krumbholz, Kuch, Kuehn, Kuest, Kurth, Lamar, Lass, Lasswell, Latt, Lebhardt , Lechel, Leel, Legai, Legler, Leher, Lehl, Leichner, Lenhardt, Lenz, Lepley, Liebrecht, Lind, Lindenmeyer, Linnemann, Lisaski, Loebsack, Loffing, Logen, Loken, Loos, Luft, Lutz, Maier, Maneke, Margheim, Marquart, Martin, Mashburn, Mathias, May, Meier, Meininger, Meisner, Melcher, Merkle, Merson, Metzler, Meyer, Mill, Miller, Mitzler, Mohr, Monnett, Moore, Moos, Morgan, Moser, Mueller, Munn, Muth, Myers, Nagel, Neal, Nelson, Nessler, Neu, Neumann, Nutz, Nye, Obermiller, Olsen, Olson, Pabst, Palmer, Pauli, Pauly, Peil, Peters, Petterson, Pfeifer, Pfenning, Phipps, Poffenroth, Preisendorf, Pridgeon, Purhsman, Quast, Raab, Raeuber, Randall, Raser, Ratzlaw, Rau, Ray, Reed, Reich, Reichert, Reider, Reisbech, Reisbeck, Reisig, Remsen, Repp, Resch, Reusbich, Richards, Rickman, Rieger, Ries, Riffel, Ring, Rogers, Roh, Rohde, Roll, Roltz, Romaine, Roper, Rosander, Ross, Roth , Rudarmel, Rueck, Ruth, Rutz, Ryckman, Ryser, Sampert, Sauer, Schaefer, Schaeffer, Schafer, Scharich, Schatz, Scheidemann, Scherer, Schibelhut, Schiebelhut, Schiewe, Schindt, Schippelhut, Schlegel, Schleicher, Schleiger, Schleining, Schlicht, Schlitt, Schlossor, Schlotthauer, Schmeer, Schmehr, Schmer, Schmerr, Schmidt, Schneider, Schneidmiller, Schnell, Schnorr, Schoessler, Schott, Schreiber, Schreiner, Schuetze, Schultz, Schwab, Schwabenland, Schwartz, Schwarz, Schwarzkopf, Schwind, Schwindt, Seeler, Seibel, Seterr, Siever, Simonson, Sinner, Sittner, Slank, Snodgrass, Soeller, Sohn, Spady, Spieger, Spies, Spor, Sprecher, Staerkel, Steder, Stefan, Stegeman, Steinbecher, Steinepreis, Steiner, Steinpreis, Steismann, Stibbe, Stieben, Strecker, Streich, Tarnasky, Thaut, Thaysen, Theissen, Thomas, Tienken, Tober, Traudt, Trebelhorn, Treber, Trepanier, Trieber, Troudt, Trout, Trueber, Tucker, Tuten, Tyler, Urbach, Urback, Veil, Veit, Villmer, Voegler, Volst, Wachter, Wagner, Walker, Walrack, Walter, Wasenmiller, Watters, Wacker, Weber, Wegner, Weidenbach, Weidenkeller, Weigandt, Weigel, Weiser, Weishaar, Weiss, Weitz, Weitzel, Weizenreter, Welke, Werre, Werth, Wertz, Weschenfelder, Weterspahn, Werner, Wiege, Will, Williams, Wilmoth, Winters, Withermax, Woelfle, Woelsle, Wolf, Wolfe, Woodruff, Worthen, Wygandt, Yaeger, Yost, Yucker, Yuckert, Zackgo, Zedar, Zieg, Zitterkoff, Zocher.
Ïî çàïðîñó äðåâî âûëîæó çäåñü.

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tinak
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ WaldemarKeer îò 26 íîÿáðÿ 2023 17:45
Äîáðûé äåíü! Áóäó áëàãîäàðíà, åñëè âûëîæèòå èíôîðìàöèþ ïî ôàìèëèè Keller. Ìîè Êåëëåð ñêîðåå âñåãî èç Íèæíåé Äîáðèíêè.
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î Êëî÷êîâ/Êëà÷êîâ, Ëàïèí, Ñòàðèíöåâ, Ôåäèí (Áàðíàóëüñêèé óåçä). Êåëëåð, Âàéìàí (íåìåöêèå êîëîíèè â Ïîâîëæüå). Ëåîíòüåâ (Åíèñåéñêàÿ ãóá. Êðàñíîÿðñê), Òàðóòèí, Âåíãëèíñêèé Òîáîëüñêàÿ ãóá.
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tinak íàïèñàë:
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èíôîðìàöèþ ïî ôàìèëèè Keller.
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Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: Keller Daniel.jpg
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Çà÷åì âûêëàäûâàòü íåïîíÿòíî êàêèå è îòêóäà âåòêè êàêèõ òî íåèçâåñòíûõ íåìöåâ, íå ôàêò, ÷òî ïîâîëæñêèõ âîîáùå?
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Èùó: Êîíñòàíòèíîâû,Ïîïîâû,Áðþçãèíû (ã.Äóáîâêà Âîëãîãðàäñê.), Ìóíö, Ìèííèõ, Øòàìì, Øìèäò, Øòðåìåëü (ñ.Óñòü-Ãðÿçíóõà, ñ.Êàìåíêà Âîëãîãðàäñê.), Êèçíåð, ßêîá, Äåø (ñ.Ïôåéôåð Âîëãîãðàäñê.), Øåõòåëü (ñ.Øóêê è ñ.Êàìåíêà), Äîêó÷àåâû (ñë.Ìÿ÷êîâî Âëàäèìèðñê. è Öàðèöûí),Êèïðèÿíîâû (ä.Äðåñâÿíêà Âîëîãîäñê.),Àíòî
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WaldemarKeer

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Êîíñòàíòèí68 íàïèñàë:
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íåèçâåñòíûõ íåìöåâ
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Óâàæàåìûé Êîíñòàíòèí68! Åñëè áû ó âàñ â äðåâå áûëî 24 ïîêîëåíèÿ, ó Âàñ áûëî áû 16,6 ìèëëèîíà ôàìèëèé! Óâåðåí, Âàø ïîèñê åù¸ íå îêîí÷åí. Òå ïåðñîíû, êîòîðûõ Âû íàçûâàåòå «íåèçâåñòíûìè íåìöàìè», ìîãóò èìåòü ñàìîå ïðÿìîå îòíîøåíèå ê ïîèñêó. Ïðîñòî ëþáîé ïîèñê íàäî óãëóáèòü!

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Waldemar Keer
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Êîíñòàíòèí68

Êîíñòàíòèí68

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Êîíñòàíòèí68 íàïèñàë:
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íåèçâåñòíûõ íåìöåâ
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Óâàæàåìûé Êîíñòàíòèí68! Åñëè áû ó âàñ â äðåâå áûëî 24 ïîêîëåíèÿ, ó Âàñ áûëî áû 16,6 ìèëëèîíà ôàìèëèé! Óâåðåí, Âàø ïîèñê åù¸ íå îêîí÷åí. Òå ïåðñîíû, êîòîðûõ Âû íàçûâàåòå «íåèçâåñòíûìè íåìöàìè», ìîãóò èìåòü ñàìîå ïðÿìîå îòíîøåíèå ê ïîèñêó. Ïðîñòî ëþáîé ïîèñê íàäî óãëóáèòü!

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Waldemar Keer
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