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19 ìàðòà 2015 11:10 Î÷åíü êñòàòè êòî-òî èç "ñòàðè÷êîâ" 23ýíäÌè (RPaine) îòïèñàëñÿ â òåìå "How many cousins" (Ñêîëüêî ñîâïàäåíöåâ) https://www.23andme.com/you/community/thread/3162/:Ýòî î÷åíü ñòàðàÿ òåìà. Äëÿ áîëüøèíñòâà êîëè÷åñòâî ÄÍÊ-ñîâïàäåíöåâ ââîäèò â çàáëóæäåíèå. Ýòà òåìà áûëà íà÷àòà â òå âðåìåíà, êîãäà â áàçå áûëî îê. 40.000 ÷åëîâåê, íàì ïîêàçûâàëè âñåõ ñîâïàäåíöåâ ñ ñåãìåíòàìè áîëåå 7 ñÌ, 0,09%. 23ýíäÌè óñòàíàâëèâàåò ïëàâàþùèé ïîòîëîê ïðèáë. â 1000 ñîâïàäåíöåâ â ñïèñêå ÐÔ (DNA Relatives) è ìåäëåííî ðàñòóùèé ïîðîã äëÿ åãî ïîääåðæàíèÿ.  ìàå 2010 ó ìåíÿ áûëî379 ñîâïàäåíöåâ ñ ìèí. 0.09% îáùíîñòè; åñëè ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî â òî âðåìÿ ÿ ñîâïàäàë ïðèáë. ñ 1.2% èç 30.000 ó÷àñòíèêîâ áàçû äàííûõ â òî âðåìÿ, òî ïðè íûíåøíåé áàçå â 800.000 ÷åë. ó ìåíÿ, âåðîÿòíî, 9-10 òûñ. ìàëåíüêèõ ñîâïàäåíöåâ, êîòîðûõ ìíå íå ïîêàçûâàþò.  íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ ó ìåíÿ ïîðîã 0.20%, îê. 15cM. Ïîñìîòðèòå íà ñâîèõ íåäàâíèõ ñîâïàäåíöåâ, ÷òîáû ïîíÿòü, êàêîé ïîðîã ó Âàñ. Êîëè÷åñòâî ñîâïàäåíöåâ ó Âàñ çàâèñèò îò âàøåé ýòíè÷åñêîé ïðèíàäëåæíîñòè è òîãî, ñêîëüêî ïîêîëåíèé íàçàä Âàøè ïðåäêè ïðèåõàëè â ÑØÀ. Áîëüøèíñòâî ïðîòåñòèðîâàâøèõñÿ - àìåðèêàíöû ñ ïðåäêàìè èç ñ.-ç. Åâðîïû. This is a very old thread. For most people the number of matches in Dna relatives is misleading. This thread was started when the database only had about 40,000 people in it, we were shown all matches larger than 7cM, 0.09%. 23andme has a floating ceiling of around 1000 matches in a person’s Dna relatives. 23andme uses a slowly rising cutoff point for each person to maintain the ceiling. In May of 2010 I had 379 matches with a minimum size of 0.09% and calculated that I matched about 1.2% of the 30,000-member database at that time, with the current database of 800,000 I likely have 9-10 thousand small matches that I am not shown. My current cutoff point is 0.20%, about 15cM. (Look at you most recent matches to learn what your current cutoff point is.) Your number of matches will depend on your ethnic ancestry and how many generations ago your ancestors arrived in the country. The majority of people who have tested are North Americans with northwestern European ancestry (colonial er... ---
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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
feta Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 638 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2012 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 414 | Íàâåðõ ##
22 ìàðòà 2015 22:32 Âñå òàê, òîëüêî ïî-ïðåæíåìó îòâå÷àþò ïî÷åìó-òî ñàìûå äàëüíèå, à ñàìûå áëèæíèå - ìîë÷àò.
Î÷åíü ýòî íåïîíÿòíî, âåäü òåïåðü íåò ìåäèöèíñêîé îïöèè, âðîäå âñå äëÿ ãåíåàëîãèè òåñòèðóþòñÿ.
Âîçìîæíî, ìíîãèå íå íàñòðàèâàþò îïîâåùåíèå ïî å-ìåéë. È ïîýòîìó îòâå÷àþò òîëüêî ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî ìåñÿöåâ.
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nmash Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 6479 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 3563 | Íàâåðõ ##
22 ìàðòà 2015 23:09 feta íàïèñàë: [q] Î÷åíü ýòî íåïîíÿòíî, âåäü òåïåðü íåò ìåäèöèíñêîé îïöèè, âðîäå âñå äëÿ ãåíåàëîãèè òåñòèðóþòñÿ.
Âîçìîæíî, ìíîãèå íå íàñòðàèâàþò îïîâåùåíèå ïî å-ìåéë. È ïîýòîìó îòâå÷àþò òîëüêî ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî ìåñÿöåâ. [/q]
Åùå ñòðàííåå - äîñòàòî÷íî áëèçêèå - îòâåðãàþò ïðèãëàøåíèå!  ---
Íàòàëèÿ. U5a1d2a ˸òîâû (Ðÿç.), Ñóðèêîâû, Áàøèëîâû, Ñóðîâû (Ïîäìîñêîâüå), Ñóááîòèíû, Ñòîëÿðîâû, Àíäðèàíîâû, Äîëæåíêî (Åéñê), Ùåðáèíû (Ïîëòàâ. è Êóáàíü) Íåéãåáàóåð. http://rusgenealogy.clan.su/ Âñå ìîè è ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ äàííûå òîëüêî äëÿ ãåíåàëîãèè. | | |
Åëåíà Àëåêñàíäðîâíà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1649 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1164 | Íàâåðõ ##
22 ìàðòà 2015 23:19 ìîÿ äîãàäêà: ìîæåò îíè õîòåëè ïîëó÷èòü òîëüêî êîíêðåòíîå ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ ðîäñòâà ñ êîíêðåòíûì ÷åëîâåêîì.
ìû -îñòàëüíûå, èõ ïðîñòî íå èíòåðåñóåì. ---
U5a1d2a.ô-èè: Êîðîòêåâè÷, Ìèõàëåíêî,Ìèíåíêî, Êîøëà÷åâ, Õîëîäîê, Áåëÿíñêèé (Êóáàíü); Ïðàâèêîâ (Ìîñêâà è Ðÿçàíü - Ñïàññêèé ìåùàíèí); Äðîáûøåâñêèé (Øåïîòîâè÷è, ×å÷åðñê); Áåëàðóñü: Êàðòóí, Àíöóê, Åíæèåâñêèé, Åíäðæèåâñêèé, Ñóêà÷, Ìåëåøêåâè÷, Ëîìàêî, Áîéêà÷åâ, Êóð÷èöêèé, Ùóðà, Ãàëÿêåâè÷. | | |
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23 ìàðòà 2015 10:44 23 ìàðòà 2015 10:46 nmash íàïèñàë: [q] Åùå ñòðàííåå - äîñòàòî÷íî áëèçêèå - îòâåðãàþò ïðèãëàøåíèå![/q]
Âîò íè îäíîãî ðàçà íå ñòðàííî ))). Íå çàáûâàéòå, ÷òî êîãäà ðå÷ü èäåò î áëèçêèõ, ðàçãîâîð ìîæåò ïåðåéòè èç ÷èñòî íàó÷íîé ïëîñêîñòè âî âïîëíå ïðàêòè÷åñêóþ. Ïîäñîçíàòåëüíûé ñòðàõ îáúÿñíèì. À âäðóã äà èì ÷òî-òî îò ìåíÿ ïîíàäîáèòñÿ? - ýòî ìîÿ äîãàäêà. Íàøëà î÷åíü áëèçêîãî ðîäñòâåííèêà è âñÿ÷åñêè îòòÿãèâàþ ìîìåíò çíàêîìñòâà. | | |
litana Ðîññèÿ, Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 5761 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2938 | Íàâåðõ ##
23 ìàðòà 2015 11:27 lawanda íàïèñàë: [q] nmash íàïèñàë:[q] Åùå ñòðàííåå - äîñòàòî÷íî áëèçêèå - îòâåðãàþò ïðèãëàøåíèå![/q]
Âîò íè îäíîãî ðàçà íå ñòðàííî ))). Íå çàáûâàéòå, ÷òî êîãäà ðå÷ü èäåò î áëèçêèõ, ðàçãîâîð ìîæåò ïåðåéòè èç ÷èñòî íàó÷íîé ïëîñêîñòè âî âïîëíå ïðàêòè÷åñêóþ. Ïîäñîçíàòåëüíûé ñòðàõ îáúÿñíèì. À âäðóã äà èì ÷òî-òî îò ìåíÿ ïîíàäîáèòñÿ? - ýòî ìîÿ äîãàäêà. Íàøëà î÷åíü áëèçêîãî ðîäñòâåííèêà è âñÿ÷åñêè îòòÿãèâàþ ìîìåíò çíàêîìñòâà.[/q]
Äà, ÿ òîæå òàê ñ÷èòàþ. Åùå äàâíî, äî ôîðóìà, êîãäà îòåö áûë æèâ (ò.å. 2006 ã) ÿ íàøëà íà Îäíîêëàññíèêàõ ïîòîìêîâ åäèíîêðîâíîãî áðàòà îòöà. Ò.å. ó íàñ äåä îáùèé! Îíè âñå óåõàëè ñ Óêðàèíû â Ìàéÿìè, åùå â íà÷àëå 90-õ. Ïåðåïèñûâàëèñü ñ ïëåìÿííèêîì, ïîêà íå âûÿñíèëîñü, ÷òî íàñòîëüêî áëèçêîå ðîäñòâî. íàïèñàëà áîëåå ïîäðîáíîå ïèñüìî, ïðî íàøó ñåìüþ. È... îí íå îòâåòèë, â Îäíîêëàññíèêàõ òîæå íå îòâå÷àåò. ß ðåøèëà, ÷òî äåëî èìåííî â òîì, ÷òî îíè èñïóãàëèñü, ÷òî ìû áóäåì íàâÿçûâàòüñÿ. | | |
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23 ìàðòà 2015 11:30 litana íàïèñàë: [q] îíè èñïóãàëèñü, ÷òî ìû áóäåì íàâÿçûâàòüñÿ.[/q]
Òàê íà 23ýíäìè ñ ïåðñîíîé ÿ ìîãó òîëüêî òàì îáùàòüñÿ - ìåéëà-òî òàì åãî íåò. ×åãî áîÿòüñÿ-òî? ---
Íàòàëèÿ. U5a1d2a ˸òîâû (Ðÿç.), Ñóðèêîâû, Áàøèëîâû, Ñóðîâû (Ïîäìîñêîâüå), Ñóááîòèíû, Ñòîëÿðîâû, Àíäðèàíîâû, Äîëæåíêî (Åéñê), Ùåðáèíû (Ïîëòàâ. è Êóáàíü) Íåéãåáàóåð. http://rusgenealogy.clan.su/ Âñå ìîè è ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ äàííûå òîëüêî äëÿ ãåíåàëîãèè. | | |
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
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23 ìàðòà 2015 12:22 È òåì íå ìåíåå î÷åíü ìíîãèå äåéñòâèòåëüíî áîÿòñÿ. Êàêèõ-òî êîíêðåòíûõ âåùåé - ÷òî ÷åëîâåê ñòàíåò ïðèñòàâàòü ñ ïîìîùüþ â èììèãðàöèè, ïðîñèòü äåíåã è ò.ï. Èëè ïðîñòî íå ðåøàþòñÿ èç-çà íåîñîçíàííûõ ñòðàõîâ, êîòîðûõ ñåé÷àñ òîæå õâàòàåò. Ìíå, ê ñ÷àñòüþ, íà 23ýíäÌè íåîäíîêðàòíî ïèñàëè î òàêèõ îïàñåíèÿõ, è äàæå íå "ðîäû÷àòûñü", à ïðîñòî çàøàðèòüñÿ. Ñòðàõ îñòàâèòü êàêèå áû òî íè áûëî ñëåäû â Ñåòè íà Çàïàäå Î×ÅÍÜ âåëèê è Î×ÅÍÜ ðàñïðîñòðàíåí. ß íå áîþñü ýòîãî ïðîñòî ïî íåçíàíèþ. À äðóãîå - òàê ýòî æ âå÷íàÿ áîëü ãåíåàëîãà: íó ïî÷åìó ðîäíÿ íå õî÷åò îáùàòüñÿ???!!! Ìîãó ñêàçàòü î ñåáå: åñëè ðîäíÿ çàõî÷åò îáùàòüñÿ, ìíå çàõî÷åòñÿ ïðèâëå÷ü åå ê ãåíåàëîãèè. À åñëè çàèíòåðåñóåòñÿ ãåíåàëîãèåé, ÿ òóò æå ïðåäëîæó åé ðàçäåëèòü ðàñõîäû. Èëè ÿ îäíà òàêàÿ êîâàðíàÿ ñóêà?  ---
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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
ïåíåëîïà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1370 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 954 | Íàâåðõ ##
23 ìàðòà 2015 12:51  èñòîðèè ìíîãèõ ñåìåé åñòü êàêèå-òî îáèäû, ðàçâîäû, áðîøåííûå äåòè. Ïî ýòîé ïðè÷èíå òîæå ìíîãèå íå õîòÿò èäòè íà êîíòàêò. ---
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23 ìàðòà 2015 13:41 Î÷åíü íåìíîãèå óìåþò äåðæàòü ñâîå îêðóæåíèå íà êîìôîðòíîì äëÿ ñåáÿ ðàññòîÿíèè. ×òîáû íå ñòðàäàòü ïîòîì îò íåâîçìîæíîñòè îòîäâèíóòü ÷åëîâåêà ÷óòü ïîäàëüøå, ìíîãèå ïðåäïî÷èòàþò è íå ñáëèæàòüñÿ. ---
Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
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