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ß èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î ìîåì ïðàäåäóøêå, êîòîðûé ýìèãðèðîâàë â Áðàçèëèþ. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü ñëåäóþùèå äàííûå:
Èìÿ: ÀËÅÊÑÀÍÄÐ ÁÐÀÑËÀÂÅÖ, ÁÐÀÑËÎÂÅÖ, ÁÐÎÑËÀÂÅÖ ÈËÈ ÁÐÎÑËÀÂÅÑ
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Èìÿ îòöà: Øòåôàí Áðàñëàâåö, Áðàñëàâåö, Áðîñëàâåö èëè Áðîñëàâåö
Èìÿ ìàòåðè: Ýíäîêèÿ Áðàñëàâåö, Áðàñëàâåö, Áðîñëàâåö èëè Áðîñëàâåö
Îí æèë â Êàìïèíà-äàñ-Ìèññîåø, â Ðèó-Ãðàíäè-äó-Ñóë, Áðàçèëèÿ. Îí æåíèëñÿ íà ìîåé äåâóøêå èç Íàòàëüÿ Èëëîìñ 10 ìàÿ 1912 ãîäà â ìóíèöèïàëèòåòå Óáèðåòàìà, ðÿäîì ñ Êàìïèíà äàñ Ìèññîñ. Ñâàäåáíûé äîêóìåíò ñîäåðæèò åãî ïîäïèñü, íî ÿ ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ïîäïèñàë åãî íå îí, à íåêîòîðûå ñâèäåòåëè, ïîñêîëüêó îí åùå íå ñìîæåò íàïèñàòü ñâîå èìÿ íà ïîðòóãàëüñêîì ÿçûêå. Âîò ïî÷åìó ÿ òàêæå ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ôàìèëèÿ áûëà èçìåíåíà, ïîòîìó ÷òî, êîãäà âû ïåðåâîäèòå ÷òî-òî èç êèðèëëèöû â ëàòèíñêèé àëôàâèò, íåêîòîðûå áóêâû ìåíÿþòñÿ.
Óøåë èç æèçíè è â 1949 ãîäó â Êàìïèíà-äàñ-Ìèññîåø. Åäèíñòâåííûìè äîêóìåíòàìè, êîòîðûå îí îáíàðóæèë, áûëè åãî ðåãèñòðàöèÿ áðàêà è ðåãèñòðàöèÿ ñìåðòè, òî åñòü äîêóìåíòû â Áðàçèëèè, ãäå îí òîëüêî ãîâîðèò, ÷òî îí "óðîæåíåö Ðîññèè". Åãî äàòó ðîæäåíèÿ ÿ óçíàë, êîãäà ïîñåòèë êëàäáèùå, ãäå îí ïîõîðîíåí, è ïîïûòàëñÿ íàéòè ñïèñêè êîðàáëåé èëè åãî èìÿ â ñïèñêàõ ïàññàæèðîâ, íî òàê è íå íàøåë. Ýòè äîêóìåíòû ÿ ïîëó÷èë ÷åðåç ñàéò Family Search. Åñëè êòî-íèáóäü çíàåò äðóãîé ñïîñîá ïîèñêà äàííûõ î ðóññêèõ èììèãðàíòàõ, êîòîðûå ýìèãðèðîâàëè â Àìåðèêó, ïîæàëóéñòà, ñâÿæèòåñü ñî ìíîé. ß õî÷ó ïîåõàòü â Ðîññèþ, ÷òîáû èçó÷àòü ðóññêèé ÿçûê è, òàêèì îáðàçîì, ïîçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñ ãîðîäîì, îòêóäà îí ïðèåõàë, ïîçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñ íåêîòîðûìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè, êîòîðûå åùå ìîãóò òàì æèòü. Ïî ñîîáùåíèÿì ñòàðøèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ, ìîé ïðàäåäóøêà ïðèøåë îäèí. Åãî ðîäèòåëè îñòàëèñü â Ðîññèè. ß íå çíàþ, áûë ëè îí òàì óæå æåíàò. ß äàæå íå çíàþ, ïîäïèñàëñÿ ëè áû îí íà àðìèþ, åñëè áû ìîæíî áûëî íàéòè êàêèå-ëèáî çàïèñè.

I seek information about my great-grandfather who emigrated to Brazil. The data I have is as follows:
Name: ALEXANDRE BRASLAWETZ, BRASLOWETZ, BROSLAVETS OR BROSLAWEZ
Date of Birth: 03/30/1881
Father's name: STEFAN BRASLAWETZ, BRASLOWETZ, BROSLAVETS OR BROSLAWEZ
Mother's name: ENDOKIA BRASLAWETZ, BRASLOWETZ, BROSLAVETS OR BROSLAWEZ
He lived in Campina das Missões, in Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil. He married my bisaó NATHALIA ILLOMS on 10/05/1912 in the municipality of Ubiretama, next to Campina das Missões. The marriage document contains his signature, but I believe that it was not he who signed it, but some of the witnesses, since he would not yet be able to write his name in Portuguese. That is why I also believe that the surname has been changed, because when you translate something from the Cyrillic alphabet to the Latin alphabet, some letters change.
He passed away and 1949, in Campina das Missões. The only documents he found so far were his marriage registration and death registration, that is, documents in Brazil, where he only says that he is "a native of Russia". His date of birth I found out when I visited the cemetery where he is buried. I tried to find lists of ships or his name in passenger lists but I never did. These documents I obtained was through the Family Search website. If anyone knows another way to search for data on Russian immigrants who emigrated to America please contact me. I want to go to Russia to study Russian and thus get to know the city where he came from, meet some relatives who could still live there. According to reports from older relatives, my great-grandfather came alone. His parents stayed in Russia. I don't know if he was already married there. I don't even know if he would have signed up for the army, if it is possible to find any records.




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AfonsoJunior íàïèñàë:
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Îí æåíèëñÿ íà ìîåé äåâóøêå èç Íàòàëüÿ Èëëîìñ 10 ìàÿ 1912 ãîäà â ìóíèöèïàëèòåòå Óáèðåòàìà, ðÿäîì ñ Êàìïèíà äàñ Ìèññîñ. Ñâàäåáíûé äîêóìåíò
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Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Âèäèìî íà ñâîåé...À ÷òî ãîâîðÿò ðîäñòâåííèêè â âîçðàñòå? Ïðèëîæèòå äîêóìåíò.
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Gogin10 íàïèñàë:
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AfonsoJunior escreveu:
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Ele se casou com minha namorada de Natalya Illoms em 10 de maio de 1912 no município de Ubiretam, perto de Campina das Missos. Documento de casamento
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Olá. Aparentemente por conta própria ... E o que dizem parentes idosos? Anexe um documento.
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Ó ìåíÿ åñòü òîëüêî äîêóìåíòû íà ïîðòóãàëüñêîì ÿçûêå, êîòîðûå ÿ óæå ïðèëîæèë ïî ýòîé ññûëêå íèæå:
https://forum.vgd.ru/?t=107055

Ðîäñòâåííèêè, êîòîðûå ìîãëè áû ïðåäîñòàâèòü ìíå áîëåå ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ, óìåðëè, ïîýòîìó ìíå ýòî î÷åíü òðóäíî.
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AfonsoJunior ïîñîëüñòâî Ðîññèè â Áðàçèëèè èëè Áåëîðóññèè/Óêðàèíû Âû åùå êàæåòñÿ íå îáðàùàëèñü, òàê? Ïîïðîáóéòå, ìîæåò áûëè êàêèå òî îáðàùåíèÿ òóäà ïîñëå ïåðååçäà.
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AfonsoJunior íàïèñàë:
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Îí æèë â Êàìïèíà-äàñ-Ìèññîåø, â Ðèó-Ãðàíäè-äó-Ñóë, Áðàçèëèÿ. Îí æåíèëñÿ íà ìîåé äåâóøêå èç Íàòàëüÿ Èëëîìñ 10 ìàÿ 1912 ãîäà â ìóíèöèïàëèòåòå Óáèðåòàìà, ðÿäîì ñ Êàìïèíà äàñ Ìèññîñ. Ñâàäåáíûé äîêóìåíò ñîäåðæèò åãî ïîäïèñü, íî ÿ ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ïîäïèñàë åãî íå îí, à íåêîòîðûå ñâèäåòåëè, ïîñêîëüêó îí åùå íå ñìîæåò íàïèñàòü ñâîå èìÿ íà ïîðòóãàëüñêîì ÿçûêå. Âîò ïî÷åìó ÿ òàêæå ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ôàìèëèÿ áûëà èçìåíåíà, ïîòîìó ÷òî, êîãäà âû ïåðåâîäèòå ÷òî-òî èç êèðèëëèöû â ëàòèíñêèé àëôàâèò, íåêîòîðûå áóêâû ìåíÿþòñÿ.
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ß áû íå áûë òàê êàòåãîðè÷åí. Ó÷èòûâàÿ, ÷òî åãî îòöà çâàëè Øòåôàí (Stefan), òî ñêîðå âñåãî êðîìå ðóññêîãî îíè ñâîáîäíî ðàçãîâàðèâàëè íà ïîëüñêîì. Íà ñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòíî, ïîïàâ çà îêåàí èìÿ ïîäîáðàòü áûëî íå ïðîáëåìîé, åñëè âîîáùå ïîäáèðàëè, à ôàìèëèþ çàïèñûâàëè íà ïîëüñêèé ìàíåð áåç èçìåíåíèé (áóêâà Z êàê ðàç ïîäòàëêèâàåò ê ýòîé ìûñëè). Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå ñî ñâîåé ðîäíåé ÿ âèæó èìåííî òàêîé âàðèàíò.
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ juri_b îò 17 àïðåëÿ 2020 18:56

Hello!
I found this signature of my great-grandfather, where I believe he signed it himself and not someone else for the following fact: he was a witness of a marriage of other immigrants who lived close to him and were his friends. In all civil documents I have found to date, it has always been written as a "Natural Russian" place of origin.


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AfonsoJunior íàïèñàë:
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ juri_b îò 17 àïðåëÿ 2020 18:56

Hello!
I found this signature of my great-grandfather, where I believe he signed it himself and not someone else for the following fact: he was a witness of a marriage of other immigrants who lived close to him and were his friends. In all civil documents I have found to date, it has always been written as a "Natural Russian" place of origin.

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Íà ìîé âçãëÿä, â ôàìèëèè 2 áóêâû Î. Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, ïåðâàÿ - òî÷íî Î. Ïî õîäó òåêñòà íàïèñàíèå áóêâû À çíà÷èòåëüíî îòëè÷àåòñÿ.
Íà áóêâó Ñ ôàìèëèÿ îêàí÷èâàëàñü áû óæ ñ î÷åíü ìàëîé âåðîÿòíîñòüþ.
Òàê ÷òî íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíû 2 âàðèàíòà: "Áðîñëîâåö" èëè "Áðîñëàâåö".

Ïî ïîâîäó èìåíè åãî ìàòåðè. Ñêîðåå âñåãî èìÿ "Åâäîêèÿ" - äîñòàòî÷íî ðàñïðîñòðàíåííîå èìÿ â Ðîññèè â òîò ïåðèîä.

Ôàìèëèÿ äîñòàòî÷íî ðåäêàÿ. Íå çíàþ, ìîæåò ëè ïðèõîäèòüñÿ åìó äàëüíèì ðîäñòâåííèêîì ýòîò ÷åëîâåê
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/che...26page%3D1
èç Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóáåðíèè. Âîçìîæíî, ýòî íàòîëêíåò Âàñ â íóæíîì íàïðàâëåíèè.  ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, òàì î÷åíü ÷åòêî íàïèñàíà ôàìèëèÿ â ðóññêîì âàðèàíòå. Ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ïîëíîñòüþ äîâåðÿòü ôîðìóëÿðàì íåëüçÿ. Ýòîò æå ÷åëîâåê â äðóãîì ìåñòå óêàçàíà êàê "Áðàñëàâåö".
 íà÷àëå ïðîøëîãî âåêà èç òåõ ìåñò ìíîãî ëþäåé îòïðàâëÿëîñü íà çàðàáîòêè â Àìåðèêó.
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Hello!
I managed to discover my great-grandfather's date of birth, which is written on his grave in the cemetery. From what I have discovered so far, I suppose he arrived in Brazil between 1909 and 1912. He married a Russian here in 1912, and Russian immigration in the city he lived in began in 1909. That is, he would have between 27 and 28 years old when he emigrated to Brazil. At this age, in Russia, what kind of document could he have? Identity, passport, could he vote?
Or even some enlistment from the army?

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AfonsoJunior íàïèñàë:
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Hello!
I managed to discover my great-grandfather's date of birth, which is written on his grave in the cemetery. From what I have discovered so far, I suppose he arrived in Brazil between 1909 and 1912. He married a Russian here in 1912, and Russian immigration in the city he lived in began in 1909. That is, he would have between 27 and 28 years old when he emigrated to Brazil. At this age, in Russia, what kind of document could he have? Identity, passport, could he vote?
Or even some enlistment from the army?
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Ôàìèëèÿ íà ïàìÿòíèêå ÷èòàåòñÿ îäíîçíà÷íî "Áðîñëàâåö".

Î äîêóìåíòàõ òîé ýïîõè õîðîøî íàïèñàëè çäåñü íà ôîðóìå â òåìå:
https://forum.vgd.ru/post/27/55736/p1620939.htm#pp1620939

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Ïîëèöèÿ âûäàâàëà âñåì æåëàþùèì óåõàòü çàãðàíèöó ñâèäåòåëüñòâà îá îòñóòñòâèè çàêîííûõ ïðåïÿòñòâèé ê îòúåçäó, êîòîðîå ïðèêëàäûâàëîñü ê ïðîøåíèþ íà èìÿ ãóáåðíàòîðà.
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Íå ïîìíþ, ÷òîáû ïðè ñàìîäåðæöå áûëè êàêèå-òî ãîëîñîâàíèÿ. Ñàìà ñèñòåìà ïðàâëåíèÿ íå ïîäðàçóìåâàëà âûáîðîâ. Áûëè äîñòàòî÷íî ðåãóëÿðíûå ïåðåïèñè íàñåëåíèÿ. Íî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ïî íèì èñêàòü íóæíî ÷òîáû îíè ñîõðàíèëèñü äëÿ òîé ìåñòíîñòè, ãäå ïðîæèâàëè âàøè ïðåäêè.

Òî ÷òî ÿ çíàþ ìàëîâàòî. Íóæíî ÷òîáû êòî-òî áîëåå ðàçáèðàþùèéñÿ â îôîðìëåíèè äîêóìåíòîâ òîãî âðåìåíè îòâåòèë.

P.S. Î äàòàõ. Âàì ñèëüíî ïîâåçåò, åñëè äàòà ðîæäåíèÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî òî÷íàÿ. Ó ìîåãî ïðàäåäà íà ìîãèëå íàïèñàí 1872 ãîä. Ïðè ïîèñêàõ â ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèãàõ çàïèñü î åãî ðîæäåíèè ÿ íàøåë â ñåðåäèíå 1871 ãîäà, òàê ÷òî äàæå ñìåíà êàëåíäàðÿ â Ðîññèè íå ìîãëà íà ñòîëüêî ñäâèíóòü ýòó äàòó. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ïîêà íèêòî èç ìîèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ ñ äàòàìè ðîæäåíèÿ äî 1940 ãîäà êîãî ÿ ïûòàëñÿ ïðîñëåäèòü íå ñîâïàë ïî äàòàì ñ ïàñïîðòíûìè äàííûìè. Åñëè áóäåòå èñêàòü, íå ïðèâÿçûâàéòåñü òî÷íî ê ýòîé äàòå - âñåãäà èùèòå â äèàïàçîíå íåñêîëüêèõ ëåò.
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