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| OksanaDolinina Íîâè÷îê
England
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Íà ñàéòå ñ 2004 ã.
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23 èþëÿ 2004 20:00 Áðàçèëèÿ (îôèöèàëüíî — Ôåäåðàòèâíàÿ Ðåñïóáëèêà Áðàçèëèÿ[6], ïîðò. República Federativa do Brasil, — ñóâåðåííîå ãîñóäàðñòâî â Þæíîé Àìåðèêå. Ñòîëèöà — ãîðîä Áðàçèëèà. Äðóãîé âàðèàíò íàçâàíèÿ ãîðîäà — Áðàçèëèÿ Âèêèïåäèÿ >>>ÀÒÄ ÁðàçèëèèÁðàçèëèÿ ðàçäåëÿåòñÿ íà 26 øòàòîâ è 1 ôåäåðàëüíûé (ñòîëè÷íûé) îêðóã.Àêðè Àëàãîàñ Àìàçîíàñ Àìàïà Áàèÿ Ãîÿñ Ìàðàíüÿí Ìàòó-Ãðîñó Ìàòó-Ãðîñó-äó-Ñóë Ìèíàñ-Æåðàéñ Ïàðà Ïàðàèáà Ïàðàíà Ïåðíàìáóêó Ïèàóè Ðèî-äå-Æàíåéðî Ðèó-Ãðàíäè-äó-Íîðòè Ðèó-Ãðàíäè-äó-Ñóë Ðîíäîíèÿ Ðîðàéìà Ñàíòà-Êàòàðèíà Ñàí-Ïàóëó Ñåàðà Ñåðæèïè Òîêàíòèíñ Ýñïèðèòó-Ñàíòó Êðîìå ýòîãî, ñóùåñòâóåò áîëåå êðóïíîå äåëåíèå ñòðàíû — íà ðåãèîíû. Ðåãèîíû ÁðàçèëèèÑåâåðíûé ðåãèîí Ñåâåðî-âîñòî÷íûé ðåãèîí Öåíòðàëüíî-çàïàäíûé ðåãèîí Þãî-âîñòî÷íûé ðåãèîí Þæíûé ðåãèîí
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17 àïðåëÿ 2020 18:56 AfonsoJunior íàïèñàë: [q] Îí æèë â Êàìïèíà-äàñ-Ìèññîåø, â Ðèó-Ãðàíäè-äó-Ñóë, Áðàçèëèÿ. Îí æåíèëñÿ íà ìîåé äåâóøêå èç Íàòàëüÿ Èëëîìñ 10 ìàÿ 1912 ãîäà â ìóíèöèïàëèòåòå Óáèðåòàìà, ðÿäîì ñ Êàìïèíà äàñ Ìèññîñ. Ñâàäåáíûé äîêóìåíò ñîäåðæèò åãî ïîäïèñü, íî ÿ ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ïîäïèñàë åãî íå îí, à íåêîòîðûå ñâèäåòåëè, ïîñêîëüêó îí åùå íå ñìîæåò íàïèñàòü ñâîå èìÿ íà ïîðòóãàëüñêîì ÿçûêå. Âîò ïî÷åìó ÿ òàêæå ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ôàìèëèÿ áûëà èçìåíåíà, ïîòîìó ÷òî, êîãäà âû ïåðåâîäèòå ÷òî-òî èç êèðèëëèöû â ëàòèíñêèé àëôàâèò, íåêîòîðûå áóêâû ìåíÿþòñÿ.[/q]
ß áû íå áûë òàê êàòåãîðè÷åí. Ó÷èòûâàÿ, ÷òî åãî îòöà çâàëè Øòåôàí (Stefan), òî ñêîðå âñåãî êðîìå ðóññêîãî îíè ñâîáîäíî ðàçãîâàðèâàëè íà ïîëüñêîì. Íà ñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòíî, ïîïàâ çà îêåàí èìÿ ïîäîáðàòü áûëî íå ïðîáëåìîé, åñëè âîîáùå ïîäáèðàëè, à ôàìèëèþ çàïèñûâàëè íà ïîëüñêèé ìàíåð áåç èçìåíåíèé (áóêâà Z êàê ðàç ïîäòàëêèâàåò ê ýòîé ìûñëè). Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå ñî ñâîåé ðîäíåé ÿ âèæó èìåííî òàêîé âàðèàíò. | | |
| AfonsoJunior Íîâè÷îê
Brasil
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25 àïðåëÿ 2020 1:31 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ juri_b îò 17 àïðåëÿ 2020 18:56 Hello! I found this signature of my great-grandfather, where I believe he signed it himself and not someone else for the following fact: he was a witness of a marriage of other immigrants who lived close to him and were his friends. In all civil documents I have found to date, it has always been written as a "Natural Russian" place of origin.
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juri_bÍîâè÷îê Ïóùèíî Ñîîáùåíèé: 15 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24 | Íàâåðõ ##
25 àïðåëÿ 2020 12:46 25 àïðåëÿ 2020 12:50 AfonsoJunior íàïèñàë: [q] >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ juri_b îò 17 àïðåëÿ 2020 18:56
Hello!
I found this signature of my great-grandfather, where I believe he signed it himself and not someone else for the following fact: he was a witness of a marriage of other immigrants who lived close to him and were his friends. In all civil documents I have found to date, it has always been written as a "Natural Russian" place of origin.
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Íà ìîé âçãëÿä, â ôàìèëèè 2 áóêâû Î. Ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, ïåðâàÿ - òî÷íî Î. Ïî õîäó òåêñòà íàïèñàíèå áóêâû À çíà÷èòåëüíî îòëè÷àåòñÿ. Íà áóêâó Ñ ôàìèëèÿ îêàí÷èâàëàñü áû óæ ñ î÷åíü ìàëîé âåðîÿòíîñòüþ. Òàê ÷òî íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíû 2 âàðèàíòà: "Áðîñëîâåö" èëè "Áðîñëàâåö". Ïî ïîâîäó èìåíè åãî ìàòåðè. Ñêîðåå âñåãî èìÿ " Åâäîêèÿ" - äîñòàòî÷íî ðàñïðîñòðàíåííîå èìÿ â Ðîññèè â òîò ïåðèîä. Ôàìèëèÿ äîñòàòî÷íî ðåäêàÿ. Íå çíàþ, ìîæåò ëè ïðèõîäèòüñÿ åìó äàëüíèì ðîäñòâåííèêîì ýòîò ÷åëîâåê https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/che...26page%3D1èç Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóáåðíèè. Âîçìîæíî, ýòî íàòîëêíåò Âàñ â íóæíîì íàïðàâëåíèè.  ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, òàì î÷åíü ÷åòêî íàïèñàíà ôàìèëèÿ â ðóññêîì âàðèàíòå. Ñ äðóãîé ñòîðîíû, ïîëíîñòüþ äîâåðÿòü ôîðìóëÿðàì íåëüçÿ. Ýòîò æå ÷åëîâåê â äðóãîì ìåñòå óêàçàíà êàê "Áðàñëàâåö".  íà÷àëå ïðîøëîãî âåêà èç òåõ ìåñò ìíîãî ëþäåé îòïðàâëÿëîñü íà çàðàáîòêè â Àìåðèêó. | | |
| AfonsoJunior Íîâè÷îê
Brasil
Ñîîáùåíèé: 21
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 13 | Íàâåðõ ##
25 àïðåëÿ 2020 19:24 Hello!
I managed to discover my great-grandfather's date of birth, which is written on his grave in the cemetery. From what I have discovered so far, I suppose he arrived in Brazil between 1909 and 1912. He married a Russian here in 1912, and Russian immigration in the city he lived in began in 1909. That is, he would have between 27 and 28 years old when he emigrated to Brazil. At this age, in Russia, what kind of document could he have? Identity, passport, could he vote?
Or even some enlistment from the army?
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juri_bÍîâè÷îê Ïóùèíî Ñîîáùåíèé: 15 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24 | Íàâåðõ ##
26 àïðåëÿ 2020 13:47 AfonsoJunior íàïèñàë: [q] Hello!
I managed to discover my great-grandfather's date of birth, which is written on his grave in the cemetery. From what I have discovered so far, I suppose he arrived in Brazil between 1909 and 1912. He married a Russian here in 1912, and Russian immigration in the city he lived in began in 1909. That is, he would have between 27 and 28 years old when he emigrated to Brazil. At this age, in Russia, what kind of document could he have? Identity, passport, could he vote?
Or even some enlistment from the army?[/q]
Ôàìèëèÿ íà ïàìÿòíèêå ÷èòàåòñÿ îäíîçíà÷íî "Áðîñëàâåö". Î äîêóìåíòàõ òîé ýïîõè õîðîøî íàïèñàëè çäåñü íà ôîðóìå â òåìå: https://forum.vgd.ru/post/27/55736/p1620939.htm#pp1620939[q] Ïîëèöèÿ âûäàâàëà âñåì æåëàþùèì óåõàòü çàãðàíèöó ñâèäåòåëüñòâà îá îòñóòñòâèè çàêîííûõ ïðåïÿòñòâèé ê îòúåçäó, êîòîðîå ïðèêëàäûâàëîñü ê ïðîøåíèþ íà èìÿ ãóáåðíàòîðà.[/q]
Íå ïîìíþ, ÷òîáû ïðè ñàìîäåðæöå áûëè êàêèå-òî ãîëîñîâàíèÿ. Ñàìà ñèñòåìà ïðàâëåíèÿ íå ïîäðàçóìåâàëà âûáîðîâ. Áûëè äîñòàòî÷íî ðåãóëÿðíûå ïåðåïèñè íàñåëåíèÿ. Íî äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ïî íèì èñêàòü íóæíî ÷òîáû îíè ñîõðàíèëèñü äëÿ òîé ìåñòíîñòè, ãäå ïðîæèâàëè âàøè ïðåäêè. Òî ÷òî ÿ çíàþ ìàëîâàòî. Íóæíî ÷òîáû êòî-òî áîëåå ðàçáèðàþùèéñÿ â îôîðìëåíèè äîêóìåíòîâ òîãî âðåìåíè îòâåòèë. P.S. Î äàòàõ. Âàì ñèëüíî ïîâåçåò, åñëè äàòà ðîæäåíèÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî òî÷íàÿ. Ó ìîåãî ïðàäåäà íà ìîãèëå íàïèñàí 1872 ãîä. Ïðè ïîèñêàõ â ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèãàõ çàïèñü î åãî ðîæäåíèè ÿ íàøåë â ñåðåäèíå 1871 ãîäà, òàê ÷òî äàæå ñìåíà êàëåíäàðÿ â Ðîññèè íå ìîãëà íà ñòîëüêî ñäâèíóòü ýòó äàòó. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ïîêà íèêòî èç ìîèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ ñ äàòàìè ðîæäåíèÿ äî 1940 ãîäà êîãî ÿ ïûòàëñÿ ïðîñëåäèòü íå ñîâïàë ïî äàòàì ñ ïàñïîðòíûìè äàííûìè. Åñëè áóäåòå èñêàòü, íå ïðèâÿçûâàéòåñü òî÷íî ê ýòîé äàòå - âñåãäà èùèòå â äèàïàçîíå íåñêîëüêèõ ëåò. | | |
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Ìîé ðîäñòâåííèê (äâîþðîäíûé ïðà-ïðàäåä) Ëåéíî Âàëåðèé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷, 1896 ã.ð., ïåðååõàë â Áðàçèëèþ â Ñàí-Ïàîëî â 1920õ. Íà familysearch â èììèãðàöèîííûõ êàðòî÷êàõ åãî íå íàøëà((( Ìîæåò êòî ìîæåò ïîäñêàçàòü, ãäå åùå ìîæíî ïîèñêàòü èíôî î íåì èëè åãî ïîòîìêàõ? | | |
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23 ìàÿ 2022 20:12 Äîáðûé äåíü! Ïîäñêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, ãäå è êàê ñëåäóåò íà÷àòü ïîèñê ðîäñòâåííèêà, ýìèãðèðîâàâøåãî â Áðàçèëèþ ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî â 20-õ, ìîæåò áûòü, â 30-õ ãîäàõ? Èçâåñòíî òîëüêî åãî ïîëíîå èìÿ, ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ è èìåíà åãî áðàòüåâ è ñåñòåð (ìîÿ ïðà-ïðàáàáóøêà ïðèõîäèòñÿ åìó ðîäíîé ñåñòðîé). Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ôîòîãðàôèè åãî íåò. Íåèçâåñòíî òàêæå â êàêîé ãîðîä îí îòïðàâèëñÿ è áûëè ëè îò íåãî êàêèå-òî ïèñüìà. Áóäó áëàãîäàðíà çà ëþáóþ íàâîäêó! | | |
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23 ìàÿ 2022 20:20 AfonsoJunior íàïèñàë: [q] Hello!
I managed to discover my great-grandfather's date of birth, which is written on his grave in the cemetery. From what I have discovered so far, I suppose he arrived in Brazil between 1909 and 1912. He married a Russian here in 1912, and Russian immigration in the city he lived in began in 1909. That is, he would have between 27 and 28 years old when he emigrated to Brazil. At this age, in Russia, what kind of document could he have? Identity, passport, could he vote?
Or even some enlistment from the army?[/q]
Hello! I thought that maybe your great-grandfather's father or uncles (if any) could have participated in the First World War. I'm leaving you a link to the site where the database is collected about soldiers, try to search there https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/ And I have a question  I`m also looking for my relative who emigrated to Brazil in the 20s or 30s. Could you tell me where I can look for him? I will be very grateful for any information! | | |
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5 èþëÿ 2022 22:48 28 ôåâðàëÿ 2023 23:07 d_dm íàïèñàë: [q] îáðûé äåíü!
Ìîé ðîäñòâåííèê (äâîþðîäíûé ïðà-ïðàäåä) Ëåéíî Âàëåðèé Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷, 1896 ã.ð., ïåðååõàë â Áðàçèëèþ â Ñàí-Ïàîëî â 1920õ. Íà familysearch â èììèãðàöèîííûõ êàðòî÷êàõ åãî íå íàøëà((( Ìîæåò êòî ìîæåò ïîäñêàçàòü, ãäå åùå ìîæíî ïîèñêàòü èíôî î íåì èëè åãî ïîòîìêàõ?[/q]
Vàlery Leino èç Ýñòîíèè, Êóðüåð, æåíà Alexandre Leino *1896 - + 27.01.1947 (Õðîíè÷åñêèé ýòèëñåìè÷åñêèé ìèîêàðäèò, ñåðäå÷íûé êîëëàïñ) ïîë - M âîçðàñò - 51 ðåãèñòðàöèÿ ñìåðòè íîìåð ñåðòèôèêàòà 1945, ñòð.145 Ïîõîðîíeí íà êëàäáèùå Âèëà Ìàðèàíà. Glafira Leino - âîçìîæíî äî÷ü èëè ñåñòðà. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSC2-VSVD-X ---
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BillionGraves Index
Brazil Baptisms, 1688-1935
Brazil Deaths, 1750-1890
Brazil Marriages, 1730-1955
Brazil, Pernambuco, Civil Registration, 1804-2014
Brazil, Rio de Janeiro, Civil Registration, 1829-2012
Brazil, Rio de Janeiro, Immigration Cards, 1900-1965
Brazil, Santa Catarina, Catholic Church Records, 1714-1977
Brazil, São Paulo, Immigration Cards, 1902-1980