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boghelga íàïèñàë:

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kashkinatg íàïèñàë:

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Îäíèì ðåéñîì ñ íèì ïðèáûëà Åðåìååâà Äàðüÿ, 33 ëåò (çàïèñàíà êàê Ereneieff), óæ íå áûëà ëè îíà åìó æåíîé?

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Îá ýòîì äàííûõ íèãäå íå íàøëà

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Åù¸ ðàç ñïàñèáî îãðîìíîå!!!

parkerg íàïèñàë:

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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ the_yegor îò 20 íîÿáðÿ 2020 20:50



Ìîå ìíåíèå: Àêñåíèÿ ßí÷óê íå ñóïðóã. Ñîãëàñíî ïðèçûâíîé êàðòå åå àäðåñ íàõîäèòñÿ íà ðàññòîÿíèè ~ 80 êì îò àäðåñà Èëüè.

My opinion: Aksenia Yanchuck is not the spouse. According to the draft card her address is ~80KM distant from the address of Ilia.

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Ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò,
âîïðîñ äî ñèõ ïîð îòêðûò,
ïðèçûâíèê åõàë â ÑØÀ íå ê ðîäñòâåííèêàì, è åõàë îäèí, îñòàâèâ â Ïîëüøå æåíó è äåòåé.
Åñëè ýòî íå âòîðàÿ òàéíàÿ æåíà, òî êàêèì îáðàçîì ó íåãî â ãðàôå "áëèæàéøèå ðîäñòâåííèêè" ìîãëà ïîÿâèòüñÿ çàìóæíÿÿ æåíùèíà ñ åãî æå ôàìèëèåé?

>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ parkerg îò 31 îêòÿáðÿ 2021 23:57

I find mostly the same as you have found.
These people all disappear from the records!
Perhaps familiar names were changed. They became unfamiliar names.
(see my note at the end of this message)
I searched for the 1918 location of Ilya in Herkimer County, New York State, USA
The distance away from Syracuse is greater than what I told you.
It is closer to 120 KM.

Do you have the ship manifest (immigration document) for Ilya?
Here is what I found for 1913.
There are several unusual and confusing pieces.
Maybe this is the correct person:
Name: Ilya Janzuk/Ilya Janczuk
From: Kusicze
Years: 30
Ship: Carpathia
Arrived in New York: 4 May 1913

Unusual fact #1: He is listed twice on the same immigration document (ship manifest)
One is crossed out (line drawn through).
The information is the same in both places.
Unusual fact #2: The ship manifest IS NOT found on the FamilySearch website.
FamilySearch gives a superior image.
The ship manifest IS found on the Ellis Island website.
Ellis Island gives an inferior image.
You can observe THREE (not two) images. Two of them are informative.

Ilia Janczuk:
Frame #429
https://heritage.statueofliber...cGciOw==/1

Frame #430
https://heritage.statueofliber...cGciOw==/1


Ilia Janzuk (crossed out):
Frame #295
https://heritage.statueofliber...cGciOw==/1

Frame #296
https://heritage.statueofliber...cGciOw==/1

His origin: wife Helena Janczuk

His destination (Writing is VERY illegible) :
Acquaintance ??Ignaty?? ??Sacharank?? or ??Sacharciuk??
Location - "Croton-On-Hudson Box 313 Post Office"
(* Croton-On-Hudson is ~40 KM north from New York City)

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Please verify this is the correct person.
For me it is awkward to use VGD.RU.
For additional correspondance, it is easier for me to use gmail.
It will be easier to post images.
parkergambino@gmail.com

For a complete search, one must consider how the spelling of a name might change.
Consult this site: https://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html
It can provide other possibilities for the spelling.
For Yanchuk/Janczuk there are MANY possibilities.
Good luck with your search.


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ß íàõîæó â îñíîâíîì òî æå ñàìîå, ÷òî è âû.
Âñå ýòè ëþäè èñ÷åçàþò èç çàïèñåé!
Âîçìîæíî, áûëè èçìåíåíû çíàêîìûå èìåíà. Îíè ñòàëè íåçíàêîìûìè èìåíàìè.
(ñìîòðèòå ìîþ çàìåòêó â êîíöå ýòîãî ñîîáùåíèÿ)
ß èñêàë ìåñòîíàõîæäåíèå Èëüè â 1918 ãîäó â îêðóãå Õåðêèìåð, øòàò Íüþ-Éîðê, ÑØÀ
Ðàññòîÿíèå îò Ñèðàêóç áîëüøå, ÷åì ÿ âàì ãîâîðèë.
Ýòî áëèæå ê 120 êì.

Ó âàñ åñòü ñóäîâîé ìàíèôåñò (èììèãðàöèîííûé äîêóìåíò) äëÿ Èëüè?
Âîò ÷òî ÿ íàøåë çà 1913 ãîä.
Åñòü íåñêîëüêî íåîáû÷íûõ è çàïóòàííûõ ôðàãìåíòîâ.
Ìîæåò áûòü, ýòî òîò ñàìûé ÷åëîâåê:
Èìÿ: Èëüÿ ßí÷óê/Èëüÿ ßí÷óê
Îòêóäà: Êîøèöå
Ëåò: 30
Êîðàáëü: Êàðïàòèÿ
Ïðèáûë â Íüþ-Éîðê: 4 ìàÿ 1913 ãîäà
Íåîáû÷íûé ôàêò ¹ 1: Îí äâàæäû óêàçàí â îäíîì è òîì æå èììèãðàöèîííîì äîêóìåíòå (ñóäîâîé ìàíèôåñò)
Îäèí çà÷åðêíóò (ëèíèÿ ïðîâåäåíà ÷åðåç).
Èíôîðìàöèÿ îäèíàêîâà â îáîèõ ìåñòàõ.
Íåîáû÷íûé ôàêò ¹2: Ñóäîâîé ìàíèôåñò ÍÅ íàéäåí íà âåá-ñàéòå FamilySearch.
FamilySearch äàåò ïðåâîñõîäíîå èçîáðàæåíèå.
Ñóäîâîé ìàíèôåñò ìîæíî íàéòè íà âåá-ñàéòå îñòðîâà Ýëëèñ.
Îñòðîâ Ýëëèñ äàåò íåïîëíîöåííûé îáðàç.
Âû ìîæåòå íàáëþäàòü ÒÐÈ (íå äâà) èçîáðàæåíèÿ. Äâà èç íèõ ÿâëÿþòñÿ èíôîðìàòèâíûìè.

Èëüÿ ßí÷óê:
Êàäð ¹ 429
https://heritage.statueofliber...cGciOw==/1

Êàäð ¹ 430
https://heritage.statueofliber...cGciOw==/1


Èëüÿ ßíçóê (çà÷åðêíóòî):
Êàäð ¹ 295
https://heritage.statueofliber...cGciOw==/1

Êàäð ¹ 296
https://heritage.statueofliber...cGciOw==/1

Åãî ïðîèñõîæäåíèå: æåíà Åëåíà ßí÷óê

Åãî ïóíêò íàçíà÷åíèÿ (Íàäïèñü Î×ÅÍÜ íåðàçáîð÷èâà) :
Çíàêîìûé??Èãíàòèé????Ñàõàðàíê?? èëè??Ñà÷àð÷óê??
Ìåñòîíàõîæäåíèå - "Ïî÷òîâîå îòäåëåíèå Êðîòîí-íà-Ãóäçîíå, Ïî÷òîâûé ÿùèê 313"
(*Êðîòîí-îí-Ãóäçîí íàõîäèòñÿ ïðèìåðíî â 40 êì ê ñåâåðó îò Íüþ-Éîðêà)

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Ïîæàëóéñòà, óáåäèòåñü, ÷òî ýòî ïðàâèëüíûé ÷åëîâåê.
Äëÿ ìåíÿ ýòî íåóäîáíî èñïîëüçîâàòü VGD.RU .
Äëÿ äîïîëíèòåëüíîé ïåðåïèñêè ìíå ïðîùå èñïîëüçîâàòü gmail.
Áóäåò ïðîùå ðàçìåùàòü èçîáðàæåíèÿ.
parkergambino@gmail.com


Äëÿ ïîëíîãî ïîèñêà íåîáõîäèìî ó÷èòûâàòü, êàê ìîæåò èçìåíèòüñÿ íàïèñàíèå èìåíè.
Îáðàòèòåñü ê ýòîìó ñàéòó: https://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html
Ýòî ìîæåò ïðåäîñòàâèòü äðóãèå âîçìîæíîñòè äëÿ íàïèñàíèÿ.
Äëÿ ßí÷óêà/ßí÷óêà åñòü ÌÍÎÃÎ âîçìîæíîñòåé.
Óäà÷è âàì â âàøèõ ïîèñêàõ.

èþëü íàïèñàë:

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Please help me read the inscription on the photo of the family of Ilya Kharitonyuk, who left for America in 1918 and never returned. "Mister Haritonyuk" and "120 Hamburg Street" (this is the street in Baltimore where Ilya and his fellow villagers lived) - we read this. So what is next?

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"Two (2) pictures on one card.
Man next to boy on left.
[Someone's Name?]" this part I cannot read.

Parker

Vivika íàïèñàë:

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Äîáðûé âå÷åð!

Ñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ìîæíî ëè ãäå-íèáóäü ïîñìîòðåòü ñïèñîê ïàññàæèðîâ, îòïðàâëÿþùèõñÿ íà êîðàáëå "Êóðñê" èç Ëèáàó? ß íàøëà ñïèñîê òåõ, êòî ïðèáûë â ÑØÀ, õîòåëîñü áû ñðàâíèòü, ðàçëè÷àåòñÿ ëè èíôîðìàöèÿ ñî ñïèñêîì âûåçæàþùèõ? Ðåøèëà ñåé÷àñ ïîèñêàòü â èíòåðíåòå, íî ïî÷åìó-òî íå íàõîæó èëè íå òàê èùó.

È åùå âîïðîñ - âñÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ, êîòîðàÿ ðàçìåùåíà íà Ellis Island - ýòî ïðÿìî ìàêñèìóì, êîòîðûé ìîæíî íàéòè î ïàññàæèðå èëè åùå ÷òî-òî ìîæíî?

Ñïàñèáî!

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The document known as the "Manifest" was filled out by the shipping company at the place of ORIGIN. So it is a record of who departed. Each shipping company created its own manifest sheets, so the format is not uniform. (and neither is the penmanship!). Creating this list in the country of origin is where some spelling errors may originate. Sometimes the name (and other data) is crossed out; this usually indicates that the person was NOT on the ship for some reason. (Sometimes you find the same person on a subsequent ship soon after).

When a ship arrived, the manifest was given to the officials. The officials used the manifest to keep inventory of the immigrants. Sometimes they added more notations. Certain people were detained or deported; this made additional paperwork to be included with the manifest. When an immigrant became a citizen ("naturalized") during later years, very often the manifest was checked, and a series of notations were made.

There is a common story that officials at Ellis Island or other ports changed the names of the immigrants. This is FALSE! They were merely presented with the names already written on the manifest.

The Ellis Island database only includes arrivals at the port of New York. Immigrants also arrived at many other ports. To create the database required that someone read the data, and then INDEX (a verb) the data. This is where errors sometimes occur, and then they last forever! Sometimes when you read the manifest document you can see how large an error can be.

Remember to seek others who may have travelled together on the ship; their additional information may be pertinent. Maybe they came from the same village/city; maybe they are going to the same address (destination) in the USA. This may help connect more people to your person.

Here is an important resource:
https://stevemorse.org/
https://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html
(Hint #1: You can sort data according to the town of origin)
(Hint #2: My ancestor's town of origin gives >40 spellings in English!)

Good luck with your research.

Parker