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Ðîññèéñêàÿ Èìïåðàòîðñêàÿ àðìèÿ è ôëîò - 2013 / 2019


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VC
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà

VC

Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4551

westis íàïèñàë:
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Nikolai described above is the grandfather of my grandmother.
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Hi Joni,

Thank you for the photo. The initial fragment didn’t have enough info.
The person in the picture is a non-commissioned officer who has served in an army telegraph unit. It’s not clear whether there is one wide stripe or 3 narrow ones on his shoulder board so his rank is either a “feldfebel” or a senior “unter-officer”. Currently, depending on a country, it will probably correspond to a rank of a master-sergeant or a senior sergeant. The army branch is indicated by the telegraph insignia on his shoulder boards. In addition buttons and the collar’s trim are silver (gold, copper or bronze would look darker on an old b/w photo) which also suggests engineering troops that included telegraph detachments.
The above mentioned insignia was introduced in 1865. The double breasted coat shown in the picture was replaced by a single breasted in 1872. Add couple more years for the uniform replacement around the country and it will give you the estimated period when this picture was taken - probably between 1865 and 1874.
I will not be able to name a specific unit. It’s not a life-guard for sure. These guys had different uniform at that time. Most probably it’s a telegraph detachment of some fortress.
Here is an article in Russian that describes the insignia of communication units. It’s written by our colleague ksologub so he may add some comments if I missed anything.
http://vedomstva-uniforma.ru/mundir5/telegraph/index.html

Best regards,
Vladimir

P.S. An additional question. Do you by any chance know where this picture was taken? Sometimes a name of a photographer and a city are listed on the back of the photo.

Update: Joni, could you please take another look at the photo and tell us whether you see the same insignia (lightnings) on uniform's buttons. It seems to me that something is visible there but the image resolution is too low. If you have a scanner nearby then scan a section of the image with a resolution of 1200 dpi. I have another theory that I would like to verify.
VC
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà

VC

Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4551

Õâîðîñòåíêî íàïèñàë:
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Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí íàïèñàë:
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áåç ïîëíîðàçìåðíîãî ñíèìêà òî÷íàÿ àòðèáóòàöèÿ çàòðóäíåíà, ÿñíî îäíî ôîòî äî 1872 ã.
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Ïðàâíóê Íèêîëàÿ Ñëåïóøîâà Joni Westerback îïåðàòèâíî ïðèñëàë ïîëíîôîðìàòíîå ôîòî. Òåïåðü VC è Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí âû ïîñòàâèòå îêîí÷àòåëüíûé âåðäèêò.
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Ñïàñèáî.
Âêðàòöå òî, ÷òî âûøå íàïèñàë íà àíãëèéñêîì. Íà ôîòîãðàôèè ôåëüäôåáåëü èëè ñòàðøèé óíòåð-îôèöåð, ñëóæèâøèé â êàêîé-òî òåëåãðàôíîé ÷àñòè. Òåëåãðàôíûé ñïåöçíàê íà ïîãîíàõ áûë âïåðâûå ââåäåí â 1865-ì, òàê ÷òî ôîòîãðàôèÿ ñäåëàíà íå ðàíåå ýòîãî ãîäà. Íàøèâêè è ìóíäèð ìû óæå îáñóäèëè âûøå. Òî÷íîå ìåñòî ñëóæáû îïðåäåëèòü íå áåðóñü. Âîçìîæíî âîåííûé òåëåãðàô êàêîé-òî êðåïîñòè. Ïðèëîæèë ññûëêó íà ñòàòüþ óâ. ksologubà. Íàäåþñü îí ÷òî-íèáóäü äîáàâèò åñëè ÿ ÷òî-òî óïóñòèë.
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ïî îêðóãó êâàðòèðîâàíèÿ ÷àñòè çà ýòîò ïåðèî
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Ìåñòî êâàðòèðîâàíèÿ ã.Äóáíî Âîëûíñêîé ãóáåðíèè...À êàêîé ýòî îêðóã?
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Õâîðîñòåíêî Ïîïðîáóþ óòî÷íèòü çâàíèå. 7 ÿíâàðÿ 1856 ã. áûëè îòìåíåíû ó óíòåð-îôèöåðîâ ãàëóííûå íàøèâêè íà âîðîòíèêå è îáøëàãàõ,çàìåíåíûå íàøèâêàìè èç ãàëóíà íà ðóêàâàõ, óãëîì ââåðõ, âûøå îáøëàãà: äëÿ ôåëüäôåáåëåé äâîéíûå, à äëÿ óíòåð-îôèöåðîâ- îðäèíàðíûå.(ÏÑÇÐÈ-2,¹ 30023). 12 ìàðòà 1857 ã. áûëî âîññòàíîâëåíî íîøåíèå ãàëóíîâ íà âîðîòíèêå è îáøëàãàõ, ñ ñîõðàíåíèåì ôåëüäôåáåëÿì ãàëóííîé íàøèâêè íà ðóêàâå óãëîì ââåðõ, íî òîëüêî îðäèíàðíîé.( ÏÑÇÐÈ-2,¹ 31591). Íà ôîòî ýòîé íàøèâêè íå âèäèì, ñëåäîâàòåëüíî ýòî ñò. óíòåð-îôèöåð.
Èíòåðåñíà åãî ñîñëîâíàÿ ïðåíàäëåæíîñòü, ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî 26 àâã.1856 ã. áûëè îòìåíåíû ðåêðóòñêèå íàáîðû íà òðè ãîäà, â 1859 ã. ïðîäëåíî åùå íà òðè è òîëüêî â 1862 ã.,â ñâÿçè ñ áåñïîðÿäêàìè â Ïîëüøå áûë ïðîèçâåäåí ïîëíîöåííûé íàáîð .... Ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî îí ñëóæèò â òåëåãðàôíûõ ÷àñòÿõ îí ãðàìîòåí è ïðîøåë ïîäãîòîâêó ïî ñïåöèàëüíîñòè è áûë çàòåì ïðîèçâåäåí â óíòåð-îôèöåðû. Îí äîâîëüíî ìîëîä, îáû÷íî óíòåð-îôèöåðû â ïåõîòå, óáåëåííûå ñåäèíàìè âåòåðàíû, ïóòü ê óíòåðñêèì íàøèâêàì áûë íåëåãîê...
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 3407
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Grozniy íàïèñàë:
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Êèåâñêèé Âîåííûé îêðóã.
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"Êòî íå çíàåò èñòèíû î ñâîåì ïðîøëîì, òîò íåäîñòîèí áóäóùåãî." Èñòîðèÿ -- çàíÿòèå óâëåêàòåëüíîå, íî èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îòâåòñòâåííîå. Èñòîðèê äîëæåí áûòü ìàòåðèàëüíî íåçàâèñèìûì èëè ôàíàòèêîì, êîòîðûé ïðåäïî÷èòàåò æèòü â íèùåòå, íî ïèñàòü òî, ÷òî îí äåéñòâèòåëüíî äóìàåò.
ksologub
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà

ksologub

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7884
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2005 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 14667

VC íàïèñàë:
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Íàäåþñü îí ÷òî-íèáóäü äîáàâèò åñëè ÿ ÷òî-òî óïóñòèë.
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Âîëîäÿ, ïðèâåò!
Ïîëàãàþ, ÷òî òû íè÷åãî íå óïóñòèë, ò.ê. áåç øèôðîâêè íà ïîãîíå òî÷íî îïðåäåëèòü ìåñòî ñëóæáû íåëüçÿ....ýòî ìîæåò áûòü è îäèí èç âîåííî-ïîõîäíûõ òåëåãðàôíûõ ïàðêîâ, íàäî ñìîòðåòü, ãäå îíè êâàðòèðîâàëè â èíòåðåñóþùèé íàñ ïåðèîä...
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Êîëëåãàì-óíèôîðìîëîãàì äëÿ îçíàêîìëåíèÿ:
https://forum.vgd.ru/582/70997/#last
ksologub
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà

ksologub

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7884
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2005 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 14667

Õâîðîñòåíêî íàïèñàë:
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Ïðàâíóê Íèêîëàÿ Ñëåïóøîâà Joni Westerback îïåðàòèâíî ïðèñëàë ïîëíîôîðìàòíîå ôîòî.
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Ôîòî, âïîëíå âîçìîæíî, ðåòóøèðîâàíî, ò.ê. íà ïîãîíå íèæå ñïåöçíàêà íåò øèôðîâêè, ÷åãî áûòü, ñêîðåå âñåãî, íå ìîãëî. Èëè îíà ïðîñòî íå âèäíà íà ñêàíå â òàêîì íèçêîì ðàçðåøåíèè.....
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Êîëëåãàì-óíèôîðìîëîãàì äëÿ îçíàêîìëåíèÿ:
https://forum.vgd.ru/582/70997/#last
VC
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà

VC

Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4551

Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí íàïèñàë:
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Ïîïðîáóþ óòî÷íèòü çâàíèå. 7 ÿíâàðÿ 1856 ã. áûëè îòìåíåíû ó óíòåð-îôèöåðîâ ãàëóííûå íàøèâêè íà âîðîòíèêå è îáøëàãàõ,çàìåíåíûå íàøèâêàìè èç ãàëóíà íà ðóêàâàõ, óãëîì ââåðõ, âûøå îáøëàãà: äëÿ ôåëüäôåáåëåé äâîéíûå, à äëÿ óíòåð-îôèöåðîâ- îðäèíàðíûå.(ÏÑÇÐÈ-2,¹ 30023). 12 ìàðòà 1857 ã. áûëî âîññòàíîâëåíî íîøåíèå ãàëóíîâ íà âîðîòíèêå è îáøëàãàõ, ñ ñîõðàíåíèåì ôåëüäôåáåëÿì ãàëóííîé íàøèâêè íà ðóêàâå óãëîì ââåðõ, íî òîëüêî îðäèíàðíîé.( ÏÑÇÐÈ-2,¹ 31591). Íà ôîòî ýòîé íàøèâêè íå âèäèì, ñëåäîâàòåëüíî ýòî ñò. óíòåð-îôèöåð.
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Íåò, â äàííîì ñëó÷àå ýòîò ïðèçíàê íå ïîìîæåò. Íàøèâêó îòìåíèëè óæå ÷åðåç ãîä â 1858-ì (ÏÑÇ 33059).


Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí íàïèñàë:
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Èíòåðåñíà åãî ñîñëîâíàÿ ïðåíàäëåæíîñòü, ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî 26 àâã.1856 ã. áûëè îòìåíåíû ðåêðóòñêèå íàáîðû íà òðè ãîäà, â 1859 ã. ïðîäëåíî åùå íà òðè è òîëüêî â 1862 ã.,â ñâÿçè ñ áåñïîðÿäêàìè â Ïîëüøå áûë ïðîèçâåäåí ïîëíîöåííûé íàáîð .... Ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî îí ñëóæèò â òåëåãðàôíûõ ÷àñòÿõ îí ãðàìîòåí è ïðîøåë ïîäãîòîâêó ïî ñïåöèàëüíîñòè è áûë çàòåì ïðîèçâåäåí â óíòåð-îôèöåðû. Îí äîâîëüíî ìîëîä, îáû÷íî óíòåð-îôèöåðû â ïåõîòå, óáåëåííûå ñåäèíàìè âåòåðàíû, ïóòü ê óíòåðñêèì íàøèâêàì áûë íåëåãîê...
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À âîò ýòî Âàøå çàìå÷àíèå çàñòàâèëî ìåíÿ çàäóìàòüñÿ. Åñòü âåðîÿòíîñòü, ÷òî ìîÿ èçíà÷àëüíàÿ âåðñèÿ íå âåðíà è íà ôîòîãðàôèè ðåâèçîð Òåëåãðàôíîãî Êîðïóñà â ôîðìå äî 1869-ãî ãîäà. Âçãëÿíèòå íà ÏÑÇ 32816 è 37611. Âàøå ìíåíèå?


VC
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà

VC

Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4551

ksologub íàïèñàë:
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íà ïîãîíå íèæå ñïåöçíàêà íåò øèôðîâêè, ÷åãî áûòü, ñêîðåå âñåãî, íå ìîãëî. Èëè îíà ïðîñòî íå âèäíà íà ñêàíå â òàêîì íèçêîì ðàçðåøåíèè.....
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Êèðèëë, ïðèâåò! ß åù¸ ðàç ïîñìîòðåë íà ôîòîãðàôèþ è çàêðàëèñü ñîìíåíèÿ. Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî íà ïóãîâèöàõ èìååòñÿ òåëåãðàôíûé çíàê, à íà ïîãîíàõ âûïóøêà. Òàêîå â àðìåéñêèõ ÷àñòÿõ áûòü ìîãëî? Ìíå êàæåòñÿ íåò, íî ÿ ïîâåðõíîñòíî ðàçáèðàþñü â ïåðèîäå äî 1881-ãî ãîäà. Ýòî íå ìîæåò áûòü ðåâèçîð Òåëåãðàôíîãî óïðàâëåíèÿ èëè Òåëåãðàôíîãî êîðïóñà (íå çíàþ êàê ïðàâèëüíî âåäîìñòâî èìåíîâàëîñü) ïåðèîäà 1858-1869 ãã? Äî òîãî êàê òåëåãðàôèñòîâ ïåðåâåëè â ÌÂÄ. Âçãëÿíè ïîæàëóéñòà íà íîìåðà èç ÏÑÇ, êîòîðûå ÿ óêàçàë â ïðåäûäóùåì ñîîáùåíèè. ×òî äóìàåøü?

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Õâîðîñòåíêî
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Õâîðîñòåíêî

Ìîñêîâñêàÿ îáë.
Ñîîáùåíèé: 137
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
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Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí íàïèñàë:
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Èíòåðåñíà åãî ñîñëîâíàÿ ïðåíàäëåæíîñòü, ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî 26 àâã.1856 ã. áûëè îòìåíåíû ðåêðóòñêèå íàáîðû íà òðè ãîäà, â 1859 ã. ïðîäëåíî åùå íà òðè è òîëüêî â 1862 ã.,â ñâÿçè ñ áåñïîðÿäêàìè â Ïîëüøå áûë ïðîèçâåäåí ïîëíîöåííûé íàáîð .... Ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî îí ñëóæèò â òåëåãðàôíûõ ÷àñòÿõ îí ãðàìîòåí è ïðîøåë ïîäãîòîâêó ïî ñïåöèàëüíîñòè è áûë çàòåì ïðîèçâåäåí â óíòåð-îôèöåðû. Îí äîâîëüíî ìîëîä, îáû÷íî óíòåð-îôèöåðû â ïåõîòå, óáåëåííûå ñåäèíàìè âåòåðàíû, ïóòü ê óíòåðñêèì íàøèâêàì áûë íåëåãîê...
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Ïî íåòî÷íûì ñâåäåíèÿì åãî ôèíñêîãî ïðàâíóêà, Íèêîëàé Ñëåïóøîâ ðîäèëñÿ ãäå-òî â Ðîññèè ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî â 1843 ã., ïîòîì æèë â Øëèññåëüáóðãå (âîçìîæíî ôîòî îòòóäà?) è ñîâåðøåííî òî÷íî èçâåñòíà äàòà åãî æåíèòüáû â â Ôèíëÿíäèè - 1866 ã.
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