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Countess Helena Apolonia Potocka - 1808
oil on wood, 81.2 x 45.9 cm
National Museum, Warsaw
Purchased in 1925. Countess Helene Apollonia Potocka-de Ligne, née Massalska. She was married first to Karl Josef de Ligne in 1779. they has one daughter called Sidonie de Ligne, born 1787. Her husband died as a soldier on the Austrian side in the fight against the french on 14 Sept 1792. She then married Wincent Potocki. They had three children. All of them died early. Sidonie de Ligne married one of her step brothers Potocki. Dr Elzbieta Pilecka-Pietrusinska, the curator of the National Museum of Warsaw provided this image of the restored painting to Julia Slupska for our web site. The museum finished the restoration of the portrait in early 2009. The painting was purchased in 1925 without the damaged left side. View a black and white image of the original undamaged painting. The original dimensions were 81.2 x 67 cm.

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Îäíà èõ ìèíèàòþð, íàïèñàííàÿ íåèçâåñòíûì àâòîðîì (ìîæåò áûòü è Òîí÷è) ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ â ìóçåå â ã. Ïîçíàíü (Ïîëüøà). È â êàòàëîãå ïîä îïèñàíèåì ýòîé ìèíèàòþðû åùå ðàç äîêóìåíòàëüíî ïîäòâåðæäàåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòà ìèíèàòþðà îøèáî÷íî ñ÷èòàåòñÿ èçîáðàæåíèåì ìîëîäîé Ñîôèè Ïîòîöêîé, õîòÿ ýòî Õåëåíà Ïîòîöêàÿ.

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Åñòü åçå äâà èçäàíèÿ, êîòîðûå íàïèñàíû ïðî Õåëåíó Ïîòîöêóþ.

Îäíî èç íèõ Histoire d'une grande dame au XVIII siècle, la comtesse Hélène Potocka 1 edition By Clara Adèle Luce Herpin

Âòîðîå íà ôîòî

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 ñòèëå ïîðòåòîâ ìàòåðè ñäåëàí è ïîðòðåò åå äî÷åðè Ñèäîíèè

Sidonia de Ligne (1786-1828). E chi ti sposa? Francesco Potocki, figlio del patrigno (!). Morì ancor giovane, senza figli.

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Countess Sidonie Potocka de Ligne ( born Sidonie de Ligne ) Austrian wife of Count François Potocki . Portrait . SPdL: 8 December 1786 14 May 1828 . After a miniature by German artist Emmanuel Peter

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Miniatur Frauenbildnis: "Sidonie Gräfin Potocka de Ligne, geb. 1786 in
Küstrin". Re. undtl. sign., um 1960. Bildnis einer jungen Frau in blauem
Kleid. Ovaler Bildausschnitt, gewölbt verglast, breiter Rahmen mit
Elfenbeinplättchen belegt, einige fehlen. Ges. 14 x 12 cm.
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Îêñàíà, ñïàñèáî çà èíòåðåñíóþ òåìó!
Ó ìåíÿ, îäíàêî âîïðîñ âîò êàêîé. Íà Âèêèïåäèè åñòü âîò ýòîò ïîðòðåò, ïîäïèñàííûé êàê ïîðòðåò Ñîôèè Ïîòîöêîé.
È îí ÷åðòîâñêè ïîõîæ èìåííî íà âîñïðîèçâåäåííûé âàìè ïîðòðåò, "îøèáî÷íî" ïîäïèñàííûé òåì æå èìåíåì.
Ëèáî ãëàçà ìåíÿ ïîäâîäÿò, ëèáî àâòîð êíèãè, èç êîòîðîãî âçÿò ïîðòðåò íàïóòàë êàê è îñòàëüíûå, ëèáî ÷òî-òî åùå. Íî ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ýòî ëåãêàÿ îäóòëîâàòîñòü, ãóñòûå áðîâè è ãëàçà íà âûêàòå âñå ïðèíàäëåæàò îäíîé è òî æå æåíùèíå. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íå íàøåë ôàìèëèè àâòîðà ýòîãî ïîðòðåòà:-(

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PS. Óâàæàåìûå ìîäåðàòîðû, ìîæåò ïåðåíåñåì ýòó òåìó â "Ïîðòðåòíûå çàãàäêè"?
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Èñòî÷íèê: Ðîâèíñêèé Ä.À. Ïîäðîáíûé ñëîâàðü ðóññêèõ ãðàâèðîâàííûõ ïîðòðåòîâ. Ìîñêâà, 1888 ã., Ò. III, ñòá. 1826-1827
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