Êòî æå èçîáðàæåí íà ïîðòðåòå ðàáîòû Òîí÷è?
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 12:42ÍÅ Ñîôèÿ Ïîòîöêàÿ Äîëãèé ïåðèîä âðåìåíè ÿ çàíèìàþñü ïîèñêàìè îòâåòà íà âîïðîñ, à êòî æå èçîáðàæåí íà ïîðòðåòå ðàáîòû Òîí÷è. Ïåðåðûëà ãîðû ëèòåðàòóðû. Åñòü äàæå îòäåëüíîå èññëåäîâàíèå ïîëüñêîãî èññêóñòâîâåäà íà ýòó òåìó. È âîò ìîå ìíåíèå.
Íà ýòîé ôîòîãðàôèè èçîáðàæåíà ðîäñòâåííèöà Ñîôèè Ïîòîöêîé Õåëåíà äå Ëèíü, Ïîòîöêàÿ èç Ìàññàëüñêèõ. Àâòîð Ñàëüâàòîð Òîí÷è.
Ê âåëèêîìó ñîæàëåíèþ çíàþùèõ èñòîðèêîâ, â ñåðåäèíå 19 ñò. êàðòèíà áûëà íåïðàâèëüíî ïîäïèñàíà, âñå èññëåäîâàòåëè òâîð÷åñòâà Òîí÷è ãîâîðÿò ïðî ýòó îøèáêó, íî ó íàñ ìàëî êòî ÷èòàåò ñòàðûå êíèãè. Ïîýòîìó èõ ãîäà â ãîä, â ñòàòüÿõ íà÷èíàþùèõ èññëåäîâàòåëåé è â íàó÷íûõ ðàáîòàõ ìàñòèòûõ àâòîðîâ ïîðòðåò Õåëåíû Ïîòîöêîé óïîðíî íàçûâàþò Ñîôèåé Ïîòîöêîé. Õåëåíà óìåðëà â Ïàðèæå. ÅÅ çàõîðîíåíèå â Ïàðèæå ïåðåíåñëè â îáùóþ ìîãèëó â 1840 ãîäó, è òî÷íîãî ìåñòà çàõîðîíåíèÿ íåò. Ïðîøó Âàñ, äàâàéòå âñå âìåñòå íà èçâåñòíûõ ñàéòàõ, ìàëåíüêèõ ôîðóìàõ, íàó÷íûõ ñòàòüÿõ, äåðåâåíñêèõ ðàññêàçàõ, êàòàëîãàõ êàðòèí, è «âåëèêèõ» ìîíîãðàôèÿõ íå ñîâåðøàòü îøèáêó ñ àòðèáóöèåé ìàëåíüêîé êàðòèíû èçâåñòíîé æåíùèíû ñâîåãî âðåìåíè, Õåëåíû Ïîòîöêîé.
Âàðèàíòîâ ýòîãî ïîðòðåòà ìíîæåñòâî. Áîëüøàÿ èõ ÷àñòü áûëà âûïîëíåíà â êîíöå 19 â. Îäíà èõ ìèíèàòþð, íàïèñàííàÿ íåèçâåñòíûì àâòîðîì (ìîæåò áûòü è Òîí÷è) ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ â ìóçåå â ã. Ïîçíàíü (Ïîëüøà). È â êàòàëîãå ïîä îïèñàíèåì ýòîé ìèíèàòþðû åùå ðàç äîêóìåíòàëüíî ïîäòâåðæäàåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòà ìèíèàòþðà îøèáî÷íî ñ÷èòàåòñÿ èçîáðàæåíèåì ìîëîäîé Ñîôèè Ïîòîöêîé, õîòÿ ýòî Õåëåíà Ïîòîöêàÿ.
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 12:43 1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:36ÍÅ Ñîôèÿ Ïîòîöêàÿ Äîëãèé ïåðèîä âðåìåíè ÿ çàíèìàþñü ïîèñêàìè îòâåòà íà âîïðîñ, à êòî æå èçîáðàæåí íà ïîðòðåòå ðàáîòû Òîí÷è. Ïåðåðûëà ãîðû ëèòåðàòóðû. Åñòü äàæå îòäåëüíîå èññëåäîâàíèå ïîëüñêîãî èññêóñòâîâåäà íà ýòó òåìó. È âîò ìîå ìíåíèå. Íà ýòîé ôîòîãðàôèè èçîáðàæåíà ðîäñòâåííèöà Ñîôèè Ïîòîöêîé Õåëåíà äå Ëèíü, Ïîòîöêàÿ èç Ìàññàëüñêèõ. Àâòîð Ñàëüâàòîð Òîí÷è. Ê âåëèêîìó ñîæàëåíèþ çíàþùèõ èñòîðèêîâ, â ñåðåäèíå 19 ñò. êàðòèíà áûëà íåïðàâèëüíî ïîäïèñàíà, âñå èññëåäîâàòåëè òâîð÷åñòâà Òîí÷è ãîâîðÿò ïðî ýòó îøèáêó, íî ó íàñ ìàëî êòî ÷èòàåò ñòàðûå êíèãè. Ïîýòîìó èõ ãîäà â ãîä, â ñòàòüÿõ íà÷èíàþùèõ èññëåäîâàòåëåé è â íàó÷íûõ ðàáîòàõ ìàñòèòûõ àâòîðîâ ïîðòðåò Õåëåíû Ïîòîöêîé óïîðíî íàçûâàþò Ñîôèåé Ïîòîöêîé. Õåëåíà óìåðëà â Ïàðèæå. ÅÅ çàõîðîíåíèå â Ïàðèæå ïåðåíåñëè â îáùóþ ìîãèëó â 1840 ãîäó, è òî÷íîãî ìåñòà çàõîðîíåíèÿ íåò. Ïðîøó Âàñ, äàâàéòå âñå âìåñòå íà èçâåñòíûõ ñàéòàõ, ìàëåíüêèõ ôîðóìàõ, íàó÷íûõ ñòàòüÿõ, äåðåâåíñêèõ ðàññêàçàõ, êàòàëîãàõ êàðòèí, è «âåëèêèõ» ìîíîãðàôèÿõ íå ñîâåðøàòü îøèáêó ñ àòðèáóöèåé ìàëåíüêîé êàðòèíû èçâåñòíîé æåíùèíû ñâîåãî âðåìåíè, Õåëåíû Ïîòîöêîé. Âàðèàíòîâ ýòîãî ïîðòðåòà ìíîæåñòâî. Áîëüøàÿ èõ ÷àñòü áûëà âûïîëíåíà â êîíöå 19 â. Îäíà èõ ìèíèàòþð, íàïèñàííàÿ íåèçâåñòíûì àâòîðîì (ìîæåò áûòü è Òîí÷è) ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ â ìóçåå â ã. Ïîçíàíü (Ïîëüøà). È â êàòàëîãå ïîä îïèñàíèåì ýòîé ìèíèàòþðû åùå ðàç äîêóìåíòàëüíî ïîäòâåðæäàåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòà ìèíèàòþðà îøèáî÷íî ñ÷èòàåòñÿ èçîáðàæåíèåì ìîëîäîé Ñîôèè Ïîòîöêîé, õîòÿ ýòî Õåëåíà Ïîòîöêàÿ. Èíòåðåñíàÿ ññûëî÷êà: http://es.rodovid.org/wk/Especial:ChartInventory/391597
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 12:59 1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:02Helena Potocka Ïðåäëàãàþ íåñêîëüêî ïîðòðåòîâ Õåëåíû Ïîòîöêîé (äëÿ ñðàâíåíèÿ). Áóäó ðàäà îáñóæäåíèþ. Îêñàíà.
1. Helena Potocka en 1808, par Elisabeth Vigée Le Brun, Musée national Varsovie
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:02Õåëåíà Ïîòîöêàÿ 2. Hélène, Princesse de Ligne, 1782? Adélaïde Labille-Guiard (1749–1803)
Portrait of Helena Potocka (1733-1821) Polski: Portret Heleny Massalskiej, żony księcia Charles - Antoine de Ligne, późniejszej Wincentowej Potockiej
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:04 1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:08Õåëåíà Ïîòîöêàÿ 3. Franciszek Smuglewicz Portrait of Helena Potocka, c. 1788–1790 or 1792 Purchased in 1971
material: oil on canvas
dimensions: 207 x 140 cm
description: Helena Potocka, née Massalska, (1763–1815), orphaned as a child, was taken care of by her paternal uncle Prince Ignacy Józef Massalski, the bishop of Vilnius, and received decent education in Paris. She married Charles Joseph Emanuel de Ligne, the son of an Austrian field marshal. However, when the unhappy marriage broke down, she arrived in Poland at the court of Stanisław August. A love affair with Court Chamberlain Wincent Potocki, started at that time, led to their wedding, celebrated by Bishop Massalski himself, and Potocki’s subsequent divorce with his ex-wife. The picture may have been painted between 1788 and 1790, when the princess and the painter Franciszek Smuglewicz stayed in Warsaw, or in 1792, on the occasion of the former’s wedding to Wincenty Potocki. The aim of portraying Helena as the Roman goddess Vesta was to suggest that the princess was the guardian of the hearth and home, and that her virtues equalled those of the ancient goddess. Vesta protected the sacred fire and was the symbol of purity and innocence. The choice of the convention was probably influenced by Bishop Massalski, who commissioned the portrait. He wanted his niece, who was far from being a saint, to be remembered in the best possible way. Barbara Ciciora
exposition: The Gallery of 19th Century Polish Art in Sukiennice, The Cloth Hall, 1, Main Market Square
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:06Õåëåíà Ïîòîöêàÿ À âîò åùå îäèí èíòåðåñíûé îáðàç
Massalska, Helena Apollonia Prinzessin Coverage: Adel | Frauen | Type: Druckgraphik | Subject: Adel | Frau | Frauen | Fürsten | Fürstin | Regentinnen | Massalska, Helena Apollonia Prinzessin | Relation: image/jpeg Data provider: Österreichische Nationalbibliothek - Austrian National Library | Provider: The European Library | Austria |
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:09Helena Potocka Countess Helena Apolonia Potocka - 1808 oil on wood, 81.2 x 45.9 cm National Museum, Warsaw Purchased in 1925. Countess Helene Apollonia Potocka-de Ligne, née Massalska. She was married first to Karl Josef de Ligne in 1779. they has one daughter called Sidonie de Ligne, born 1787. Her husband died as a soldier on the Austrian side in the fight against the french on 14 Sept 1792. She then married Wincent Potocki. They had three children. All of them died early. Sidonie de Ligne married one of her step brothers Potocki. Dr Elzbieta Pilecka-Pietrusinska, the curator of the National Museum of Warsaw provided this image of the restored painting to Julia Slupska for our web site. The museum finished the restoration of the portrait in early 2009. The painting was purchased in 1925 without the damaged left side. View a black and white image of the original undamaged painting. The original dimensions were 81.2 x 67 cm.
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:38 OXA íàïèñàë: [q] Îäíà èõ ìèíèàòþð, íàïèñàííàÿ íåèçâåñòíûì àâòîðîì (ìîæåò áûòü è Òîí÷è) ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ â ìóçåå â ã. Ïîçíàíü (Ïîëüøà). È â êàòàëîãå ïîä îïèñàíèåì ýòîé ìèíèàòþðû åùå ðàç äîêóìåíòàëüíî ïîäòâåðæäàåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòà ìèíèàòþðà îøèáî÷íî ñ÷èòàåòñÿ èçîáðàæåíèåì ìîëîäîé Ñîôèè Ïîòîöêîé, õîòÿ ýòî Õåëåíà Ïîòîöêàÿ.
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:48Ïîòîöêàÿ êíèãè Åñòü åçå äâà èçäàíèÿ, êîòîðûå íàïèñàíû ïðî Õåëåíó Ïîòîöêóþ.
Îäíî èç íèõ Histoire d'une grande dame au XVIII siècle, la comtesse Hélène Potocka 1 edition By Clara Adèle Luce Herpin
Âòîðîå íà ôîòî
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2012 13:53Ñèäîíèÿ Ïîòîöêàÿ  ñòèëå ïîðòåòîâ ìàòåðè ñäåëàí è ïîðòðåò åå äî÷åðè Ñèäîíèè
Sidonia de Ligne (1786-1828). E chi ti sposa? Francesco Potocki, figlio del patrigno (!). Morì ancor giovane, senza figli.
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