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1 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 16:58 1 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 16:59 [ Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå bander ] Îíè æäóò âàøåãî ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ, ÷òî òåñòåðó áîëåå 13 ëåò è åãî îïåêóí ñîãëàñåí íà òåñòèðîâàíèå. Êàê ïîñòóïàòü ðåøàåòå âû. | | |
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2 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 23:44 South Central Asia TThe South India cluster is comprised of present day Southern India, and Sri Lanka. Until roughly the 6th millennium BCE, Peninsular India and Sri Lanka were connected by land. Modern humans arrived in this region roughly 34,000 years ago. However, complex societies did not develop until much later, and much of the ancient history of the South India cluster is comprised of smaller, largely egalitarian and sometimes mobile communities. In present day context, this cluster is intimately connected to the Central Asian cluster; however, early divergence between the Central Asia cluster and the South India cluster is evident until roughly 4,000 years ago, and is typically divided by the Narmada River. This division is further encouraged by the use of different language families, as well as a staggered timeline for both the adoption of farming practices, and the admixture of Indo-European influence between these regions. The end of this division coincides with the fall of the Indus Valley civilizations, as well as increased trade with Roman sailors. This suggests that these two populations were culturally isolated from one another until this fall, with civilization centers moving east and south to the Ganges, thus facilitating interaction between these two clusters. Ancient populations in the South India cluster spoke languages from the Dravidian family, a family of languages that is not found outside of Southern Asia. Smaller agrarian and pastoral communities who are known for their complex megalithic tombs, dominated in this cluster until roughly the 1st century CE when Roman traders in the Indian Ocean appeared. This cultural convergence opened the South India cluster up to intensified international trade, which was further encouraged with participation along the Silk Road. With increased trade and urbanization, the South India cluster witnessed its first large civilization – the Satavahana dynasty which lasted from 27 BCE to the 3rd century CE. All rulers of this dynasty are recognized as having participated in trade along the Silk Road, further solidifying the importance the Silk Road played on the rise and fall of ancient civilizations. [ Èçîáðàæåíèå íà ñòîðîííåì ñàéòå: 6dd485d9f1ae.jpg ] Þæíàÿ Öåíòðàëüíàÿ Àçèÿ Êëàñòåð Þæíîé Èíäèè ñîñòîèò èç ñîâðåìåííîé Þæíîé Èíäèè è Øðè-Ëàíêè. Ïðèìåðíî äî 6-ãî òûñÿ÷åëåòèÿ äî í. ý. ïîëóîñòðîâíàÿ Èíäèÿ è Øðè-Ëàíêà áûëè ñîåäèíåíû ñóøåé. Ëþäè ñîâðåìåííîãî òèïà ïðèáûëè â ýòîò ðåãèîí ïðèìåðíî 34 000 ëåò íàçàä. Îäíàêî ñëîæíûå îáùåñòâà ðàçâèëèñü ãîðàçäî ïîçæå, è áîëüøàÿ ÷àñòü äðåâíåé èñòîðèè þæíî-èíäèéñêîãî êëàñòåðà ñîñòîèò èç íåáîëüøèõ, â îñíîâíîì ðàâíîïðàâíûõ, à èíîãäà è ìîáèëüíûõ ñîîáùåñòâ.  ñîâðåìåííîì êîíòåêñòå ýòîò êëàñòåð òåñíî ñâÿçàí ñ öåíòðàëüíîàçèàòñêèì êëàñòåðîì; îäíàêî ðàííåå ðàñõîæäåíèå ìåæäó êëàñòåðîì Öåíòðàëüíîé Àçèè è êëàñòåðîì Þæíîé Èíäèè ïðîèçîøëî ïðèìåðíî äî 4000 ëåò íàçàä è îáû÷íî ðàçäåëÿåòñÿ ðåêîé Íàðìàäà. Ýòî ðàñõîæäåíèå äàëåå ïîîùðÿåòñÿ èñïîëüçîâàíèåì ðàçëè÷íûõ ÿçûêîâûõ ñåìåé, à òàêæå ïîýòàïíûì ãðàôèêîì êàê äëÿ ïðèíÿòèÿ ìåòîäîâ âåäåíèÿ ñåëüñêîãî õîçÿéñòâà, òàê è äëÿ ñìåøèâàíèÿ èíäîåâðîïåéñêîãî âëèÿíèÿ ìåæäó ýòèìè ðåãèîíàìè. Êîíåö ýòîãî ðàñõîæäåíèÿ ñîâïàäàåò ñ ïàäåíèåì öèâèëèçàöèé äîëèíû Èíäà, à òàêæå óâåëè÷åíèåì òîðãîâëè ñ ðèìñêèìè ìîðÿêàìè. Ýòî ãîâîðèò î òîì, ÷òî ýòè äâå ïîïóëÿöèè áûëè êóëüòóðíî èçîëèðîâàíû äðóã îò äðóãà äî ýòîãî ïàäåíèÿ, à öåíòðû öèâèëèçàöèè ïåðåìåñòèëèñü íà âîñòîê è þã ê Ãàíãó, ÷òî ñïîñîáñòâîâàëî âçàèìîäåéñòâèþ ìåæäó ýòèìè äâóìÿ êëàñòåðàìè. Äðåâíåå íàñåëåíèå êëàñòåðà Þæíîé Èíäèè ãîâîðèëî íà ÿçûêàõ äðàâèäèéñêîé ñåìüè, ñåìåéñòâà ÿçûêîâ, êîòîðîå íå âñòðå÷àåòñÿ çà ïðåäåëàìè Þæíîé Àçèè. Íåáîëüøèå çåìëåäåëü÷åñêèå è ñêîòîâîä÷åñêèå îáùèíû, èçâåñòíûå ñâîèìè ñëîæíûìè ìåãàëèòè÷åñêèìè ãðîáíèöàìè, äîìèíèðîâàëè â ýòîì êëàñòåðå ïðèìåðíî äî 1-ãî âåêà í. ý., êîãäà ïîÿâèëèñü ðèìñêèå òîðãîâöû â Èíäèéñêîì îêåàíå. Ýòà êóëüòóðíàÿ êîíâåðãåíöèÿ îòêðûëà þæíîèíäèéñêèé êëàñòåð è àêòèâèçèðîâàëà ìåæäóíàðîäíóþ òîðãîâëþ, êîòîðàÿ ïîëó÷èëà äàëüíåéøåå ðàçâèòèå áëàãîäàðÿ òîðãîâëè íà Øåëêîâîì ïóòè. Ñ ðîñòîì òîðãîâëè è óðáàíèçàöèè êëàñòåð Þæíîé Èíäèè ñòàë ñâèäåòåëåì ïåðâîé êðóïíîé öèâèëèçàöèè -äèíàñòèè Ñàòàâàõàíà, êîòîðàÿ ïðîäîëæàëàñü ñ 27 ãîäà äî í. ý. äî 3-ãî âåêà í. ý. Âñå ïðàâèòåëè ýòîé äèíàñòèè, êàê èçâåñòíî, ó÷àñòâîâàëè â òîðãîâëå âäîëü Øåëêîâîãî ïóòè, ÷òî åùå áîëüøå óêðåïèëî çíà÷åíèå Øåëêîâîãî ïóòè äëÿ ïîäúåìà è ïàäåíèÿ äðåâíèõ öèâèëèçàöèé. --- Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò | | |
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20 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 21:38 Äîáðûé äåíü. Ñäåëàë òåñò ÔÔ ñâîåìó ñûíó, à íà myheritage òåñòèðîâàëñÿ åãî ÷åòûð¸õþðîäíûé äÿäÿ. Çàãðóçèâ ðåçóëüòàòû ñûíà íà myheritage - ðîäñòâåííèêà â ñîâïàäåíöàõ ÿ íå íàø¸ë. ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî, âîçìîæíî, êòî-òî â êàêîì-òî ïîêîëåíèè íàêîñÿ÷èë, íî åñòü ëè âîçìîæíîñòü ñîïîñòàâèòü íàøè ðåçóëüòàòû? Ýòó âîçìîæíîñòü íà myheritage ÿ íå íàø¸ë, ò.ê. ñîïîñòàâèòü ìîæíî òîëüêî íàéäåííûõ ñîâïàäåíöåâ. --- Èùó: Ñêðèïöîâ (ÐÔ, Êóðñêàÿ îáë.), Ëàïåõî, Ëàïåõà (Ìîãèë¸âñêàÿ îáë.), Ïóãà÷ (Áðåñòñêàÿ îáë.), Øèìàí (Ãðîäíåíñêàÿ, Ìèíñêàÿ îáë.), Äàâûäîâ, Áûêîâñêèé, Äåãòÿð¸â, Äóäêî, Ðóñàê | | |
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20 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 21:53 È åù¸. Ó ðîäñòâåííèêà â íàñòðîéêàõ êîíôèäåíöèàëüíîñòè ñòîÿò âñå ïòè÷êè, ò.å. åãî äàííûå äîñòóïíû äëÿ ïîèñêà --- Èùó: Ñêðèïöîâ (ÐÔ, Êóðñêàÿ îáë.), Ëàïåõî, Ëàïåõà (Ìîãèë¸âñêàÿ îáë.), Ïóãà÷ (Áðåñòñêàÿ îáë.), Øèìàí (Ãðîäíåíñêàÿ, Ìèíñêàÿ îáë.), Äàâûäîâ, Áûêîâñêèé, Äåãòÿð¸â, Äóäêî, Ðóñàê | | |
Bones Ñîîáùåíèé: 1449 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 7710 | Íàâåðõ ##
21 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 1:49 bander íàïèñàë: [q] ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî, âîçìîæíî, êòî-òî â êàêîì-òî ïîêîëåíèè íàêîñÿ÷èë, íî åñòü ëè âîçìîæíîñòü ñîïîñòàâèòü íàøè ðåçóëüòàòû? Ýòó âîçìîæíîñòü íà myheritage ÿ íå íàø¸ë, ò.ê. ñîïîñòàâèòü ìîæíî òîëüêî íàéäåííûõ ñîâïàäåíöåâ.[/q]
Çäðàâñòâóéòå! Åñòü äâå âîçìîæíîñòè. 1) äÿäÿ çàãðóæàåò ñâîè äàííûå íà ÔÔ (òóäà è ñ myheritage ãðóçèòü ìîæíî ñâîè äàííûå) è Âû èùåòå åãî ñðåäè ñîâïàäåíöåâ ñûíà. Åñëè æå Âû åãî ñðåäè ñîâïàäåíöåâ íå íàõîäèòå, òîãäà ñì. ïóíêò 2. 2) Âû ìîæåòå çàãðóçèòü ÄÍÊ-äàííûå ñûíà íà gedmatch.com è äÿäÿ ïóñòü ñâîè òàì çàãðóçèò, òîãäà Âû ñìîæåòå ñðàâíèòü êèò ñûíà è åãî 4-þðîäíîãî äÿäè, òàê êàê òàì ìîæíî ñðàâíèâàòü ÄÍÊ-äàííûå äàæå òåõ ëþäåé, êîòîðûå íå ÿâëÿþòñÿ ñîâïàäåíöàìè. Óäà÷è! | | |
Daria1 Ñîîáùåíèé: 139 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 191 | Íàâåðõ ##
21 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 7:21 Äà, ñêîðåå âñåãî ÷åòûð¸õþðîäíîãî äÿäþ òîëüêî gedmatch.com ñìîæåò ïîêàçàòü. Íàäî íàæàòü íàäïèñü "One-to-one Autosomal Comparison"
Õì, ÷åðûð¸õþðîäíûé äÿäÿ - ýòî êàê-òî äàëåêî, ýòî êîãäà äëÿ äÿäè îáùèé ïðåäîê åãî ïðà-ïðàäåä/áàáóøêà? À ó ìàëü÷èêà ïðà-ïðà-ïðà?Òî åñòü 4 è 5 ïîêîëåíèé ñîîòâåòñòâåííî? | | |
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21 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 8:13 21 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 8:19 Ñïàñèáî çà ñîâåò. Ñîãëàñåí, îíè òî äàë¸êèå ðîäñòâåííèêè, íî íå íà ñòîëüêî ÷òîáû íå íàøëîñü ñîâïàäåíèå, âåäü â ñîâïàäåíöàõ çíà÷àòñÿ íå âåñòü îòêóäà âçÿòûå "ðîäñòâåííèêè" ñ 0,4% îáùåãî äíê. Òóò äîëæíî áûòü çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå, ïî ìîèì ïîäñ÷¸òàì ãäå-òî îêîëî 4%. Ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî âñ¸ çàâèñèò êàê ñëîæèëñÿ ïàçë èç ÄÍÊ ïðåäêîâ, íî îíè íàéòèñü äîëæíû â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå --- Èùó: Ñêðèïöîâ (ÐÔ, Êóðñêàÿ îáë.), Ëàïåõî, Ëàïåõà (Ìîãèë¸âñêàÿ îáë.), Ïóãà÷ (Áðåñòñêàÿ îáë.), Øèìàí (Ãðîäíåíñêàÿ, Ìèíñêàÿ îáë.), Äàâûäîâ, Áûêîâñêèé, Äåãòÿð¸â, Äóäêî, Ðóñàê | | |
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21 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 8:22 Daria1 íàïèñàë: [q] [/q]
Ó äÿäè îáùèé ïðàïðàäåä, à ó ñûíà ïðàïðàïðàäåä --- Èùó: Ñêðèïöîâ (ÐÔ, Êóðñêàÿ îáë.), Ëàïåõî, Ëàïåõà (Ìîãèë¸âñêàÿ îáë.), Ïóãà÷ (Áðåñòñêàÿ îáë.), Øèìàí (Ãðîäíåíñêàÿ, Ìèíñêàÿ îáë.), Äàâûäîâ, Áûêîâñêèé, Äåãòÿð¸â, Äóäêî, Ðóñàê | | |
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21 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 8:50 Çäîðîâî, ÷òî âû çíàåòå ñâîþ äàëåêóþ ðîäíþ.
4 % - êàê-òî ìíîãî âû íàñ÷èòàëè, íåò?
Ó ìàëü÷èêà ñ åãî äåäîì â èäåàëå 25%, ñ ïðàäåäîì 12.5 ñ ïðàïðà 6.25 ñ ïðàïðàïðà 3.125. À åùå íàäî ñïóñòèòüñÿ îáðàòíî äî åãî 4-ðîäíîãî äÿäè. Âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå îñòàíåòñÿ! È ýòî â èäåàëå, åñëè ðàñïðåäåëÿòü ïîðîâíó! Ìîæåò ñëó÷èòüñÿ, ÷òî ñ äåäîì âìåñòî 25% ê ïðèìåðó, 19%. Äàëåå ê ïðà îò 19 îñòàíåòñÿ 8% Ê ïðàïðà 3% À ê ïðàïðàïðà âîîáùå 0%. È äàæå åñëè ó äÿäè ñ îáùèì ïðåäêîì ÷òî-òî áóäåò, à ó ìàëü÷èêà 0%, òî âîò è íå ïîêàæåò ñîâïàäåíèÿ.
Êàê âû ïîëó÷èëè 4%? --- Õèòðî, Ìàíþê, Ìîëî÷êî, Êîñòþê (Âñåëþá Íîâîãðóäñêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóáåðíèè)
Ñîïèí, Êàíèí, Äîëãàðåâ (Ãðàéâîðîíñêèé óåçä Êóðñêîé ãóáåðíèè)
Áûñòðûé, Áûñòðîâ, Âîâê (Ñòàâðîïîëüñêèé êðàé+Ñåâåðíûé Êàâêàç)
Öûãàíîâ (Ñàìàðà) | | |
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21 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 9:41 Daria1 íàïèñàë: [q] Çäîðîâî, ÷òî âû çíàåòå ñâîþ äàëåêóþ ðîäíþ.
4 % - êàê-òî ìíîãî âû íàñ÷èòàëè, íåò?
Ó ìàëü÷èêà ñ åãî äåäîì â èäåàëå 25%, ñ ïðàäåäîì 12.5 ñ ïðàïðà 6.25 ñ ïðàïðàïðà 3.125. À åùå íàäî ñïóñòèòüñÿ îáðàòíî äî åãî 4-ðîäíîãî äÿäè. Âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå îñòàíåòñÿ! È ýòî â èäåàëå, åñëè ðàñïðåäåëÿòü ïîðîâíó! Ìîæåò ñëó÷èòüñÿ, ÷òî ñ äåäîì âìåñòî 25% ê ïðèìåðó, 19%. Äàëåå ê ïðà îò 19 îñòàíåòñÿ 8% Ê ïðàïðà 3% À ê ïðàïðàïðà âîîáùå 0%. È äàæå åñëè ó äÿäè ñ îáùèì ïðåäêîì ÷òî-òî áóäåò, à ó ìàëü÷èêà 0%, òî âîò è íå ïîêàæåò ñîâïàäåíèÿ.
Êàê âû ïîëó÷èëè 4%?
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Òî÷íî, 3%! Ó ìåíÿ â óñòíûõ óòðåííèõ ïîäñ÷¸òàõ çàêðàëàñü îøèáêà.))) Òîëüêî íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü, ïî÷åìó íóæíî ñïóñêàòüñÿ âíèç ê äÿäå? Ó íèõ äîëæíî áûòü îêîëî 3% îáùåãî äíê ïðåäêà --- Èùó: Ñêðèïöîâ (ÐÔ, Êóðñêàÿ îáë.), Ëàïåõî, Ëàïåõà (Ìîãèë¸âñêàÿ îáë.), Ïóãà÷ (Áðåñòñêàÿ îáë.), Øèìàí (Ãðîäíåíñêàÿ, Ìèíñêàÿ îáë.), Äàâûäîâ, Áûêîâñêèé, Äåãòÿð¸â, Äóäêî, Ðóñàê | | |
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