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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1803
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1186
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Ê ÷åìó âû ýòî âûëîæèëè ñþäà? Êàêàÿ íóæäà áûëà?
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Íîâã. îáë, Ìàëîâèøåðñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïîääóáüå, Ãîðíåöêîå, Ñåëèùè — ÅÂÏËÎÂÛ ÈÂÀÍÎÂÛ
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Ñëîáîæàíùèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 657
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 978

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Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
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Ñëîáîæàíùèíà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 657
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 978
Northeast Asia
The Northeast Asia cluster encompasses present day China, Mongolia, Japan, Korea, Siberia, and Kazakhstan. Modern humans are believed to have arrived to the region of East Asia via two potential routes: a coastal route leading from the eastern regions of Africa, and an early internal migration through Western Eurasia eventually splitting off between 45,000 and 36,000 years ago.
Internal dispersion of these ancient peoples was vast, and until farming practices were established roughly 10,000 years ago in the Loess Plateau and Central Yangzi River Valley; populations within this cluster consisted of small mobile hunter-gatherer groups. These hunter-gatherer groups spread wide, and migrations took these hunter-gatherers into Siberia, further east to Japan and Korea. This migration was not as unlikely, as a land bridge still existed between modern day Japan and Korea.
Farming came later to peripheral areas in this cluster, notably the Jomon hunter-gatherer groups in Japan, as they are recognized as one of the longest enduring hunter-gatherers in the world, which lasted until 2,000 years ago. On the Asian continent, early populations experienced continual tension with populations from the western steppe regions, until 221 BCE, when the Qin dynasty. The Han dynasty followed the Qin, and continued their drive for international expansion, which was later fueled by the Mongol army of Genghis Kahn.
By 108 BCE, Han armies invaded and controlled areas of Manchuria and Korea – subsequently moving into Japan. In Korea, the Han empire had established 4 provinces, maintaining control for the following 400 years. Regular contact between populations in Japan and Korea and China are estimated to have started around 500 BCE. Later bronze and iron trade between Korea and Japan proved to be transformative for Japan and their weapon industry.
Populations within this cluster remained largely isolated until roughly 5,000 years ago; however, once this region was opened, others were quick to adopt and then spread many cultural, technological, and philosophical artifacts from this area around the world. Two of the most notable features of this region were the creation of the Great Wall and the Silk Road trading route. The Great Wall was initially created to defend China from the invading Xiongnu warriors from Mongolia, and was later extended westward to protect merchants travelling along the Silk Road. The first leg of the Silk Road was marked by the Great Wall, and proved to be enormously impactful to most of the Old World regions as it facilitated previously limited or non-existent trade and interaction between largely separated cultures.


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Ñåâåðî-Âîñòî÷íàÿ Àçèÿ
Êëàñòåð Ñåâåðî-Âîñòî÷íîé Àçèè îõâàòûâàåò ñîâðåìåííûé Êèòàé, Ìîíãîëèþ, ßïîíèþ, Êîðåþ, Ñèáèðü è Êàçàõñòàí. Ëþäè ñîâðåìåííîãî òèïà, êàê ïîëàãàþò, ïðèáûëè â ðåãèîí Âîñòî÷íîé Àçèè ïî äâóì ïîòåíöèàëüíûì ìàðøðóòàì: ïðèáðåæíûé ìàðøðóò, âåäóùèé èç âîñòî÷íûõ ðåãèîíîâ Àôðèêè, è ðàííÿÿ âíóòðåííÿÿ ìèãðàöèÿ ÷åðåç Çàïàäíóþ Åâðàçèþ, êîòîðàÿ â êîíå÷íîì ñ÷åòå îòäåëèëàñü ìåæäó 45 000 è 36 000 ëåò íàçàä.
Âíóòðåííåå ðàññåÿíèå ýòèõ äðåâíèõ íàðîäîâ áûëî îáøèðíûì, äî òåõ ïîð, ïîêà ïðàêòèêà çåìëåäåëèÿ íå áûëà óñòàíîâëåíà íà ˸ññîâîì ïëàòî è â Öåíòðàëüíîé äîëèíå ðåêè ßíöçû ïðèìåðíî 10 000 ëåò íàçàä; ïîïóëÿöèè â ýòîì êëàñòåðå ñîñòîÿëè èç íåáîëüøèõ ìîáèëüíûõ ãðóïï îõîòíèêîâ-ñîáèðàòåëåé. Ýòè ãðóïïû îõîòíèêîâ-ñîáèðàòåëåé øèðîêî ðàñïðîñòðàíèëèñü, è ìèãðàöèè ïðèâåëè äàííûõ îõîòíèêîâ-ñîáèðàòåëåé â Ñèáèðü, è äàëåå íà âîñòîê - â ßïîíèþ è Êîðåþ. Ýòà ìèãðàöèÿ íå áûëà ñòîëü óæ ìàëîâåðîÿòíîé, ïîñêîëüêó ìåæäó ñîâðåìåííîé ßïîíèåé è Êîðååé âñå åùå ñóùåñòâîâàë ñóõîïóòíûé ìîñò.
Ïîçæå çåìëåäåëèå ïðèøëî â ïåðèôåðèéíûå ðàéîíû ýòîãî êëàñòåðà, â ÷àñòíîñòè â ãðóïïû îõîòíèêîâ-ñîáèðàòåëåé êóëüòóðû Äæîìîí â ßïîíèè, ïîñêîëüêó îíè ïðèçíàíû îäíèìè èç ñàìûõ ïðîäîëæèòåëüíûõ îõîòíèêîâ-ñîáèðàòåëåé â ìèðå è ïðîñóùåñòâîâàëè äî íà÷àëà íàøåé ýðû. Íà àçèàòñêîì êîíòèíåíòå ðàííèå ïîïóëÿöèè èñïûòûâàëè ïîñòîÿííóþ íàïðÿæåííîñòü ñ ïîïóëÿöèÿìè èç çàïàäíûõ ñòåïíûõ ðåãèîíîâ, âïëîòü äî 221 ãîäà äî í. ý., êîãäà ïîÿâèëàñü äèíàñòèÿ Öèíü. Äèíàñòèÿ Õàíü ñëåäîâàëà çà äèíàñòèåé Öèíü è ïðîäîëæàëà ñâîå ñòðåìëåíèå ê ìåæäóíàðîäíîé ýêñïàíñèè, êîòîðîå ïîçæå áûëî ïîäïèòàíî ìîíãîëüñêîé àðìèåé ×èíãèñõàíà.
Ê 108 ãîäó äî í. ý. õàíüñêèå âîéñêà âòîðãëèñü â Ìàíü÷æóðèþ è Êîðåþ è êîíòðîëèðîâàëè èõ, à çàòåì äâèíóëèñü â ßïîíèþ.  Êîðåå èìïåðèÿ Õàíü îñíîâàëà 4 ïðîâèíöèè, ñîõðàíèâ êîíòðîëü â òå÷åíèå ñëåäóþùèõ 400 ëåò. Ðåãóëÿðíîå âçàèìîäåéñòâèå ìåæäó íàñåëåíèåì ßïîíèè, Êîðåè è Êèòàÿ, ïî îöåíêàì, íà÷àëîñü îêîëî 500 ã. äî í.ý. Ïîçæå òîðãîâëÿ áðîíçîé è æåëåçîì ìåæäó Êîðååé è ßïîíèåé îêàçàëàñü ïðåîáðàçóþùåé äëÿ ßïîíèè è åå îðóæåéíîé ïðîìûøëåííîñòè.
Íàñåëåíèå ýòîãî êëàñòåðà îñòàâàëîñü â çíà÷èòåëüíîé ñòåïåíè èçîëèðîâàííûì ïðèìåðíî äî 5000 ëåò íàçàä; îäíàêî, êàê òîëüêî ýòîò ðåãèîí áûë îòêðûò, äðóãèå áûñòðî îñâîèëè è çàòåì ðàñïðîñòðàíèëè ìíîæåñòâî êóëüòóðíûõ, òåõíîëîãè÷åñêèõ è ôèëîñîôñêèõ àðòåôàêòîâ èç ýòîé îáëàñòè ïî âñåìó ìèðó. Äâóìÿ èç íàèáîëåå çàìåòíûõ îñîáåííîñòåé ýòîãî ðåãèîíà áûëî ñîçäàíèå Âåëèêîé Êèòàéñêîé ñòåíû è Âåëèêîãî øåëêîâîãî ïóòè. Ïåðâîíà÷àëüíî Âåëèêàÿ êèòàéñêàÿ ñòåíà áûëà ñîçäàíà äëÿ çàùèòû Êèòàÿ îò âòîðæåíèÿ âîèíîâ ñþííó èç Ìîíãîëèè, à çàòåì áûëà ðàñøèðåíà íà çàïàä, ÷òîáû çàùèòèòü òîðãîâöåâ, ïóòåøåñòâóþùèõ ïî Øåëêîâîìó ïóòè. Ïåðâûé îòðåçîê Âåëèêîãî Øåëêîâîãî ïóòè áûë îòìå÷åí Âåëèêîé êèòàéñêîé ñòåíîé è îêàçàë îãðîìíîå âëèÿíèå íà áîëüøèíñòâî ðåãèîíîâ Ñòàðîãî Ñâåòà, ïîñêîëüêó îí ñïîñîáñòâîâàë ðàíåå îãðàíè÷åííîé èëè íåñóùåñòâóþùåé òîðãîâëå, à òàêæå âçàèìîäåéñòâèþ ìåæäó çíà÷èòåëüíî ðàçäåëåííûìè êóëüòóðàìè.
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Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
IrNik

IrNik

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 77
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 132
Íå ìîãó äëÿ ñåáÿ ïîíÿòü, äàñò ëè ìíå ÷òî-òî íîâîå òåñò FF, åñëè ïðåäêè ïî ìóæñêîé ëèíèè óæå íàéäåíû ïî àðõèâàì äî íà÷àëà 18-ãî âåêà, à æåíû èõ áûëè â îñíîâíîì îäíîñåëü÷àíêè. Ïîäñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, åñòü ëè ñìûñë èëè âûáðîñ äåíåã?
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Êóðãàíîâû ä. Øëÿõèíî Ðÿçàíñêèé ó.; Âîñòðîñàáëèíû ñ.Ðóäèíî Ìèõàéëîâñêèé ó. Ðÿçàí.ãóá.; Øóëüãà, Òàðàí ñ.Çîëîêàðû Èçìàèëüñêàÿ îáë. Òàòàðáóíàðñêèé ð-í; Çâåðåâû è Êàøëåâû ñ.×óðþêîâî Òàìáîâñêàÿ ãóá., Êîçëîâñêèé ó.; Òóøåâû è Ãðàáûëèíû ñ.ßðîñëàâû Äàíêîâñêèé ó.
Ïåòð_ÑÏá

Ñîîáùåíèé: 179
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 107
IrNik, Âû íå íàïèñàëè ãëàâíîãî, ÷òî Âû õîòèòå íàéòè, â êàêîì ñëó÷àå äåíüãè íå îêàæóòñÿ âûáðîøåííûìè.
Èíòåðåñóþò ëè Âàñ äðóãèå ðîäñòâåííèêè, äðóãèå ïîòîìêè òåõ ïðåäêîâ ïî ìóæñêîé ëèíèè, èõ æ¸í, ðîäñòâåííèêè òåõ, êòî ñðåäè âàøèõ áëèæàéøèõ ïðåäêîâ áûë íå èç ýòîãî ñåëà? Êàæäûé èç íàéäåííûõ ìîæåò ÷òî-òî äîáàâèòü ê èñòîðèè Âàøåé ñåìüè, âåäü îíè ìîãëè èçó÷èòü ðîäîñëîâíóþ åù¸ äàëüøå, ÷åì Âû, ïî äðóãèì âåòâÿì, ìîãëè ñîõðàíèòü ó ñåáÿ â ñåìüÿõ èíòåðåñíûå äîêóìåíòû èç Âàøåé îáùåé èñòîðèè. Ëèáî, íàîáîðîò, Âû ñìîæåòå ïîäåëèòüñÿ ñ íàéäåííûìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè ñâåäåíèÿìè, êîòîðûõ íåò ó íèõ.
Òåñò ñåé÷àñ äà¸ò íå î÷åíü ìíîãî íàõîäîê â Ðîññèè, ìîæåò âîîáùå íè÷åãî íå íàéòè, íî åñëè îí óæå áóäåò â áàçå, äðóãèå Âàøè ðîäñòâåííèêè, êîòîðûå ñäåëàþò òåñòû ïîçæå, ñìîãóò íàéòè Âàñ.
IrNik

IrNik

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 77
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 132
[ Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå Ïåòð_ÑÏá ]
Ïåòð_ÑÏá, áëàãîäàðþ çà îòâåò. Èíòåðåñóåò ãëóáèíà, à íå øèðèíà. Äà, è äëÿ øèðèíû ÿ âñåãäà äîñòóïíà äëÿ îäíîñåëü÷àí íà ýòîì ñàéòå, íî ïîêà îñîáî æåëàþùèõ íå íàáëþäàåòñÿ.
×èñòî äëÿ èíòåðåñà õîòåëîñü áû óçíàòü õîòÿ áû ãàïëîãðóïïó. Íî íå î÷åíü ïîíÿëà, âîçìîæíî ëè ýòî äëÿ æåíñêîãî FF? È íå áóäåò ëè ñ ýòèì ïðîáëåì ó ÔÒÄÍÀ?


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Êóðãàíîâû ä. Øëÿõèíî Ðÿçàíñêèé ó.; Âîñòðîñàáëèíû ñ.Ðóäèíî Ìèõàéëîâñêèé ó. Ðÿçàí.ãóá.; Øóëüãà, Òàðàí ñ.Çîëîêàðû Èçìàèëüñêàÿ îáë. Òàòàðáóíàðñêèé ð-í; Çâåðåâû è Êàøëåâû ñ.×óðþêîâî Òàìáîâñêàÿ ãóá., Êîçëîâñêèé ó.; Òóøåâû è Ãðàáûëèíû ñ.ßðîñëàâû Äàíêîâñêèé ó.
maxmalk

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 414
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2019 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 387
Åñëè àíàëèç ñäà¸ò æåíùèíà, òî Y-ãàïëîãðóïïó Âû íèêàê íå óçíàåòå. Y-õðîìîñîìû ó æåíùèí íåò è ÷åðåç æåíùèí îíà íå ïåðåäà¸òñÿ.

Åñëè åñòü æåëàíèå óçíàòü mt-ãàïëîãðóïïó (ïðÿìàÿ æåíñêàÿ ëèíèÿ), òî ìîæíî ñäåëàòü ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé àíàëèç ó FTDNA (íå FF, à èìåííî mt). Èëè ñäåëàòü àóòîñîìíûé àíàëèç â 23&Me, îíè ñîîáùàþò ïðè ýòîì mt-ãàïëîãðóïïó
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Ìèíÿåâû/Ìåíÿåâû/Ìèíîâû/Ìèíèíû (ä. Âîëêîâî Ëîòîøèíñêèé/Ñòàðèöêèé)
Íàðûøêèíû (ä. Ðîìàíîâî Êîð÷åâñêîé/Êèìðñêèé, ã. Êàøèí)
Ìàëüêîâû (ä. Êóçíåöû Áåæåöêèé/Ìàêñàòèõèíñêèé)
Õîðüêîâû/Õàðüêîâû (ñ. Òåðÿåâî, Âîëîêîëàìñêèé/Êëèíñêèé ÌÎ)
Ïåòð_ÑÏá

Ñîîáùåíèé: 179
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 107
IrNik, FF âîîáùå íå òåñòèðóåò Y-õðîìîñîìó, äàæå äëÿ ìóæ÷èí íóæåí äðóãîé òåñò.
Êðîìå òîãî, ëþáîé ãåíåòè÷åñêèé òåñò Âàì äàñò òîëüêî øèðèíó, ïîòîìó êàê íàøè ïðåäêè, æèâøèå äî íàñ, òåñòû ñåáå íå äåëàëè. Íî Âàø ðîäñòâåííèê, êîòîðûé ó Âàñ íàéä¸òñÿ, ìîæåò çíàòü ÷òî-òî ãëóáæå Âàñ.
Äàæå ïîòîìêè îäíîñåëü÷àí ìîãóò íå çíàòü òåõ ôàìèëèé, ïî êîòîðûì Âû èõ èùåòå íà ýòîì ñàéòå, èëè âîîáùå íå çàãëÿäûâàòü íà ýòîò ñàéò. Îíè è ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà ìîãóò íå çíàòü.

IrNik

IrNik

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 77
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 132

Ïåòð_ÑÏá íàïèñàë:
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FF âîîáùå íå òåñòèðóåò Y-õðîìîñîìó, äàæå äëÿ ìóæ÷èí íóæåí äðóãîé òåñò.
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Îäèí ôîðóì÷àíèí îáüÿñíÿë, ÷òî íóæíî çàãðóçèòü ñûðûå äàííûå FF íà íåêèé Morley è òîãäà ïîëó÷èøü ãàïëîãðóïïó (âîçìîæíî, âåðîÿòíîñòíóþ). Íî îí ñäàâàë â ÌÍ, âîçìîæíî ëè ýòî ñ òåñòîì ÔÒÄÍÀ, íå çíàþ. È ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî ìóæñêîé òåñò.

Ïåòð_ÑÏá íàïèñàë:
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Äàæå ïîòîìêè îäíîñåëü÷àí ìîãóò íå çíàòü òåõ ôàìèëèé, ïî êîòîðûì Âû èõ èùåòå íà ýòîì ñàéòå, èëè âîîáùå íå çàãëÿäûâàòü íà ýòîò ñàéò. Îíè è ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà ìîãóò íå çíàòü.
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Òàêèå ïîòîìêè è òåñò âðÿä ëè ñäåëàþò. Ó ìåíÿ ïî îòöîâñêîé ëèíèè - êðåïîñòíûå, ïîýòîìó èìåëà ââèäó íàçâàíèå äåðåâíè, à íå ôàìèëèè. Ïîòîìêè íåðóññêîÿçû÷íûå âðÿä ëè çíàþò áîëüøå, ÷åì ðóññêîÿçû÷íûå, åñëè ïðåäêè 2,5 âåêà æèëè â îäíîì ìåñòå.
Íî â öåëîì Âàøó ìûñëü ïîíÿëà. Ñïàñèáî.
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Êóðãàíîâû ä. Øëÿõèíî Ðÿçàíñêèé ó.; Âîñòðîñàáëèíû ñ.Ðóäèíî Ìèõàéëîâñêèé ó. Ðÿçàí.ãóá.; Øóëüãà, Òàðàí ñ.Çîëîêàðû Èçìàèëüñêàÿ îáë. Òàòàðáóíàðñêèé ð-í; Çâåðåâû è Êàøëåâû ñ.×óðþêîâî Òàìáîâñêàÿ ãóá., Êîçëîâñêèé ó.; Òóøåâû è Ãðàáûëèíû ñ.ßðîñëàâû Äàíêîâñêèé ó.
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