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10 ìàðòà 2018 15:45 10 ìàðòà 2018 16:08 Slava Utmanovo íàïèñàë: [q] Ïîíÿòíî ÷òî íè÷åãî íå ïîíÿòíî[/q]
Ïðîñòî ýòíîñ íå èìååò íèêàêîãî îòíîøåíèÿ ê ãàïëîãðóïïå... òàê æå êàê è âíåøíîñòü. Èäåÿ, ÷òî ÄÍÊ-òåñò ìîæåò óêàçàòü íà íàöèîíàëüíîñòü òåñòèðóåìîãî - ôèêöèÿ. Ó ÷åëîâåêà 2 ðîäèòåëåé, 4 áàáêè/äåäà, 8 ïðàäåäîâ/ïðàáàáêè... êàæäûé èç íèõ ìîã áûòü èç êàêîé-òî óíèêàëüíîé íàöèè, íî êàêîå îòíîøåíèå ýòî èìååò ê ñîâðåìåííîìó ÷åëîâåêó? Îí ÷òî, âûáèðàåò íàöèîíàëüíîñòü èç 8 âàðèàíòîâ? Êîíå÷íî, íåò. Ïîíÿòèå "íàöèÿ" ïîÿâèëàñü â 18 âåêå è ÄÍÊ ñîâåðøåííî íå â êóðñå ýòîãî ÷åëîâå÷åñêîãî èçîáðåòåíèÿ. Åùå áîëåå ñìåøíà ïîïûòêà äåëèòü ëþäåé ïî ÿçûêîâûì ãðóïïàì (òèïà ôèííî-óãðû âñòðåòèëèñü ñ èíäî-åâðîïåéöàìè). ß ìîãó ãîâîðèòü ïî-ðóññêè â Ðîññèè è ïî-ôèíñêè â Ôèíëÿíäèè.  ïåðâîì ñëó÷àå ÿ èíäîåâðîïååö, à âî âòîðîì - ôèííî-óãð. Íî ýòî íåëåïî. (Òå æå âåíãðû, ê ïðèìåðó, ÿâëÿþòñÿ ôèííî-óãðàìè, íî óðàëüñêîé ÄÍÊ ó íèõ ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåò, èáî 1000 ëåò íàçàä íà äàííîé òåððèòîðèè áûëî ýëèòàðíîå äîìèíèðîâàíèå ìèãðàíòîâ ñ ïðåäóðàëüñêîé îêðàèíû Âîñòî÷íîé Åâðîïû â å¸ ñîâðåìåííîì ïîíèìàíèè.) Íà êàðòèíêå íèæå ïîêàçàíà "ýòíè÷åñêàÿ ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü" äÿäè ìîåé æåíû â ïîíèìàíèè ýòíîêàëüêóëÿòîðà Ìàéõåðèòàæ. Íàïèñàíî, ÷òî íèãåðèåö - 1,2%. Ìîæíî, êîíå÷íî, ïðåäñòàâèòm, ÷òî êàêîé-òî îòâàæíûé êàïèòàí àôðèêàíåö ïðèïëûë íà ïëîòó ê áåðåãó Áàëòèéñêîãî ìîðÿ è ñìåøàëñÿ ñ ìåñòíûìè ïðèáàëòàìè è ñëàâÿíàìè. Íî, ñêîðåå âñåãî, ó ìîåãî ðîäñòâåííèêà îïðåäåë¸ííûé ñíèï R1b ãàïëîãðóïïû, êîòîðûé áëèçîê ê ñíèïó R1b ãàïëîãðóïïû, èìåþùåéñÿ â áîëüøîé ïðîïîðöèè â äàííîì ðåãèîíå Àôðèêè. Ïî÷åìó òàê ñëó÷èëîñü - îòäåëüíàÿ òåìà. Íî íåïîñðåäñòâåííî íèãåðèéöû âðÿä ëè íàõîäÿòñÿ â ïðåäêàõ ñòîïðîöåíòíîãî áåëîðóñà.
 --- Íîâã. îáë, Ìàëîâèøåðñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïîääóáüå, Ãîðíåöêîå, Ñåëèùè — ÅÂÏËÎÂÛ ÈÂÀÍÎÂÛ
Êèðîâñê. îáë, Ëóçñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïÿòèíñêàÿ — ÈÃÓÌÍÎÂÛ
Òàìá. îáë, Ãàâðèëîâñêèé ð-í — ÒÅШØÊÈÍÛ ÂÎË×ÊÎÂÛ
Áåëîðóññèÿ: Áîáðóéñê, Íîâîãðóäîê — ÏÎÒÀÏÎÂÈ×È ÎÑÈÏÎÂÈ×È
☦ Ôèííû ÑÏá ☦ | | |
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11 ìàðòà 2018 3:13 Feroce íàïèñàë: [q] Ïðåäêîâ ïîêàçûâàåò Ancient Origins, ò.ê. îí ñðàâíèâàåò âàñ ñ äðåâíèìè îáðàçöàìè.
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Ïðåäê³â ïîêàçóº myOrigins, à Ancient Origins ðîáèòü äåòàëüíèé àíàë³ç ºâðîïåéñüêî¿ ãðóïè ç myOrigins. Ïðåäêîâ ïîêàçûâàåò myOrigins, à Ancient Origins äåëàåò ïîäðîáíûé àíàëèç åâðîïåéñêîé ãðóïïû èç myOrigins. --- Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
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Íåáîëüøàÿ ñêèäî÷êà, íî ïðèÿòíî. --- Íîâã. îáë, Ìàëîâèøåðñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïîääóáüå, Ãîðíåöêîå, Ñåëèùè — ÅÂÏËÎÂÛ ÈÂÀÍÎÂÛ
Êèðîâñê. îáë, Ëóçñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïÿòèíñêàÿ — ÈÃÓÌÍÎÂÛ
Òàìá. îáë, Ãàâðèëîâñêèé ð-í — ÒÅШØÊÈÍÛ ÂÎË×ÊÎÂÛ
Áåëîðóññèÿ: Áîáðóéñê, Íîâîãðóäîê — ÏÎÒÀÏÎÂÈ×È ÎÑÈÏÎÂÈ×È
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16 ìàðòà 2018 19:42 17 ìàðòà 2018 20:55 MOTALA Motala, Sweden (~8,000 years ago) Remains of seven individuals were discovered in a European Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherer burial site east of lake Vättern near modern day Motala, Sweden. All of the individuals found belonged to the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups U2 and U5, which was quite common for Hunter-Gatherers of this time period and location. These mitochondrial DNA haplogroups can still be found in modern day populations, although in much lower frequencies. Of these seven individuals, five of them were males belonging to the Y-chromosome haplogroup I, thus providing evidence that even in Mesolithic times this Y-chromosome haplogroup was common in Northern European populations.
LOSCHBOUR Luxemburg (~8,000 years ago) Remains of an 8,000 year old Hunter-Gatherer were discovered at a burial site located in a rock shelter in Loschbour, Luxembourg. The remains are believed to have belonged to a male between 34 and 47 years old. Similar to the remains found in Motala, Sweden, this Hunter-Gatherer male also belongs to the Y-chromosome haplogroup I and mitochondrial haplogroup U.
LA BRANA 1 La Brana, Spain (~7,000 years ago) Remains of a 7,000 year old Hunter-Gatherer, dubbed La Brana 1, were discovered in a cave in Northern Spain. Through analysis of DNA extracted from a tooth, La Brana 1’s remains have since shed some much needed light on the Mesolithic inhabitants of ancient Europe. DNA analysis has concluded that La Brana 1 carried genes that are associated with disease resistance, thus challenging the existing belief that the emergence of these genes coincided with the arrival of later farming communities. Analysis also suggests that this Hunter-Gatherer is more closely related to modern-day Northern Europeans than to Southern Europeans who have shown greater similarity with Hunter-Gatherer remains from regions in Sweden and Siberia.
ÖTZI Swiss / Italian Alps (~5,300 years ago) The Tyrolean Iceman, better known as Ötzi, was found in the Ötztal Mountains on the border of modern day Austria and Italy. Found with items such as a copper hand axe, dagger, and arrows typical of Copper Age burials, Ötzi is thought to be a member of a 4th millennium BCE Farming culture from, what is currently known as, South Tyrol, Austria.
STUTTGART Germany ( ~5,000 years ago) Remains discovered in Stuttgart, Germany were identified as having been from a female, likely between 22–30 years old, who was a member of a Neolithic farming community. Evidence from excavations of this site shows inhabitants from a number of different cultures throughout the ancient past, and it is not specific to only Neolithic farming communities. Artifacts, such as pottery dating to around 5,500–4,800 BCE, and evidence of ritualized burial practices suggest that at least one of the remains and inhabitants was likely from the Linearbandkeramik (LBK) culture. The LBK culture has been identified as one of the first farming cultures in Europe, and they are known for their distinctive pottery and burial practices.
ÌÓÒÀËÀ Ìóòàëà, Øâåöèÿ (~8000 ëåò íàçàä) Îñòàíêè ñåìè îñîáåé áûëè îáíàðóæåíû â çàõîðîíåíèè îõîòíèêà-ñîáèðàòåëÿ åâðîïåéñêîãî ìåçîëèòà ê âîñòîêó îò îçåðà Âåòòåðí, íåäàëåêî îò ñîâðåìåííîãî ãîðîäà Ìóòàëà â Øâåöèè. Âñå íàéäåííûå îñîáè ïðèíàäëåæàëè ê ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíûì ãàïëîãðóïïàì ÄÍÊ U2 è U5, ÷òî áûëî äîâîëüíî ðàñïðîñòðàíåíî ó îõîòíèêîâ-ñîáèðàòåëåé ýòîãî ïåðèîäà è ýòîãî ìåñòîíàõîæäåíèÿ. Ýòè ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíûå ãàïëîãðóïïû ÄÍÊ âñå åùå ìîæíî íàéòè â ñîâðåìåííûõ ïîïóëÿöèÿõ, íî â ãîðàçäî áîëåå íèçêèõ ÷àñòîòàõ. Èç ýòèõ ñåìè îñîáåé ïÿòü áûëè ìóæ÷èíàìè, îòíîñÿùèìèñÿ ê Y-õðîìîñîìíîé ãàïëîãðóïïå I, ÷òî ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò î òîì, ÷òî äàæå âî âðåìåíà ìåçîëèòà ýòà ãàïëîãðóïïà Y-õðîìîñîìû áûëà ðàñïðîñòðàíåíà â ïîïóëÿöèÿõ Ñåâåðíîé Åâðîïû.
ËÎØÁÓÐ Ëþêñåìáóðã (~8000 ëåò íàçàä) Îñòàíêè 8000-ëåòíåãî îõîòíèêà-ñîáèðàòåëÿ áûëè îáíàðóæåíû íà ìåñòå çàõîðîíåíèÿ, ðàñïîëîæåííîì â ñêàëüíîì óêðûòèè â Ëîøáóðå, Ëþêñåìáóðã. Ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî îñòàíêè ïðèíàäëåæàëè ìóæ÷èíå â âîçðàñòå îò 34 äî 47 ëåò. Ïîäîáíî îñòàíêàì, íàéäåííûì â øâåäñêîé Ìóòàëå, ýòîò îõîòíèê-ñîáèðàòåëü òàêæå îòíîñèòñÿ ê Y-õðîìîñîìíîé ãàïëîãðóïïå I è ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíîé ãàïëîãðóïïå U.
ËÀ ÁÐÀÍÀ 1 Ëà Áðàíà, Èñïàíèÿ (~7,000 ëåò íàçàä) Îñòàíêè 7000-ëåòíåãî îõîòíèêà-ñîáèðàòåëÿ, ïîëó÷èâøåãî íàçâàíèå Ëà Áðàíà 1, áûëè îáíàðóæåíû â ïåùåðå íà ñåâåðå Èñïàíèè. Áëàãîäàðÿ àíàëèçó ÄÍÊ, èçâëå÷åííîé èç çóáà, îñòàíêè Ëà Áðàíà 1 ñ òåõ ïîð ïðîëèëè ìíîãî íåîáõîäèìîãî ñâåòà íà ìåçîëèòè÷åñêèõ æèòåëåé äðåâíåé Åâðîïû. Àíàëèç ÄÍÊ äàë ðåçóëüòàò, ÷òî Ëà Áðàíà 1 íåñåò ãåíû, êîòîðûå ñâÿçàíû ñ óñòîé÷èâîñòüþ ê áîëåçíÿì, òåì ñàìûì îñïàðèâàÿ ñóùåñòâóþùåå ìíåíèå î òîì, ÷òî ïîÿâëåíèå ýòèõ ãåíîâ ñîâïàëî ñ ïîÿâëåíèåì áîëåå ïîçäíèõ çåìëåäåëü÷åñêèõ îáùèí. Àíàëèç òàêæå ïîêàçûâàåò, ÷òî ýòîò îõîòíèê-ñîáèðàòåëü áîëåå òåñíî ñâÿçàí ñ ñîâðåìåííûìè ñåâåðíûìè åâðîïåéöàìè, ÷åì ñ þæíûìè åâðîïåéöàìè, êîòîðûå ïîêàçàëè áîëüøåå ñõîäñòâî ñ îñòàòêàìè îõîòíèêîâ-cîáèðàòåëåé èç ðåãèîíîâ â Øâåöèè è Ñèáèðè.
ÝÖÈ Øâåéöàðñêèå / Èòàëüÿíñêèå Àëüïû (~5,300 ëåò íàçàä) Òèðîëüñêèé ëåäÿíîé ÷åëîâåê, áîëåå èçâåñòíûé êàê Ýöè, áûë íàéäåí â Ýöòàëüñêèõ Àëüïàõ íà ãðàíèöå ñîâðåìåííîé Àâñòðèè è Èòàëèè. Íàäåííûé ñ òàêèìè ïðåäìåòàìè, êàê ìåäíûé òîïîð, êèíæàë, ñòðåëû, ÷òî ÿâëÿþòñÿ òèïè÷íûìè äëÿ çàõîðîíåíèé ìåäíîãî âåêà, Ýöè ñ÷èòàåòñÿ æèòåëåì çåìëåäåëü÷åñêîé êóëüòóðû 4-ãî òûñÿ÷åëåòèÿ äî í. ý., êîòîðàÿ â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ èçâåñòíà êàê Þæíûé Òèðîëü, Àâñòðèÿ.
ØÒÓÒÃÀÐÒ Ãåðìàíèÿ (~5000 ëåò íàçàä) Îñòàíêè, îáíàðóæåííûå â Øòóòãàðòå, Ãåðìàíèÿ, áûëè èäåíòèôèöèðîâàíû êàê ïðèíàäëåæàâøèå æåíùèíå, âåðîÿòíî, â âîçðàñòå 22-30 ëåò, êîòîðàÿ áûëà ÷ëåíîì íåîëèòè÷åñêîé çåìëåäåëü÷åñêîé îáùèíû. Ñâèäåòåëüñòâà èç ðàñêîïîê ýòîãî ìåñòà ïîêàçûâàþò æèòåëåé èç ðàçíûõ êóëüòóð íà ïðîòÿæåíèè âåêîâ, è ýòî êàñàåòñÿ íå òîëüêî íåîëèòè÷åñêèõ çåìëåäåëü÷åñêèõ îáùèí. Àðòåôàêòû, òàêèå êàê êåðàìèêà, äàòèðóåìàÿ ïðèìåðíî 5500–4,800 ãã. äî í. ý., à òàêæå ñâèäåòåëüñòâà î ïðàêòèêå ðèòóàëüíîãî çàõîðîíåíèÿ, ïîçâîëÿþò ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå îäèí èç îñòàòêîâ è æèòåëåé ïðèíàäëåæàë, âåðîÿòíî, ê êóëüòóðå ëèíåéíî-ëåíòî÷íîé êåðàìèêè. Êóëüòóðà ËËÊ áûëà èäåíòèôèöèðîâàíà êàê îäíà èç ïåðâûõ çåìëåäåëü÷åñêèõ êóëüòóð â Åâðîïå, è îíà èçâåñòíà ñâîåé ñàìîáûòíîé ãîí÷àðíîé è ïîãðåáàëüíîé ïðàêòèêîé. --- Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò | | |
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17 ìàðòà 2018 0:37 17 ìàðòà 2018 0:40 ²çþìñüêèé íàïèñàë: [q] ËÎØÁÓÐ Ëþêñåìáóðã (~8000 ëåò íàçàä) Îñòàíêè 8000-ëåòíåãî îõîòíèêà-ñîáèðàòåëÿ áûëè îáíàðóæåíû íà ìåñòå çàõîðîíåíèÿ, ðàñïîëîæåííîì â ñêàëüíîì óêðûòèè â Ëîøáóðå, Ëþêñåìáóðã. Ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî îñòàíêè ïðèíàäëåæàëè ìóæ÷èíå â âîçðàñòå îò 34 äî 47 ëåò. Ïîäîáíî îñòàíêàì, íàéäåííûì â øâåäñêîé Ìóòàëå, ýòîò îõîòíèê-ñîáèðàòåëü òàêæå îòíîñèòñÿ ê Y-õðîìîñîìíîé ãàïëîãðóïïå I è ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíîé ãàïëîãðóïïå U.[/q]
Ëþáîé ÷åëîâåê ìîæåò ñðàâíèòü ñåáÿ ñ íèì â Ãåäìàò÷å. Åãî êèò - M178367 (äóáëü - F999918) Ïðè èñïîëüçîâàíèè 'One-to-one' compare ñëåäóåò óñòàíîâèòü ìèíèìàëüíûé ïîêàçàòåëü â íàñòðîéêàõ Minimum segment cM size to be included in total: (Leave blank for default value = 7) --- Íîâã. îáë, Ìàëîâèøåðñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïîääóáüå, Ãîðíåöêîå, Ñåëèùè — ÅÂÏËÎÂÛ ÈÂÀÍÎÂÛ
Êèðîâñê. îáë, Ëóçñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïÿòèíñêàÿ — ÈÃÓÌÍÎÂÛ
Òàìá. îáë, Ãàâðèëîâñêèé ð-í — ÒÅШØÊÈÍÛ ÂÎË×ÊÎÂÛ
Áåëîðóññèÿ: Áîáðóéñê, Íîâîãðóäîê — ÏÎÒÀÏÎÂÈ×È ÎÑÈÏÎÂÈ×È
☦ Ôèííû ÑÏá ☦ | | |
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17 ìàðòà 2018 15:46 Slava Utmanovo íàïèñàë: [q] íèêàê íå ìîæåò áûòü 5 ïîêîëåíèé[/q]
Òàê öèôðó íàäî ìèíèìóì íà 2 óìíîæàòü, ò.ê. ïîëíûé øàã 0,5, åñëè ÿ íå îøèáàþñü. --- Êóðñê: Ëüãîâñêèé ðàéîí: Áåçñîíîâ, Áåññîíîâ, Áîáðàêîâ, Ïîëóÿíîâ
Âîðîíåæ: Íîâîõîïåðñê è Áîðèñîãëåáñê: Âîðîáüåâ, Ëåîíòüåâ, Ìèõàéëèí, Ñèäîðåíêî
Áðÿíñê: Ñóçåìñêèé ðàéîí: Êîíäðàøîâ, Àíòîùåíêî
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Ýòî íå êîëè÷åñòâî ïîêîëåíèé äî îïðåäåë¸ííîãî ÷åëîâåêà, à ìèíèìàëüíîå âîçìîæíîå êîëè÷åñòâî ïîêîëåíèé. Slava Utmanovo íàïèñàë: [q] âîîáùå ñ áîëüøèíñòâîì ñîâïàäåíèå 7-10 ñì,òàê êîãäà áûëè îáùèå ïðåäêè,â 16-17 âåêå?[/q]
Ðåàëüíî - íàìíîãî äàëüøå. Íî ìû äîëæíû ïîíèìàòü, ÷òî áûâàþò ðàçëè÷íûå èñêëþ÷åíèÿ. Ðå÷ü èä¸ò î ïðàâèëå, à íå îá èñêëþ÷åíèÿõ. --- Íîâã. îáë, Ìàëîâèøåðñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïîääóáüå, Ãîðíåöêîå, Ñåëèùè — ÅÂÏËÎÂÛ ÈÂÀÍÎÂÛ
Êèðîâñê. îáë, Ëóçñêèé ð-í, ä. Ïÿòèíñêàÿ — ÈÃÓÌÍÎÂÛ
Òàìá. îáë, Ãàâðèëîâñêèé ð-í — ÒÅШØÊÈÍÛ ÂÎË×ÊÎÂÛ
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