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Áëàãîäàðÿ ôîðóì÷àíàì çàðàçèëàñü èäååé ñäåëàòü ÄÍÊ-òåñò 101.gif

Íî ïîíÿëà, ÷òî î÷åíü òðóäíî âûáèðàòü íóæíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ ïî êðóïèíêàì èç ðàçíûõ òåì, èç äíåâíèêîâ ó÷àñòíèêîâ è ò.ä. Ïîñòåïåííî çàáûâàåøü, ÷òî ãäå ïðî÷èòàë ,à âòîðîé ðàç íå âñåãäà íàéòè ïîëó÷àåòñÿ. Äà åùå, ÷àñòåíüêî, è ïîíÿòü íå ìîæåøü íåçíàêîìûå àááðåâèàòóðû è ñëîâà, à ïðîñèòü êàæäûé ðàç ïåðåâåñòè " ñ ðóññêîãî íà ðóññêèé" - êàê-òî íåóäîáíî confuse.gif È òàê, íà ôîíå äèñêóññèé îïûòíûõ ôîðóì÷àí ÷óâñòâóåøü ñåáÿ íå ñîâñåì ðàçóìíûì ñóùåñòâîì)))

À âîïðîñîâ êó÷à!!! smile_030.gif Õîòÿ, ÿ óâåðåíà, ó âñåõ íà÷èíàþùèõ, îäíè è òå æå âîïðîñû, ñîìíåíèÿ è ò.ä. Èíòåðåñ ê ýòîìó äåëó âñ¸ ðàñòåò è æåëàþùèõ âñ¸ áîëüøå è áîëüøå.
Ïîýòîìó î÷åíü ïðîøó çíàþùèõ è îïûòíûõ â ýòîì äåëå èññëåäîâàòåëåé, ïîìî÷ü íàì, íîâè÷êàì, â îñâîåíèè ÄÍÊ-ãåíåàëîãèè 101.gif

Ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ìíîãèå ó ñåáÿ âûêëàäûâàëè ðàíåå êàêèå-òî ñîâåòû è ðåêîìåíäàöèè, äåëèëèñü îïûòîì - ïðîñòî îñòàâüòå çäåñü ññûëî÷êè, ïîæàëóéñòà. Äóìàþ, òàê íîâè÷êè (â òîì ÷èñëå, è ÿ) áûñòðåå ðàçáåðóòñÿ è áóäóò Âàì î÷åíü áëàãîäàðíû!

Íó è êîíå÷íî, ÿ äóìàþ, ÄÍÊ-ñîîáùåñòâî òîëüêî âûèãðàåò, åñëè áëàãîäàðÿ ýòîé òåìå ê íåìó ïðèñîåäèíÿòñÿ íîâåíüêèå "äíê-íàðêîìàíû", êàê âûðàçèëñÿ êòî-òî èç ôîðóì÷àí confuse.gif


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What is Y-DNA?
Y-DNA is what we call the sex chromosome “Y” that is passed from a father to his sons only, women do not receive a Y chromosome. Testing the Y chromosome allows for investigation into a male's paternal family line and can help identify surname lines, living relatives whose Y chromosome is similar to yours, and ancient migration routes your paternal ancestors may have taken.

What is a Haplogroup?
Every male individual who takes one of our Y-DNA tests will also receive their Y-DNA haplogroup. When humans left Africa tens of thousands of years ago, they departed in small groups that migrated into different parts of the world. Over many generations, each group developed distinct mutations allowing us to identify one from the other. We call these groups of mutations haplogroups, and they can tell us which migratory routes our paternal ancestors traveled.

What does SNP stand for?
Single nucleotide polymorphisms, frequently called SNPs (pronounced “snips”), are the most common type of genetic variations. Each SNP is a mutation or new branch on the tree. The number of SNPs on which people match within a database can be used to tell how closely related they are.

What is a Marker or STR?
A marker is what we test in our basic Y-DNA tests. These markers are also referred to as STRs (Short Tandem Repeats) which are a series of repeating nucleotides (A, T, G, C). For example: GACTACTACTACTGG - the STR consists of the three repeated CTA segments. Y-DNA tests look for matching markers or “STRs” between two men, if they match, which would indicate a genetic relationship.

Which test should I buy?
If you are looking to begin Y-DNA testing, the Y-37 Marker test will allow you to become familiar with Y-DNA results. However, if you want to know more about your paternal line through matching or participate in any of our free Group Projects, you will want to start with a Y-67 test. The Y-111 test will be of most benefit for those looking to confirm Y chromosome matching at our highest level between two living men. The difference between the Y-37, Y-67 and Y-111 tests is that we analyze more markers (STRs) which allows for more refined results including matches. The Big Y-500 is for expert users, it will provide 100K SNPs and additional STRs, however these markers will not provide more refined matching.




* Ïðîñëåäèòå èñòîðèþ âàøåé ôàìèëèè
* Ïðèñîåäèíÿéòåñü ê áåñïëàòíûì ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèì èññëåäîâàòåëüñêèì ïðîåêòàì
* Íàéäèòå ñîâïàäåíèÿ â êðóïíåéøåé â ìèðå áàçå äàííûõ Y-ÄÍÊ

Îòêðîéòå äëÿ ñåáÿ ñâîå îòöîâñêîå ïðîèñõîæäåíèå
Êðóïíåéøàÿ â ìèðå áàçà äàííûõ Y-DNA
Y-õðîìîñîìà ïåðåõîäèò ïî÷òè áåç èçìåíåíèé îò îòöà ê ñûíó. Ïðåäêè-ìóæ÷èíû íåñëè ñâîþ ëèíèþ Y-ÄÍÊ âäîëü ïóòåé ñâîèõ ìèãðàöèé, ÷òî ïîçâîëÿåò Âàì ïðîñëåäèòü ñâîå îòöîâñêîå ïðîèñõîæäåíèå ñ ïîìîùüþ íàøèõ ïåðåäîâûõ òåñòîâ Y-ÄÍÊ è êðóïíåéøåé â ìèðå áàçû äàííûõ Y-ÄÍÊ.
Ñïåöèàëüíûå ó÷àñòêè íà Y-õðîìîñîìå îïðåäåëÿþò Y-ãàïëîãðóïïó ìóæ÷èíû, ðàñêðûâàÿ ïðîèñõîæäåíèå åãî ïðåäêîâ, î ÷åì ñâèäåòåëüñòâóþò îáùèå ìàðêåðû ÄÍÊ.

Îòñëåæèâàéòå ñâîþ îòöîâñêóþ ìèãðàöèþ
Ïðîéäèòåñü ïî ïóòÿì ìèãðàöèé ñâîèõ ïðåäêîâ-ìóæ÷èí
Ìóæ÷èíû ìîãóò èñïîëüçîâàòü Y-ÄÍÊ, ÷òîáû îïðåäåëèòü, îòêóäà ïðèøëè èõ ïðÿìûå îòöîâñêèå ïðåäêè, èõ ìåñòîïîëîæåíèå â äðåâíèå âðåìåíà è êàê îíè ìèãðèðîâàëè ïî âñåìó ìèðó.
• Èññëåäóéòå ñâîþ ïðÿìóþ îòöîâñêóþ ëèíèþ è ãåîãðàôè÷åñêîå ïðîèñõîæäåíèå
• Ðàñêðîéòå ñâîå îòöîâñêîå íàñëåäèå, âîçâðàùàÿñü â Àôðèêó
• Ïðîñëåäèòå äðåâíèå ïóòè ìèãðàöèè âàøèõ ïðåäêîâ-ìóæ÷èí

Èìåÿ êðóïíåéøóþ â ìèðå áàçó äàííûõ Y-ÄÍÊ, íàøè ïðîäâèíóòûå òåñòû Y-ÄÍÊ äëÿ ìóæ÷èí ìîãóò èñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ äëÿ îòñëåæèâàíèÿ âàøåé ïðÿìîé è îòäàëåííîé îòöîâñêîé ëèíèè.

Ñðàâíåíèå
Áîëüøå ìàðêåðîâ îçíà÷àåò áîëüøå óâåðåííîñòè
Íàøè ìóæñêèå òåñòû Y-ÄÍÊ äëÿ ïðîâåðêè ñïåöèôè÷åñêèõ ìàðêåðîâ íà Y-õðîìîñîìå.
37 ìàðêåðîâ - õîðîøî äëÿ íà÷àëà è ìîæíî ïîäòâåðäèòü áëèçêèå îòíîøåíèÿ.
Óâåëè÷üòå êîëè÷åñòâî ìàðêåðîâ äî 67 èëè 111 äëÿ åùå áîëüøåé óâåðåííîñòè, à äëÿ ýêñïåðòîâ ïîäõîäèò Y-500 ìàðêåðîâ!

×àñòî çàäàâàåìûå âîïðîñû

×òî òàêîå Y-ÄÍÊ?
Y-ÄÍÊ - ýòî òî, ÷òî ìû íàçûâàåì ïîëîâîé õðîìîñîìîé "Y", êîòîðàÿ ïåðåäàåòñÿ îò îòöà òîëüêî åãî ñûíîâüÿì, æåíùèíû íå ïîëó÷àþò Y-õðîìîñîìó. Òåñòèðîâàíèå Y-õðîìîñîìû ïîçâîëÿåò èññëåäîâàòü îòöîâñêóþ ñåìåéíóþ ëèíèþ ìóæ÷èíû è ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü îïðåäåëèòü ëèíèè ôàìèëèè, æèâûõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ, ÷üÿ Y-õðîìîñîìà ïîõîæà íà âàøó, à òàêæå äðåâíèå ïóòè ìèãðàöèè, êîòîðûå, âîçìîæíî, ïðîäåëàëè âàøè îòöîâñêèå ïðåäêè.

×òî òàêîå Ãàïëîãðóïïà?
Êàæäûé ìóæ÷èíà, êîòîðûé ïðîõîäèò îäèí èç íàøèõ òåñòîâ Y-ÄÍÊ, òàêæå ïîëó÷èò ñâîþ ãàïëîãðóïïó Y-ÄÍÊ. Êîãäà ëþäè ïîêèíóëè Àôðèêó äåñÿòêè òûñÿ÷ ëåò íàçàä, îíè óøëè íåáîëüøèìè ãðóïïàìè, êîòîðûå ìèãðèðîâàëè â ðàçíûå ÷àñòè ìèðà. Íà ïðîòÿæåíèè ìíîãèõ ïîêîëåíèé êàæäàÿ ãðóïïà ðàçðàáîòàëà ðàçëè÷íûå ìóòàöèè, ïîçâîëÿþùèå íàì èäåíòèôèöèðîâàòü îäèí îò äðóãîãî. Ìû íàçûâàåì ýòè ãðóïïû ìóòàöèé ãàïëîãðóïïàìè, è îíè ìîãóò ñêàçàòü íàì, ïî êàêèì ìèãðàöèîííûì ïóòÿì ïóòåøåñòâîâàëè íàøè îòöîâñêèå ïðåäêè.

×òî îçíà÷àåò «Ñïèï»?
Îäèíî÷íûå íóêëåîòèäíûå ïîëèìîðôèçìû, ÷àñòî íàçûâàåìûå ÎÍÏ (ïðîèçíîñèòñÿ êàê "ñíèïû"), ÿâëÿþòñÿ íàèáîëåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûì òèïîì ãåíåòè÷åñêèõ âàðèàöèé. Êàæäûé Ñíèï - ýòî ìóòàöèÿ èëè íîâàÿ âåòâü äåðåâà. ×èñëî ñíèïîâ, ïî êîòîðûì ëþäè ñîâïàäàþò â áàçå äàííûõ, ìîæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü äëÿ îïðåäåëåíèÿ, íàñêîëüêî òåñíî îíè ñâÿçàíû.

×òî òàêîå ìàðêåð èëè STR?
Ìàðêåð - ýòî òî, ÷òî ìû òåñòèðóåì â íàøèõ îñíîâíûõ òåñòàõ Y-ÄÍÊ. Ýòè ìàðêåðû òàêæå íàçâàþòñÿ, êàê STR (êîðîòêèå òàíäåìíûå ïîâòîðû), êîòîðûå ïðåäñòàâëÿþò ñîáîé ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòü ïîâòîðÿþùèõñÿ íóêëåîòèäîâ (A, T, G, C). Íàïðèìåð: GACTACTACTACTGG - STR ñîñòîèò èç òðåõ ïîâòîðíûõ ñåãìåíòîâ CTA. Òåñòû Y-ÄÍÊ èùóò ñîâïàäàþùèå ìàðêåðû èëè "STR" ìåæäó äâóìÿ ìóæ÷èíàìè, åñëè îíè ñîâïàäàþò, ÷òî óêàçûâàåò íà ãåíåòè÷åñêóþ ñâÿçü.

Êàêîé òåñò ÿ äîëæåí êóïèòü?
Åñëè âû õîòèòå íà÷àòü òåñòèðîâàíèå Y-ÄÍÊ, ìàðêåðíûé òåñò Y-37 ïîçâîëèò âàì îçíàêîìèòüñÿ ñ ðåçóëüòàòàìè Y-ÄÍÊ. Îäíàêî, åñëè âû õîòèòå óçíàòü áîëüøå î ñâîåé îòöîâñêîé ëèíèè ïóòåì ñîïîñòàâëåíèÿ èëè ó÷àñòèÿ â ëþáîì èç íàøèõ áåñïëàòíûõ ãðóïïîâûõ ïðîåêòîâ, âàì íóæíî íà÷àòü ñ òåñòà Y-67. Òåñò Y-111 äàñò áîëüøå ïðåèìóùåñòâ äëÿ òåõ, êòî õî÷åò ïîäòâåðäèòü ñîïàäåíèå Y-õðîìîñîìû íà íàøåì ñàìîì âûñîêîì óðîâíå ìåæäó äâóìÿ æèâûìè ìóæ÷èíàìè. Ðàçíèöà ìåæäó òåñòàìè Y-37, Y-67 è Y-111 çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â òîì, ÷òî ìû àíàëèçèðóåì áîëüøå ìàðêåðîâ (STR), ÷òî ïîçâîëÿåò ïîëó÷èòü áîëåå òî÷íûå ðåçóëüòàòû, âêëþ÷àÿ ñîâïàäåíèÿ. À ñàìûé äîðîãîé òåñò Y-500 ïðåäíàçíà÷åí äëÿ ýêñïåðòíûõ ïîëüçîâàòåëåé, îí îáåñïå÷èò 100 òûñÿ÷ SNP è äîïîëíèòåëüíûå STR, íî, òåì íå ìåíåå, ýòè ìàðêåðû íå îáåñïå÷àò áîëåå òî÷íîå ñîâïàäåíèå.

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Ïîìîãó ðàñøèôðîâàòü ðóêîïèñíûé äðåâíèé òåêñò
Äîïîìîæó ðîçøèôðóâàòè ðóêîïèñíèé äàâí³é òåêñò
IvanRybakov
Ó÷àñòíèê

Ìîñêâà
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Äðóçüÿ, ïðîøó ïîìî÷ü ñ îïðåäåëåíèåì òåñòà. Äàæå íå óâåðåí, ïðàâèëüíî ëè ÿ ñòàâëþ âîïðîñ. Âû ïîïðàâüòå åñëè ÷òî, ïîæàëóéñòà:
1. ß õî÷ó ïðîñëåäèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ è ïðåäêîâ ïî îòöó - òóò áîëåå ìåíåå ïîíÿòíî, Y-ÄÍÊ òåñò äëÿ ìåíÿ.
2. ß õî÷ó ïðîñëåäèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ ïî îòöîâñêîé ëèíèè ìàòåðè (îòöà óæå íåò). Ïîäîéäåò ëè äëÿ ýòîãî ìòÄÍÊ äëÿ ìàòåðè?
3. ß õî÷ó ïðîñëåäèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ è ïðåäêîâ ïî ïðàäåäó ìàòåðè. (ò.å. ìàìèíà áàáêà, è å¸ îòåö è âûøå) - êàêîé òåñò äëÿ ýòîãî ìîæåò ïîäîéòè?
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Ðûáàêîâû (Òâåðñêàÿ îáë.. Êàëÿçèíñêèé-ð-í), Ãðîáåð, Äðàáêèíû (Ñèáèðü, Áåëàðóñü), Ïîòûëèöûíû (Ñèáèðü), Ùåêîòîâû (Ñèáèðü)
Feroce

Âîðîíåæ
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Iv íàïèñàë:
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1. ß õî÷ó ïðîñëåäèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ è ïðåäêîâ ïî îòöó - òóò áîëåå ìåíåå ïîíÿòíî, Y-ÄÍÊ òåñò äëÿ ìåíÿ.
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Åñëè òîëüêî ïðÿìóþ ìóæñêóþ ëèíèþ, òî äà.

Iv íàïèñàë:
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2. ß õî÷ó ïðîñëåäèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ ïî îòöîâñêîé ëèíèè ìàòåðè (îòöà óæå íåò). Ïîäîéäåò ëè äëÿ ýòîãî ìòÄÍÊ äëÿ ìàòåðè?
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Íåò, ò.ê. ìòÄÍÊ ïåðåäàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïî ïðÿìîé æåíñêîé ëèíèè îò ìàòåðè ê å¸ äåòÿì. Îòåö ìàòåðè íå ïåðåäàë ñâîþ ìòÄÍÊ .

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3. ß õî÷ó ïðîñëåäèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ è ïðåäêîâ ïî ïðàäåäó ìàòåðè. (ò.å. ìàìèíà áàáêà, è å¸ îòåö è âûøå) - êàêîé òåñò äëÿ ýòîãî ìîæåò ïîäîéòè?
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Åñëè ïðàäåäà ìàòåðè èëè åãî äåòåé íåò óæå â æèâûõ, òî ïî íåìó âû íè÷åãî íå ïðîñëåäèòå, ò.ê. íàäî îòñëåæèâàòü ïî êîíêðåòíîìó ÷åëîâåêó èëè åãî äåòÿì, äàëüøå óæå òàêîé âèíåãðåò íà÷èíàåòñÿ, ÷òî ìíîãèå ñîâïàäåíèÿ ìîãóò îêàçàòüñÿ ëîæíûìè. Ïðèäåòñÿ òåñòèðîâàòü âñåõ ïðÿìûõ ïîòîìêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ èç áîêîâûõ ëèíèé ïî åãî ëèíèè, ÷òî áû âûóäèòü êîíêðåòíî åãî ñîâïàäåíöåâ.

ìòÄÍÊ ìàëîèíôîðìàòèâíûé, äîðîãîé è ïðàêòè÷åñêè áåñïîëåçíûé òåñò.
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IvanRybakov
Ó÷àñòíèê

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 68
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2005 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 19

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Iv íàïèñàë:
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2. ß õî÷ó ïðîñëåäèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ ïî îòöîâñêîé ëèíèè ìàòåðè (îòöà óæå íåò). Ïîäîéäåò ëè äëÿ ýòîãî ìòÄÍÊ äëÿ ìàòåðè?
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Íåò, ò.ê. ìòÄÍÊ ïåðåäàåòñÿ òîëüêî ïî ïðÿìîé æåíñêîé ëèíèè îò ìàòåðè ê å¸ äåòÿì. Îòåö ìàòåðè íå ïåðåäàë ñâîþ ìòÄÍÊ .

Iv íàïèñàë:
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3. ß õî÷ó ïðîñëåäèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ è ïðåäêîâ ïî ïðàäåäó ìàòåðè. (ò.å. ìàìèíà áàáêà, è å¸ îòåö è âûøå) - êàêîé òåñò äëÿ ýòîãî ìîæåò ïîäîéòè?
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Åñëè ïðàäåäà ìàòåðè èëè åãî äåòåé íåò óæå â æèâûõ, òî ïî íåìó âû íè÷åãî íå ïðîñëåäèòå, ò.ê. íàäî îòñëåæèâàòü ïî êîíêðåòíîìó ÷åëîâåêó èëè åãî äåòÿì, äàëüøå óæå òàêîé âèíåãðåò íà÷èíàåòñÿ, ÷òî ìíîãèå ñîâïàäåíèÿ ìîãóò îêàçàòüñÿ ëîæíûìè. Ïðèäåòñÿ òåñòèðîâàòü âñåõ ïðÿìûõ ïîòîìêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ èç áîêîâûõ ëèíèé ïî åãî ëèíèè, ÷òî áû âûóäèòü êîíêðåòíî åãî ñîâïàäåíöåâ.

ìòÄÍÊ ìàëîèíôîðìàòèâíûé, äîðîãîé è ïðàêòè÷åñêè áåñïîëåçíûé òåñò.
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Îáà ïóíêòà òîãäà, ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ìîæíî îáúåäèíèòü. Êàêîé òåñò ïîäîéäåò äëÿ ýòîãî - àóòîñîìíûé?
Ýòî æå îíî (îäíî è òî æå)?:
https://www.myheritage.com/dna/dna-matches/223527461?lang=RU
è
https://www.23andme.com/dna-ancestry/
è
https://www.familytreedna.com/products/family-finder

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Âîðîíåæ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 408
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 179

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Êàêîé òåñò ïîäîéäåò äëÿ ýòîãî - àóòîñîìíûé?
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Àóòîñîìíûé áüåò íà 5-6 ïîêîëåíèé â ãëóáèíó è øèðèíó ïî âñåì ëèíèÿì, ÷òî áû ðàçäåëèòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ, ïðèäåòñÿ êîãî-òî åù¸ òåñòèðîâàòü ïî ìàòåðèíñêîé è îòöîâñêèì ëèíÿì.
Y òîëüêî ïðÿìàÿ ìóæñêàÿ, óçíàåòå ñâîþ ãàïëîãðóïïó.


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Ýòî æå îíî (îäíî è òî æå)?:
https://www.myheritage.com/dna/dna-matches/223527461?lang=RU
è
https://www.23andme.com/dna-ancestry/
è
https://www.familytreedna.com/products/family-finder
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Ëàáîðàòîðèþ âûáèðàåòå ñàìè. Íî òî÷íî íå myheritage, ýòî ïîñðåäíèê. Âñ¸ òåñòû äåëàåò â FTDNA.

Çäåñü ïîïóëÿðíî, êàê è âî âñåé Ðîññèè, FTDNA.

23andme íå ðàáîòàåò ñ Ðîññèåé, ïðèäåòñÿ îòïðàâëÿòü è ïîëó÷àòü íàáîðû â äðóãîé ñòðàíå. Ïëþñ íåëüçÿ àïãðåéäèòü è î÷åíü óðåçàííûé Y.
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Óâàæàåìûå ñîðàòíèêè!
Ó çíàêîìîé æåíùèíû òàêàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ:
åå îòöà íåò â æèâûõ, ó íåãî íå èìåëîñü áðàòüåâ è ñåñòåð, èç ïîòîìñòâà - òîëüêî äâå äî÷åðè.
Äî÷åðè õîòÿò âûÿñíèòü ñâîþ ñåìåéíóþ ÄÍÊ-èñòîðèþ ïî ëèíèè îòöà.
ß ïðàâèëüíî ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ó÷èòûâàÿ èìåþùèåñÿ îáñòîÿòåëüñòâà (îòñóòñòâèå æèâûõ ìóæñêèõ ïðåäñòàâèòåëåé ðîäà), äàííàÿ çàäà÷à íåðåàëèçóåìà?
Feroce

Âîðîíåæ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 408
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 179

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äàííàÿ çàäà÷à íåðåàëèçóåìà?
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À òðîþðîäíûõ áðàòüåâ? èëè äàëüøå?
 òàêîì ñëó÷àå èç ãóìàííûõ ñïîñîáîâ íåò áîëüøå âàðèàíòîâ.
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Evgeny Kolchugin

Evgeny Kolchugin

Ìîñêîâñêàÿ îáë.
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1009
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1298

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ß ïðàâèëüíî ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ó÷èòûâàÿ èìåþùèåñÿ îáñòîÿòåëüñòâà (îòñóòñòâèå æèâûõ ìóæñêèõ ïðåäñòàâèòåëåé ðîäà), äàííàÿ çàäà÷à íåðåàëèçóåìà?
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Åñëè èçâåñòíûõ èëè ïîäîçðåâàåìûõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ ïî ìóæñêîé ëèíèè íå îñòàëîñü, òî åñëè òîëüêî êàêèì-òî õèòðîóìíûì ñïîñîáîì... Íàïðèìåð, ïðîàíàëèçèðîâàòü ñåñò¸ð è ìàìó, èñêëþ÷èòü ãåíåòè÷åñêèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ ïî ìàìèíîé ëèíèè, ïîïûòàòüñÿ óñòàíîâèòü êîíòàêò ñ âåðîÿòíûìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè ïî îòöîâñêîé, ïîäòâåðäèòü ñâÿçü äîêóìåíòàëüíî...Ïðè ñ÷àñòëèâîì ñòå÷åíèè îáñòîÿòåëüñòâ, ìîæåò, êòî-íèáóäü è íàéä¸òñÿ.
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Æèçíü êàæäîãî ÷åëîâåêà äîñòîéíà ðîìàíà. /Èðâèí Ïîëüñòåð/
Êîëü÷óãèíû è Äóäíèêîâû: ñ. Òåðíîâêà Ïåíçåíñêîãî ó. Ïåíçåíñêîé ãóá.
Ïðîøèíû è Ãðèøíîâû: Áóò÷èíñêàÿ âîë. Æèçäðèíñêîãî ó. Êàëóæñêîé ãóá.
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Âîðîíåæ
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Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 179
Åñëè ÿ ïðàâèëüíî ïîíÿë, òî èì íóæíà áûëà Y õðîìîñîìà è ãàïëîãðóïïà.
Åñëè âîîáùå âñå ëèíèè îòöà, òî äåéñòâèòåëüíî íàäî òåñòèðîâàòü âñåõ òðîèõ, è èñêëþ÷èâ èç ÄÍÊ ñåñò¸ð ìàòåðèíñêóþ ëèíóþ, ïîëó÷èòå ñîâïàäåíöåâ ïî îòöîâñêîé.
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ß âåðíî ïîíÿë? - Ìîÿ çíàêîìàÿ òåñòèðóåòñÿ ñàìà, òåñòèðóåò ñâîþ ñåñòðó è ìàòü, ïîñëå ÷åãî èç ðåçóëüòàòîâ òåñòèðîâàíèÿ èñêëþ÷àåò ðåçóëüòàòû ìàòåðè. Èòîã - â îñòàòêå ïðåäñòàâëåíû äàííûå ÄÍÊ-èñòîðèè åå îòöà.
Åñëè ýòî òàê, òî êàêîé âèä òåñòèðîâàíèÿ íåîáõîäèì?
P/S/ ïî ëèíèè îòöà âîîáùå íèêàêèõ çàöåïîê íåò - íè òðîþðîäíûõ, íè äâîþðîäíûõ.
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