Ñêîëüêî ïîêîëåíèé ïðåäêîâ Âû çíàåòå?

PedigreeResearcher íàïèñàë:

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Âû òîëüêî íà ôîðóìå çàðåãèñòðèðîâàëèñü â 2018 ãîäó, à ÿ ê ýòîìó âðåìåíè - óæå 10 ëåò êàê ñ íåãî óø¸ë.

Ýòî òàê. Äëÿ ñïðàâêè.

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Çäðàâñòâóéòå.Ñêàæèòå âû áûëè íà ôîðóìå ðàíüøå â 2010 ãîäó êàê äîëãî? Òåïåðü òî íàäîëãî ? È êàê íà âàø ñâåæèé âçãëÿä ôîðóì ñòàë èíòåðåñíåå?

PedigreeResearcher íàïèñàë:

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Ïðî óáåäèòåëüíî.
Ñòðàííî êîíå÷íî äîêàçûâàòü ñâîþ ïðàâîòó íå ïîíÿòíî êîìó. ×åëîâåêó íèêàê ñåáÿ åù¸ íå çàðåêîìåíäîâàâøåìó.

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Âû íå îáèæàéòåñü, íî äëÿ íàñ Âû ïîêà ÷òî òîæå íå Áîã âåñòü êàêîé àâòîðèòåò. Åñëè åñòü çàñëóãè èç "ïðîøëîé æèçíè" - îáçîâèòåñü êàê çâàëèñü, Ïóñòü ñòàðîæèëû ïîäòâåðäÿò Âàøó ëè÷íîñòü è îïûò
À ïîêà íå ïîäòâåðäèëè - Âû íè÷åì îò ïðî÷èõ íå îòëè÷àåòåñü.

È åñëè âûñòóïàåòå ñ íåêèìè óòâåðæäåíèÿìè îá îãðîìíîì ëè÷íîì äðåâå - íàäî ïîäòâåðæäàòü. Ìîæåò îíî è ïðàâäà âñå, äà òîëüêî íàóêà - âåùü êîíñåðâàòèâíàÿ, â íåé îäíèõ óòâåðæäåíèé ìàëî
Íóæíû ïðóôû

dobby íàïèñàë:

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. Âû æå â äðåâå îáîçíà÷àåòå èõ ãàïëîãðóïïû òàê, êàê áóäòî îíè ñàìè àíàëèçû ñäàâàëè.

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Äà ýòî ñèëüíî áðîñàåòñÿ â ãëàçà-âñ¸ ïîäìå÷åíî òî÷íî.
Êòî ïðîâ¸ë ýòèì äðåâíîñòÿì (ïðåäêàì)àíàëèçû òîæå íå ÿñíî.
Äà è òåìà îáîçíà÷åíà ñêîëüêî Âû ïîêîëåíèé ïðåäêîâ çíàåòå.
Èìååòñÿ â âèäó ëè÷íî Âû ,à íå òîò êîìó êîðîëåâà Øâåöèè 24 ïðàáàáóøêà.
ß íàïðèìåð óòâåðæäàþ è ìîãó äîêàçàòü ïî ññûëêàì íà èñòî÷íèê ,÷òî ó ìåíÿ îò ìîèõ âíóêîâ äî ñàìîãî äàëüíåãî èçâåñòíîãî ïðåäêà, ïîðÿäêà 20 ïîêîëåíèé.
Ïðè ýòîì ÿ âåçäå óòâåðæäàþ ÷òî âñå ëþäè áðàòüÿ è ñ¸ñòðû -è íå òîëüêî ÿ âïðî÷åì.
Íî äàæå çíàÿ ýòî, ÿ íå ìîãó âçÿòü ÷åëîâåêà èç ïðåäñòàâëåííûõ êàðòèíîê è ïðîñòî ïðèòÿíóòü ê ñåáå êàê ðîäíþ,ïîíèìàÿ ÷òî ýòî õîòü è âåðíî äå þðå íî íå âåðíî äå ôàêòî..

burlayfo íàïèñàë:

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Çäðàâñòâóéòå.Ñêàæèòå âû áûëè íà ôîðóìå ðàíüøå â 2010 ãîäó êàê äîëãî? Òåïåðü òî íàäîëãî ? È êàê íà âàø ñâåæèé âçãëÿä ôîðóì ñòàë èíòåðåñíåå?

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Î÷åíü ïðîñòî.
Ê 2008 ãîäó ÿ ðåøèë èñïîëüçîâàòü ïðèíöèï "ïàóêà â ïàóòèíå". Ãîâîðÿ èíà÷å, "ñàìè ïðèäóò , è ñàìè âñ¸ äàäóò". È îñíîâíîé èíòåðåñ áûë - ãåíåòè÷åñêàÿ ãåíåàëîãèÿ.

Ðàñêðóòèë ïîëóäîõëûé ôîðóì, íà êîòîðîì áûëî âñåãî äâà-òðè ó÷àñòíèêà è îäíî-äâà ñîîáùåíèÿ â íåäåëþ. Molgen.org, ìîæåò ñëûøàëè ïðî òàêîé?
Ñîçäàë òåìû, ñâîè òåìû, ïî ñâîèì ïðåäêàì. Êðåñòüÿíñêèì ïðåäêàì, ïðåèìóùåñòâåííî. Òåìû, êîòîðûå çàíÿëè ïåðâîå ìåñòî ïî ïîïóëÿðíîñòè. Ñ ïàðîé ìèëëèîíîâ ñóììàðíûõ ïðîñìîòðîâ.

À ñåé÷àñ ìîé êðåí - ãåíåàëîãèÿ äâîðÿíñòâà. Ãåíåàëîãèÿ äîêóìåíòàëüíàÿ.
Âîò è ïåðåïîëç íà ÂÃÄ.ðó (äëÿ ïîèñêîâ). È íà ÑÂÐÒ.ðó (äëÿ ïóáëèêàöèé, ôîðóì î÷åíü áûñòðî èíäåêñèðóåòñÿ).

Ôîðóì î÷åíü èíôîðìàòèâíûé. Çàðåêàëñÿ íè÷åãî íå ïèñàòü, òîëüêî ÷èòàòü. Çíàÿ, ÷òî êòî-òî îáëàåò. ×òî áîëòîâíÿ - íå åñòü õîðîøî. Íî ñëàá ÷åëîâåê. Ñîðâàëñÿ.

Âòîðîå. Äàâàéòå ñ÷èòàòü ïîêîëåííûå èíòåðâàëû.
Ìîæåò ëè áûòü íà 1000 ëåò 26 ïîêîëåíèé? Èëè 1000 / 26 = 38.46 ëåò íà ïîêîëåíèå?

Îòâåò: äà, êîíå÷íî ìîæåò. Åñëè ïîäðàçóìåâàåòñÿ, ÷òî ýòî ìàêñèìàëüíûé ïîêîëåííûé èíòåðâàë.

 ãåíåàëîãèè ïðèíÿò èíòåðâàë 3 ïîêîëåíèÿ íà âåê. Ò.å. 33.33 ãîäà íà ïîêîëåíèå.

Òàêîé æå èíòåðâàë ïîëó÷èëè ìîðìîíû. Îíè ñðàâíèâàëè ñîòíè òûñÿ÷ ïàð îòåö-ñûí. Áûëî ÷òî-òî âðîäå 32.4 ãîäà íà ïîêîëåíèå.

Òàêîé æå èíòåðâàë ïîëó÷èë è ÿ. Ýòè âûêëàäêè, ñïðèñóùåé ìíå ñêðîìíîñòüþ, òàê è íàçâàë "ïîêîëåííûå èíòåðâàëû Ãàâðèëîâà-Òåìîøà". Ãàâðèëîâ - ýòî ïðîãðàììèñò, ñîçäàâøèé ïðåêðàñíûé èíñòðóìåíò äëÿ ñòàòèñòè÷åñêîé îáðàáîòêè ðîäîñëîâèé. Òåìîø, ýòî ÿ, ñîáðàâøèé è îáðàáîòàâøèé ìàññèâ äàííûõ.

Ïîñëåäíèå âûêëàäêè âûãëÿäÿò òàê (èçâèíÿþñü, ÷òî íà ÿçûêå Øåêñïèðà):

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Statistics report
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Total persons: 36030
Males total: 19658
Females total: 16372

Pairs Father-Son total: 17013
among them with good dates (used in caluculations below): 11368
Pairs Father-Daughter total: 12241
among them with good dates (used in caluculations below): 10112
Pairs Mother-Son total: 13420
among them with good dates (used in caluculations below): 10418
Pairs Mother-Daughter total: 11952
among them with good dates (used in caluculations below): 9689


*** Generational interval ***

Mother-child:
Arithmetic mean: 28.73, Median: 28.00, Mode: 24
Absolute deviation: 5.90, Variance: 52.70, RMSD: 7.26, Standard deviation (unbiased): 7.26
Mother-daughter:
Arithmetic mean: 28.63, Median: 28.00, Mode: [24, 25]
Absolute deviation: 5.86, Variance: 51.88, RMSD: 7.20, Standard deviation (unbiased): 7.20
Father-child:
Arithmetic mean: 32.56, Median: 31.00, Mode: 27
Absolute deviation: 6.77, Variance: 71.24, RMSD: 8.44, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.44
Father-son:
Arithmetic mean: 32.60, Median: 31.00, Mode: 27
Absolute deviation: 6.78, Variance: 71.88, RMSD: 8.48, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.48
All:
Arithmetic mean: 30.71, Median: 30.00, Mode: 25
Absolute deviation: 6.51, Variance: 65.94, RMSD: 8.12, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.12

All, by centuries:
11:
Arithmetic mean: 29.38, Median: 28.00, Mode: 23
Absolute deviation: 6.91, Variance: 78.19, RMSD: 8.84, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.94
12:
Arithmetic mean: 34.19, Median: 31.50, Mode: [47, 24, 31]
Absolute deviation: 9.07, Variance: 106.69, RMSD: 10.33, Standard deviation (unbiased): 10.53
13:
Arithmetic mean: 28.70, Median: 27.50, Mode: [22, 23, 24, 29, 30]
Absolute deviation: 4.86, Variance: 37.61, RMSD: 6.13, Standard deviation (unbiased): 6.24
14:
Arithmetic mean: 27.65, Median: 26.00, Mode: [19, 20, 24, 26, 28, 31]
Absolute deviation: 5.78, Variance: 58.05, RMSD: 7.62, Standard deviation (unbiased): 7.79
15:
Arithmetic mean: 30.82, Median: 29.00, Mode: [32, 24, 25, 29]
Absolute deviation: 6.03, Variance: 52.03, RMSD: 7.21, Standard deviation (unbiased): 7.44
16:
Arithmetic mean: 31.03, Median: 29.50, Mode: [24, 27]
Absolute deviation: 7.04, Variance: 74.83, RMSD: 8.65, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.80
17:
Arithmetic mean: 31.96, Median: 30.00, Mode: 21
Absolute deviation: 8.74, Variance: 124.11, RMSD: 11.14, Standard deviation (unbiased): 11.17
18:
Arithmetic mean: 30.68, Median: 29.00, Mode: 24
Absolute deviation: 7.29, Variance: 89.46, RMSD: 9.46, Standard deviation (unbiased): 9.46
19:
Arithmetic mean: 30.75, Median: 30.00, Mode: 25
Absolute deviation: 6.50, Variance: 64.20, RMSD: 8.01, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.01
20:
Arithmetic mean: 30.61, Median: 30.00, Mode: 26
Absolute deviation: 6.06, Variance: 56.24, RMSD: 7.50, Standard deviation (unbiased): 7.50
21:
Arithmetic mean: 31.06, Median: 32.00, Mode: 37
Absolute deviation: 5.52, Variance: 43.67, RMSD: 6.61, Standard deviation (unbiased): 6.65

Father-son, by centuries:
11:
Arithmetic mean: 33.62, Median: 29.50, Mode: 23
Absolute deviation: 8.41, Variance: 87.73, RMSD: 9.37, Standard deviation (unbiased): 9.67
12:
Arithmetic mean: 37.00, Median: 39.00, Mode: [32, 34, 37, 39, 40, 42, 43, 45, 49, 20, 53, 22, 25]
Absolute deviation: 8.00, Variance: 94.62, RMSD: 9.73, Standard deviation (unbiased): 10.12
13:
Arithmetic mean: 29.23, Median: 27.00, Mode: [22, 24]
Absolute deviation: 5.65, Variance: 45.27, RMSD: 6.73, Standard deviation (unbiased): 6.89
14:
Arithmetic mean: 29.47, Median: 28.00, Mode: [24, 28]
Absolute deviation: 6.29, Variance: 66.52, RMSD: 8.16, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.44
15:
Arithmetic mean: 31.88, Median: 31.00, Mode: [32, 25]
Absolute deviation: 4.62, Variance: 35.11, RMSD: 5.93, Standard deviation (unbiased): 6.33
16:
Arithmetic mean: 32.29, Median: 31.00, Mode: [32, 21, 27]
Absolute deviation: 7.88, Variance: 90.97, RMSD: 9.54, Standard deviation (unbiased): 9.77
17:
Arithmetic mean: 32.13, Median: 30.50, Mode: 31
Absolute deviation: 8.14, Variance: 115.46, RMSD: 10.75, Standard deviation (unbiased): 10.80
18:
Arithmetic mean: 32.60, Median: 31.00, Mode: 30
Absolute deviation: 7.79, Variance: 102.72, RMSD: 10.14, Standard deviation (unbiased): 10.14
19:
Arithmetic mean: 32.73, Median: 32.00, Mode: 28
Absolute deviation: 6.69, Variance: 67.96, RMSD: 8.24, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.24
20:
Arithmetic mean: 32.32, Median: 31.00, Mode: 28
Absolute deviation: 6.25, Variance: 60.03, RMSD: 7.75, Standard deviation (unbiased): 7.75
21:
Arithmetic mean: 32.20, Median: 34.00, Mode: 36
Absolute deviation: 6.18, Variance: 52.32, RMSD: 7.23, Standard deviation (unbiased): 7.38

Mother-daughter, by centuries:
11:
Arithmetic mean: 26.40, Median: 29.00, Mode: 30
Absolute deviation: 3.92, Variance: 17.04, RMSD: 4.13, Standard deviation (unbiased): 4.62
12:
Arithmetic mean: 24.00, Median: 24.00, Mode: [21, 24, 27]
Absolute deviation: 2.00, Variance: 6.00, RMSD: 2.45, Standard deviation (unbiased): 3.00
13:
Arithmetic mean: 29.00, Median: 29.00, Mode: [28, 29, 30]
Absolute deviation: 0.67, Variance: 0.67, RMSD: 0.82, Standard deviation (unbiased): 1.00
14:
Arithmetic mean: 21.75, Median: 21.50, Mode: [18, 20, 23, 26]
Absolute deviation: 2.75, Variance: 9.19, RMSD: 3.03, Standard deviation (unbiased): 3.50
15:
Arithmetic mean: 24.40, Median: 24.00, Mode: 24
Absolute deviation: 2.88, Variance: 13.84, RMSD: 3.72, Standard deviation (unbiased): 4.16
16:
Arithmetic mean: 26.00, Median: 26.00, Mode: [25, 26, 27]
Absolute deviation: 0.67, Variance: 0.67, RMSD: 0.82, Standard deviation (unbiased): 1.00
17:
Arithmetic mean: 33.16, Median: 30.00, Mode: [25, 30]
Absolute deviation: 9.46, Variance: 118.69, RMSD: 10.89, Standard deviation (unbiased): 11.12
18:
Arithmetic mean: 28.42, Median: 27.00, Mode: 24
Absolute deviation: 6.38, Variance: 67.28, RMSD: 8.20, Standard deviation (unbiased): 8.21
19:
Arithmetic mean: 28.58, Median: 28.00, Mode: 24
Absolute deviation: 5.87, Variance: 51.07, RMSD: 7.15, Standard deviation (unbiased): 7.15
20:
Arithmetic mean: 28.80, Median: 28.00, Mode: 26
Absolute deviation: 5.60, Variance: 46.09, RMSD: 6.79, Standard deviation (unbiased): 6.79
21:
Arithmetic mean: 30.76, Median: 30.00, Mode: 26
Absolute deviation: 4.34, Variance: 26.65, RMSD: 5.16, Standard deviation (unbiased): 5.32