ÂÅÍÃÐÈß
✔ ÄÈÀËÎÃÎÂÀß òåìà (âîïðîñû/îòâåòû)
victoryÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 1644 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 952 | Ââåðõ #10 àâãóñòà 2003 18:44 ÂÅÍÃÐÈß -  ïåðèîä ñ 1989 ïî 2011 ãîäû ñòðàíà îôèöèàëüíî íàçûâàëàñü Âåíãåðñêàÿ Ðåñïóáëèêà (Magyar Köztársaság), íî ñ 1-ãî ÿíâàðÿ 2012 ãîäà âñòóïèëà â ñèëó íîâàÿ êîíñòèòóöèÿ Âåíãðèè, êîòîðàÿ îôèöèàëüíî óòâåðäèëà ñîêðàù¸ííîå íàèìåíîâàíèå — Âåíãðèÿ (Magyarország). Ñòîëèöà — Áóäàïåøò. Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé ÿçûê — âåíãåðñêèé.
 --- Âèêòîðèÿ Èùó Áàá÷åíêî èç Þðêîâêè, Òåëèæåíêî èç Çâåíèãîðîäêè, ëàòûøåé Øèöñ, êàçàêîâ Âåðõîâöåâûõ, Êðûìîâûõ Òàìáîâñêîé ãóáåðíèè, Çàéêîâûõ Øàäðèíñêîãî óåçäà.
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| Michael Nagel Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1308 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4660 | Ââåðõ #20 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 11:32 20 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 11:33 | | |
| Inna73 Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 165 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 151 | Ââåðõ #20 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 11:42 Ñïàñèáî. ---
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| ujcim77 Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 242 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 138 | Ââåðõ #22 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 22:34 Michael Nagel íàïèñàë: [q] Ìîæåò ÷èòàòüñÿ äâîÿêî: êàê Õóäå÷ èëè êàê Õóäåö. Âåíãðû, äóìàþ, ïðîèçíîñÿò Õóäåö, à ÷åõè-Õóäå÷.[/q] Michael Nagel - Âû ñîâåðøåííî ïðàâû, ïî-âåíãåðñêè ÷èòàåòñÿ "Õóäåö", òàê êàê â ñòàðîé âåíãåðñêîé îðôîãðàôèè "cz" îáîçíà÷àëî "ö" (äî 1922 ãîäà).  íåêîòîðûõ âåíãåðñêèõ ôàìèëèÿõ, ñîõðàíÿþùèõ òðàäèöèîííîå íàïèñàíèå, è ñåé÷àñ ïèøåòñÿ "cz" (íàïð. Makovecz), à íå áóêâà "c", â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ îáîçíà÷àþùàÿ çâóê "ö". | | |
| Michael Nagel Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1308 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4660 | Ââåðõ #23 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 1:11 ujcim77 íàïèñàë: [q] [/q]
Ñïàñèáî. | | |
| Inna73 Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 165 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 151 | Ââåðõ #23 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 13:46 ujcim77 íàïèñàë: [q] [/q]
Ñïàñèáî ---
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| ujcim77 Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 242 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 138 | Ââåðõ #24 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 20:44 24 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 20:49 Ðàäè ñïðàâåäëèâîñòè íåîáõîäèìäî ñêàçàòü, ÷òî â ñðåäíèå âåêà, äà è ïîçäíåå, ïðàêòè÷åñêè âïëîòü äî ÕIÕ â., ïîêà îðôîãðàôèÿ íå óñòîÿëàñü, ñóùåñòâîâàëè âàðèàíòû ÷òåíèÿ "cz", â òîì ÷èñëå è "ö", è "÷". Ñ ÕIÕ â. íàèáîëåå ðàñïðîñòðàíåííûì ñòàëî ÷òåíèå "cz" êàê "ö". Èñòîðèþ èñïîëüçîâàíèÿ è ðàçëè÷íûå âàðèàíòû íàïèñàíèÿ è òðàíñêðèïöèè ïðèâîäèò âåíãåðñêàÿ Âèêèïåäèÿ: https://hu.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cz_(digr%C3%A1f)Ïîïûòêè èñïîëüçîâàòü áóêâó "ñ" äëÿ çâóêà "ö" áûëè óæå â ÕIÕ â., îäíàêî îôèöèàëüíî ïðèçíàëè òàêîå íàïèñàíèå òîëüêî â ÕÕ â. | | |
adroffÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 1787 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1048 | Ââåðõ #24 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 22:20 24 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 22:21 Michael Nagel íàïèñàë: [q] RCath. Kis-Bobrocz[/q]
RCath-Ki r. Römisch-Catholische Kirche --- Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ ïî ñëåäóþùèì ôàìèëèÿì:
ßêóøå(o)â, Ìàçóíèí = Ïåðìñêèé êðàé
Àäðîâ = Ìåëèòîïîëü, Îðëîâñêàÿ, ×åëÿáèíñêàÿ è Òþìåíñêàÿ îáëàñòè, Õàðáèí
Ñîëîâüåâû, Íîâèêîâû = Îðëîâñêàÿ îáë. | | |
| Michael Nagel Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1308 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4660 | Ââåðõ #25 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 3:25 25 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 15:18 adroff íàïèñàë: [q] RCath-Kir. Römisch-Catholische Kirche[/q]
Äóìàþ, òàì íàïèñàíî íà ëàòûíè: pleb. RCath. Kis-Bobrocz pleb. = plebanatus/plebanus - ïðèõîä/ïðèõîäñêèé ñâÿùåííèê RCath.= Romano Catholicus- ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêèé Kis-Bobrócz - ýòî íàçâàíèå íàñåëåííîãî ïóíêòà Èñòî÷íèê: Geographisch-statistisches Wörterbuch des österreichischen Kaiserstaates, Âåíà, 1809 ãîä, ñòð.44: 1) Kis-Bobrócz, slav. Maly Bobrowecz  ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ñëîâà Kirche â ýòîé çàïèñè íåò. | | |
| Skoumi Ó÷àñòíèê
Budapest, Hungary / Áóäàïåøò, Âåíãðèÿ Ñîîáùåíèé: 86 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 58 | Ââåðõ #27 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 17:05 Michael Nagel íàïèñàë: [q] Äóìàþ, òàì íàïèñàíî íà ëàòûíè: pleb. RCath. Kis-Bobrocz pleb. = plebanatus/plebanus - ïðèõîä/ïðèõîäñêèé ñâÿùåííèê RCath.= Romano Catholicus- ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêèé Kis-Bobrócz - ýòî íàçâàíèå íàñåëåííîãî ïóíêòà Èñòî÷íèê: Geographisch-statistisches Wörterbuch des österreichischen Kaiserstaates, Âåíà, 1809 ãîä, ñòð.44: 1) Kis-Bobrócz, slav. Maly Bobrowecz  ëþáîì ñëó÷àå, ñëîâà Kirche â ýòîé çàïèñè íåò. [/q]
çäåñü pleb. = plébánia = ïðèõîä Kis-Bobrócz ñåãîäíÿ = Bobrovček, Ñëîâàêèÿ adroff íå áûëî ïîëíîñòüþ ëîæíûì. Ñëîâî plébánia ìîæåò áûòü ïîíÿòî òàêæå äëÿ öåðêâè (ïî-âåíãåðñêèé: egyház, ïî-íåìåöêèé: Kirche, ïî-àíãëèéñêèé: church, ïî-ëàòèíñêèé: ecclesia), â åæåäíåâíûõ áåñåäàõ. Êñòàòè, íà âåíãåðñêîì ÿçûêå äëÿ öåðêâè åñòü äâà ñëîâà - egyház è templom - ñíà÷àëà äëÿ îðãàíèçàöèè, âòîðàÿ äëÿ çäàíèÿ. --- Ñ óâàæåíèåì:
Êðèñòèàí - Âåíãðèÿ
(ß ãîâîðþ ïî-íåìåöêè, ïî-aíãëèéñêè è ïî-âåíãåðñêè; äëÿ äëèííûõ ðóññêèõ òåêñòîâ ÿ èñïîëüçóþ Google Translate)
https://www.skoumal.eu/EN/professional.html
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| Michael Nagel Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1308 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2017 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4660 | Ââåðõ #27 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 21:32 27 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 21:32 Skoumi íàïèñàë: [q] [/q]
Òîãäà íóæíî áûòü ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíûì. Èëè âñå íàïèñàíî ïî-âåíãåðñêè, èëè âñå - íà íåìåöêîì. Êñòàòè, ó ìåíÿ â ïåðâîíà÷àëüíîì âàðèàíòå, äî òîãî, êàê ÿ åãî îòðåäàêòèðîâàë, òîæå áûëî óêàçàíî, ÷òî çàïèñü íà âåíãåðñêîì ÿçûêå. Ñìóòèëî ìåíÿ òî, ÷òî êàòîëè÷åñêèé íàïèñàíî ÷åðåç "Ñ" è ñ áóêâîé "h", òî åñòü íå òàê, êàê ñåé÷àñ, ïîýòîìó èñïðàâèë íà ëàòûíü. "Ïðèõîä" ïî íåìåöêè - Kirchspiel. | | |
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ÀÒÄ Âåíãðèè -
Ïîäðàçäåëÿåòñÿ íà 20 àäìèíèñòðàòèâíî-òåððèòîðèàëüíûõ åäèíèö, 19 èç êîòîðûõ — ìåäüå, è 1 — ãîðîä ðåñïóáëèêàíñêîãî ïîä÷èíåíèÿ, ïðèðàâíåííûé ê ìåäüå. Ìåäüå äåëÿòñÿ íà ÿðàøè, ÿðàøè — íà ãîðîäà è îáùèíû, ñòîëèöà äåëèòñÿ íà ðàéîíû.
Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî îòäåëüíûì íàñåëåííûì ìåñòàì è ñâîèì ëè÷íûì ïîèñêàì îòêðûâàéòå òåìû â ôàìèëüíûõ èëè äíåâíèêîâûõ ðàçäåëàõ. Ñïèñîê íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò ïî ñòðàíå îãðîìåí è æåëàþùèõ îòêðûòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òåìû ìíîãî. Äîïóñêàåòñÿ ðàçáèâêà òåì íà ÿðàøè, ãîðîäà, ðàéîíû. Ïðîñüáà - ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîé ñõåìû.