Martinoff (Мартынов)
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27 января 2012 16:47 Correction....they elected him Bishop of Wilno around 1880 ____________________________________________________ in 1874 Univ. Dorpat claims that he was a member of the Maltese Order! here his transfer from Dorpat in 1874! http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1305/1amartinoff9.jpgthis is about Archbishop Fialkowski in 1872 sorry the original text is in Italian! """"""3. L'avvenimento più recente e più importante per noi cattolici è la solenne installazione del nuovo Metropolita di tutte le Chiese cattoliche romane dell' Impero Russo, S. E. Revma Mgr A. Fialkowski, Arcivescovo di Mohilew. La solenne funzione ebbe luogo nella Chiesa cattolica romana maltese di S. Giovanni di Gerusalemme, la quale trovasi entro il grandioso rdilizio del corpo de'Paggi Imperiali. Uno dei quattro Vescovi, qui presenti, .....con tutti gli ecclesiastici della Chiesa maltese,.......... salutava il Metropolita e gli fece una specie di relazione delle condizioni presenti della Chiesa cattolica in Russia. 1 vostri lettori saranno però non poco sorpresi d' udire, che tale atto venne effettuato non in lingua russa, ma sibbene in lingua francese."""""""" | | |
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27 января 2012 18:23 F. MartinoffF. Martinoff написал: [q] Correct, he was a Cathedral Canon, Prelate and possibly more since the color of his Soutane (in the oldest picture from 1902) is other than black![/q]
F. Martinoff написал: [q] in 1874 Univ. Dorpat claims that he was a member of the Maltese Order![/q]
In this case, you are probably right: it really can be the order of a Maltese cross. But he hardly Russian origin. Awarding the Order of St. John of Jerusalem were discontinued in 1810, and after 1817 the heirs of deceased knights were forbidden to wear their crosses. Perhaps this is "The Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem" - a similar award of British monarchs. As for the arms, I only have their descriptions of the "Collection of Highly approved diploma arms" in Russian. I think tomorrow I'll be able to provide you with my images of those coats of arms. Always glad to help! | | |
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27 января 2012 19:12 I had considered England as well, .... until we received the information from the Corps des Pages, that: """All hand written (catholic) documents (from this church) were taken by a "french" Priest, during a nightly action to France, somewhere around late 1920's - to early 1930's! """ Would love to know where they are now!  | | |
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28 января 2012 16:24 28 января 2012 16:24 F. MartinoffTwo arms of Martynov, as I promised. 1. Alexei Martynov, Colonel (granted 1846.11.15)
[ Изображение на стороннем сайте: e065053af633t.jpg ] " Щит поделен горизонтально. Вверху в красном поле половина встающего грифа с изогнутым мечом в лапе. Внизу в зеленом поле золотой пернач вертикально, за ним накрест сабля острием вниз и пика, острием вверх. Над щитом дворянский коронованный шлем с тремя страусовыми перьями. Намёт зеленый, подложен золотом."
2. Descendants of Alexei Martynov, Collegiate Councilor (granted 1863.03.29)
[ Изображение на стороннем сайте: a6a50f99e8aat.jpg ] " В голубом поле серебряный лебедь вправо с красными глазами, языком, золотым клювом и лапами, окружен девятью пятиконечными звездами. Над щитом дворянский коронованный шлем. Нашлемник серебряный лебедь вправо с красными глазами и языком, золотым клювом и лапами. Намёт справа голубой с серебром, слева голубой с золотом." | | |
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28 января 2012 19:13 Thank you, they are very very interesting, both of them look like subversions of Baltic-??? Swedish Arms, especially the first looks similar to the Maerten-Märten Arms, which goes back to a Johann Märten 1713! Uploaded with ImageShack.us I know there is also a similar one to the second one, also belonging to a Maerten, Merten, Martini Family......just can't find it again! I believe that they are both "Canting Arms"! Thank you, ......very interesting!!!!!!!! Frank  | | |
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28 января 2012 19:36 BUT...I was hoping to find the Arms from A. Martinoff at the Corps des Pages, this might have led me to our origin, but sadly the documents are somewhere??? in France!?  | | |
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28 января 2012 19:37 BUT...I was hoping to find the Arms from A. Martinoff at the Corps des Pages, this might have led me to our origin, but sadly the documents are somewhere??? in France!? | | |
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28 января 2012 21:02 F. MartinoffI would not argue that these arms are similar to the Swedish or the Baltic. They are consistent with the traditions of "chancellery's" (канцелярской) heraldry of the Russian Empire of the 19th century. The first CoA is really kind of similar to the arms of Märten (is it possible that Martynovs and Märtens - relatives ???), but neither this nor the other is "canting". F. Martinoff написал: [q] BUT...I was hoping to find the Arms from A. Martinoff at the Corps des Pages,
this might have led me to our origin,
but sadly the documents are somewhere??? in France!?[/q]
If you know his genealogy, and he came from a noble family, the possibility exists to find his arms. Where does his family? From what area? | | |
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28 января 2012 22:56 His family (my family ) is from Riga, I am stuck in the year around 1705 ! ___________________________________________________ Canting arms are heraldic bearings that represent the bearer's name in a visual pun or rebus. In many Martin, Marten, Martini, Maertens Arms you find a white goose, bird, swan, Pelikan etc. all hinting to St. Martin, also known as Martin of Tours! | | |
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28 января 2012 23:16 F. MartinoffF. Martinoff написал: [q] His family (my family ) is from Riga,
I am stuck in the year around 1705 ![/q]
But the etymology (origin) of surnames obviously Russian. Or surname was russificated (converted into Russian)? Were your ancestors recorded in Noble Genealogical Books ( Дворянские Родословные книги) of Baltic provinces or other provinces? F. Martinoff написал: [q] In many Martin, Marten, Martini, Maertens Arms you find a white goose, bird, swan, Pelikan etc. all hinting to St. Martin, also known as Martin of Tours![/q]
Many experts believe that " canting" can be called only one CoA, figures of which clearly indicate the surname. For example, a lion in the arms of Lvov or eagle in the arms of Orlov etc.  | | |
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