Martinoff (Мартынов)
F. Martinoff Сообщений: 247 На сайте с 2006 г. Рейтинг: 15 | Наверх ##
26 января 2012 20:40 Дорогой (kbg_dnepr), спасибо за помощь, но я не могу найти Св. Владимира к 5 жемчугу или 5 алмазам в концах креста! Я не могу найти российскую Премию, которая смотрит близко или подобный этому! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear (kbg_dnepr), thank you for helping, but I can't find any St. Vladimir with 5 pearls or 5 diamonds at the ends of the cross! I can't find any Russian Award which looks close or similar to this! 
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26 января 2012 20:44 и премия??? в воротнике выглядит подобным мальтийской Премии а не знакам отличия школы! and the award??? at the collar looks similar to the Maltese Award and not the insignia of the school! | | |
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26 января 2012 21:58 Dear Martinoff! In my opinion (taking into account the quality of the photo), the reward on the chest of the man is hanging on a ribbon. In the Russian Empire, almost all of the orders of the second and third grade were wearing like this. Object really looks like a Maltese cross ("the tail of a swallow"), but also like a regular "expanding" cross. Signs of the order were often decorated with diamonds by laureates themselves. Another version: this is the Order of St. Anne. http://www.sobiratel.net/zaslu...I-1820.jpg, http://www.sobiratel.net/zaslu...I-1835.jpg. (Sorry for my English  ) | | |
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27 января 2012 5:53 Dear "SVKM de L", Thank you for the links and I apologize that I have to ask a possibly silly question! The example you gave, in the two links, do make sense, but if you believe that in my picture the depicted award is the St. Vladimir Order, shouldn't there be red jewels just like in your example! But the stones are all white, the closest would be the St. George Order, ...but the St. George was solely a military award, .....and possibly unfitting for a Head Priest of the Maltese Chapel of St. John ............or maybe I am wrong? Please forgive me my ignorance, and thank you for helping me with this! With my best regards, Frank | | |
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27 января 2012 15:38 F. MartinoffIf I understood you correctly, this man was a priest??? A Catholic priest???  P.S. I found your old message with a question about the Martynov' coat of arms. You have not found it, as I understand. I have information about another 2 arms: Alexei Martynov, Colonel (granted 1846.11.15) and descendants of Alexei Martynov, Collegiate Councilor (granted 1863.03.29). If you are interested - let me know. With my best regards, SVKM de L. | | |
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27 января 2012 16:25 Correct, he was a Cathedral Canon, Prelate and possibly more since the color of his Soutane (in the oldest picture from 1902) is other than black! Later suggested as the next bishop of Wilno! Next to teaching at the Corps de Pages he also was head of the Church/Chapel of St. John of Jerusalem! http://www.encspb.ru/ru/article.php?kod=2804677891------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course I am always very interested to see the Arms of other Martynovs, there must be at least four to five different once! and thank you for helping! http://www.ruscadet.ru/muzeum/mhkk/mikkr.htmUploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us | | |
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27 января 2012 16:47 Correction....they elected him Bishop of Wilno around 1880 ____________________________________________________ in 1874 Univ. Dorpat claims that he was a member of the Maltese Order! here his transfer from Dorpat in 1874! http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1305/1amartinoff9.jpgthis is about Archbishop Fialkowski in 1872 sorry the original text is in Italian! """"""3. L'avvenimento più recente e più importante per noi cattolici è la solenne installazione del nuovo Metropolita di tutte le Chiese cattoliche romane dell' Impero Russo, S. E. Revma Mgr A. Fialkowski, Arcivescovo di Mohilew. La solenne funzione ebbe luogo nella Chiesa cattolica romana maltese di S. Giovanni di Gerusalemme, la quale trovasi entro il grandioso rdilizio del corpo de'Paggi Imperiali. Uno dei quattro Vescovi, qui presenti, .....con tutti gli ecclesiastici della Chiesa maltese,.......... salutava il Metropolita e gli fece una specie di relazione delle condizioni presenti della Chiesa cattolica in Russia. 1 vostri lettori saranno però non poco sorpresi d' udire, che tale atto venne effettuato non in lingua russa, ma sibbene in lingua francese."""""""" | | |
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27 января 2012 18:23 F. MartinoffF. Martinoff написал: [q] Correct, he was a Cathedral Canon, Prelate and possibly more since the color of his Soutane (in the oldest picture from 1902) is other than black![/q]
F. Martinoff написал: [q] in 1874 Univ. Dorpat claims that he was a member of the Maltese Order![/q]
In this case, you are probably right: it really can be the order of a Maltese cross. But he hardly Russian origin. Awarding the Order of St. John of Jerusalem were discontinued in 1810, and after 1817 the heirs of deceased knights were forbidden to wear their crosses. Perhaps this is "The Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem" - a similar award of British monarchs. As for the arms, I only have their descriptions of the "Collection of Highly approved diploma arms" in Russian. I think tomorrow I'll be able to provide you with my images of those coats of arms. Always glad to help! | | |
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27 января 2012 19:12 I had considered England as well, .... until we received the information from the Corps des Pages, that: """All hand written (catholic) documents (from this church) were taken by a "french" Priest, during a nightly action to France, somewhere around late 1920's - to early 1930's! """ Would love to know where they are now! | | |
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28 января 2012 16:24 28 января 2012 16:24 F. MartinoffTwo arms of Martynov, as I promised. 1. Alexei Martynov, Colonel (granted 1846.11.15)
[ Изображение на стороннем сайте: e065053af633t.jpg ] " Щит поделен горизонтально. Вверху в красном поле половина встающего грифа с изогнутым мечом в лапе. Внизу в зеленом поле золотой пернач вертикально, за ним накрест сабля острием вниз и пика, острием вверх. Над щитом дворянский коронованный шлем с тремя страусовыми перьями. Намёт зеленый, подложен золотом."
2. Descendants of Alexei Martynov, Collegiate Councilor (granted 1863.03.29)
[ Изображение на стороннем сайте: a6a50f99e8aat.jpg ] " В голубом поле серебряный лебедь вправо с красными глазами, языком, золотым клювом и лапами, окружен девятью пятиконечными звездами. Над щитом дворянский коронованный шлем. Нашлемник серебряный лебедь вправо с красными глазами и языком, золотым клювом и лапами. Намёт справа голубой с серебром, слева голубой с золотом." | | |
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спасибо, но я не могу найти Владимира с 5 жемчужинами или 5 бриллиантами на концах креста!
Я не могу найти никакого русского ордена, похожего на этот!