Kiselev - Kisseloff
Òåêñò â îðèãèíàëå îò Êèñåëåâà èç Àìåðèêè. Ïîèñê ðîäòñâåííèêîâ ïðîæèâàâøèõ â ñ. Ãîëîâèíî, Ìîñêâà äî 1879 ãîäà.
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19 èþëÿ 2008 3:00 Here's my lineage using information obtained from records held at the Yerevan archives.
1. Maxim Kiselev (died before 1860) married to Uliana (born 1792, died after 1860) 2. Mr. & Mrs. Kiselev (no government records located with their names) 3. Mikhail Kiselev (born 1842) and Maria 4. Vasilii Mikhailovich Kiselev (born 1883) and Stepanida Urin 5. William Kisseloff (my grandfather born in USA) 6. William Kisseloff (my father born in USA)
From what I understand, the Kiselevs originated in Moscow and were exiled to Southern Russia. This is what the Moscow historian wrote:
Here is a brief report about the information which we have discovered during archival research in Yerevan.
In 1860, the following Kiselev family resided in the village of Golovino:
Yevdokim Kissilev, 48 years old His wife Matrena (40) Their sons: Ivan, 13 Ilya, 11
Yevdokim's brother Fenogen, 38 His wife Lukeria, 30 Sons: Ivan, 4 Dmitriy, 4 Daughter Maria, 5 months
Yevdokim's nephew, Mikhail, 18 (Mikhail is my great, great grandfather) His sister, Fedosia, 12
Yevdokim's mother, Uliana, 68
Another family: Terentiy Kiselev, 1/2 y.o. Agafia, 12 Their mother Avdotia, 48
In 1879, the Kiselevs: Mikhail, Yevdokim, Finagen with their families (together with 64 other protestants, including 12 families of Golovino) moved further south to Kars region. Originally the state paid for new houses in the village of Bolshaya Tykma, Takhtin district. However, the settlers found the land impossible to live on and they decided to stay in the village of Chauario Maidanchik. Eventually, they founded their new homes in Novo-Petrovka. In 1904, the protestants of this region started the move for resettlement to America.
I also have a copy of the ship's manifest (obtained from Ellis Island records) documenting my great, great grandparent's and great grandparent's arrival in New York City on the USS Abraham Lincoln in 1912. I have no expectations, but I really appreciated the willingness to help! Kind regards, Bill
PS ïåðåâîä áóäåò â ìîåì ñëåäóþùåì ñîîáùåíèè. Betti --- Óêðàèíà, Êðûì: Ðóäíèöêèé, Ìîíàñòûðñêèé, Êàñüÿí, Èëüíèöêèé, ßñòðåìñêèé, Äåì÷åíêî, Øàóëüñêèé, Çèáíèöêèé, Îñòðîâñêèé, Æóêîâñêèé, Êîâàë, Êîâàëåíêî, Ñîðîêà, Ñûëêà, Ãëåáîâ | | |
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19 èþëÿ 2008 10:31 --- Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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19 èþëÿ 2008 10:42 Êàìåííûé ñîáîðíûé õðàì Æèâîíà÷àëüíîé Òðîèöû ñ äâóìÿ ïðèäåëàìè - Ìàðèè Ìàãäàëèíû è ×åðíèãîâñêîé Áîæèåé Ìàòåðè - ïîñòðîèë â 1887 ã. âîëîãîäñêèé êóïåö Ì.Í. Êèñåëåâ â ïàìÿòü óìåðøåé æåíû, è îí æå íà ñâîè äåíüãè ñíàáäèë åãî âñåì íåîáõîäèìûì. http://refhist.ru/history/hist...4/1.3.html --- Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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19 èþëÿ 2008 12:54 19 èþëÿ 2008 12:55 TatianaLGNN
Ó ìåíÿ íèêàêîé äîïîëíèòåëüíîé èíôîðìàöèè íåò. Ñ ñàìèì ãîñïîäèíîì Êèñåëåâûì èç Àìåðèêè ÿ îáùàþñü ÷åðåç 3-å ëèöî, ÷åðåç åãî êóçåíà. ß òîëêóñü íà àíãëèéñêîì ôîðóìå â ïîèñêàõ èíôîðì. î ïðåäêàõ ìîåãî ìóæà è òàì, óçíàâ, ÷òî ÿ ðóññêàÿ, ïîïðîñèëè ïîìî÷ü.
Ñåé÷àñ äîïåðåâåäó êàê ñìîãó âåñü òåêñò íà ðóññêèé, ìîæåò êòî èç íàøèõ Êèñåëåâûõ è îòêëèêíåòñÿ.
Ñ ãåîãðàôèåé òóãî ðàçîáðàòüñÿ ò.ê. íå çíàþ ÿ òåõ ìåñò. Âîò, ê ïðèìåðó Chauario Maidanchik â 1-îì ñëîâå ÿâíî îïå÷àòêà.... èëè Kars region - ÷òî ýòî çà "çâåðü" òàêîé?
Ñïàñèáî Âàì çà ó÷àñòèå, --- Óêðàèíà, Êðûì: Ðóäíèöêèé, Ìîíàñòûðñêèé, Êàñüÿí, Èëüíèöêèé, ßñòðåìñêèé, Äåì÷åíêî, Øàóëüñêèé, Çèáíèöêèé, Îñòðîâñêèé, Æóêîâñêèé, Êîâàë, Êîâàëåíêî, Ñîðîêà, Ñûëêà, Ãëåáîâ | | |
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19 èþëÿ 2008 13:00 Betti Äà óæ Ýòî òî÷íî. Íî ðàç íàïèñàíî Ãîëîâèíî Ìîñêâà, ýòî ñêîðåå âñåãî îíî. ß áû íà Âàøåì ìåñòå ïåðåñëàëà èì ññûëêó íà ýòî.Ïóñòü ó ñåáÿ èùóò ïåðâîä÷èêà. À âîîáùå Ëåíà èç Êàëèôîðíèè îòêðûëà ñâîå áþðî ïî ïîìîùè ýòíè÷åñêèì ðóññêèì â âîññòàíîâëåíèè ðîäîñëîâíîé. Êñòàòè ìíå ïîíðàâèëñÿ ñàéò â Áðèòàíèè ïîäîáíûé àìåðèêàíñêîìó.Íàì ïðèñëàëè íà íåãî ññûëêó. àììíîãî ÷åãî åñòü. òîëüêî äåíüãè áîëüøèå 40 ôóíòîâ â ãîä --- Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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19 èþëÿ 2008 13:02 Betti Íàñ÷åò ìàéäàí÷èêà, ìîæåò ê Ðóáåíó îáðàòèòüñÿ, ðàç â Åðåâàíå íàøëè òàêèå ñâåäåíèÿ. Ìîæåò îí ÷òî ïîäñêàæåò --- Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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19 èþëÿ 2008 13:04 Betti À íàñ÷åò Ãîëîâèíî, íàäî ïîïðîñèòü êîãî-òî â ÖÈÀÌå ïîñìîòðåòü îïèñè íà ðåâèçêè íà ýòî ñåëî. ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó îíî áûëî ìàëåíüêèì. Èíòåðñíî, à ÷òî çà ïðîòåñòàíòû ìîãëè áûòü â Ðîññèè â 60-ûå ãîäû.Âîò óæïîèñòèíå íå çíàåìì èñòîðèþ --- Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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19 èþëÿ 2008 13:42ÏÅÐÅÂÎÄ Î ìî¸ì ïðîèñõîæäåíèè, èñïîëüçóÿ èíôîðìàöèþ èç îò÷åòîâ, ïðîâåäåííûõ â Åðåâàíñêèõ àðõèâàõ.
1. Ìàêñèì Êèñåëåâ (óìåð äî 1860) æåíèëñÿ íà Óëüÿíå (ðîæäåííîé 1792, óìåðøåé ïîñëå 1860), 2. Êèñåëåâ/Êèñåëåâà (íèãäå â îò÷åòàõ íå óïîìèíàþòñÿ) 3. Ìèõàèë Êèñåëåâ (ðîæäåííûé 1842) è Ìàðèÿ 4. Âàñèëèé Ìèõàéëîâè÷ Êèñåëåâ (ðîæäåííûé 1883) è Ñòåïàíèäà Óðèíà (?)/Þðüèíà (?) 5. William Kisseloff (ìîé äåäóøêà, ðîæäåííûé â ÑØÀ) 6. William Kisseloff (ìîé îòåö, ðîæäåííûé â ÑØÀ)
Èç òîãî, ÷òî ÿ ïîíÿë, Êèñåëåâû, ,áûëè óðîæåíöàìè Ìîñêâû è áûëè ñîñëàíû â Þæíóþ Ðîññèþ.
Ýòî - òî, ÷òî íàïèñàë ìíå Ìîñêîâñêèé èñòîðèê:
Âîò - êðàòêîå ñîîáùåíèå îá èíôîðìàöèè, êîòîðóþ ìû îáíàðóæèëè â õîäå àðõèâíîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ â Åðåâàíå.
 1860, ñëåäóþùèå ñåìüè Êèñåëåâûõ ïðîæèâàëà â äåðåâíå Ãîëîâèíî:
Åâäîêèì Êèñåëåâ, 48 ëåò Åãî æåíà Ìàòðåíà (40) Èõ ñûíîâüÿ: Èâàí, 13 Èëüÿ, 11
Áðàò Åâäîêèìà Ôèíîãåí, 38 Åãî æåíà Ëóêåðüÿ, 30 Ñûíîâüÿ: Èâàí, 4 Äìèòðèé, 4 Äî÷ü Ìàðèÿ, 5 ìåñÿöåâ
Ïëåìÿííèê Åâäîêèìà, Ìèõàèë, 18 (Ìèõàèë - ìîé ïðàïðàäåä), Åãî ñåñòðà, Ôåäîñèÿ, 12
Ìàòü Åâäîêèìà, Óëüÿíà, 68
Äðóãàÿ ñåìüÿ: Òåðåíòèé Êèñåëåâ, 1/2 ëåò. Àãàôüÿ, 12 Èõ ìàòü Àâäîòüÿ, 48
 1879, Êèñåë¸âû: Ìèõàèë, Åâäîêèì, Ôèíîãåí ñ èõ ñåìüÿìè (âìåñòå ñ 64 äðóãèìè ïðîòåñòàíòàìè, âêëþ÷àÿ 12 ñåìåé äåðåâíè Ãîëîâèíî) ïåðåìåñòèëèñü åùå äàëüøå íà Þã â îáëàñòü ã. Êàðñ (*1). Ïåðâîíà÷àëüíî ãîñóäàðñòâî çàïëàòèëî çà íîâûå çäàíèÿ â äåðåâíå Áîëüøàÿ Òûêìà, Òàõòèíñêîãî ðàéîíà (Betti: íå óâåðåíà â ïðàâèëüíîñòè ïåðåâîäà íàçâàíèÿ äåðåâíè è ðàéîíà). Îäíàêî, ïîñåëåíöû íàøëè çåìëþ íåïðèãîäíîé äëÿ ïðîæèâàíèÿ, è îíè ðåøèëè ïîñåëèòüñÿ â äåðåâíå Chauario Maidanchik (Betti: íå çíàþ, ÷òî ýòî çà Ìàéäàí÷èê). Çàòåì, îíè îáîñíîâàëèñü â Íîâî-Ïåòðîâêå.  1904, ïðîòåñòàíòû ýòîé îáëàñòè íà÷àëè ïåðåñåëÿòüñÿ â Àìåðèêó.
ß òàêæå èìåþ êîïèþ äåêëàðàöèè ñóäíà (ïîëó÷åííûé îò îò÷åòîâ Ellis Island) ãäå çàäîêóìåíòèðîâàí ôàêò ïðèáûòèÿ ìîåãî ïðàïðàïðàðîäèòåëåé è ïðàïðàðîäèòåëåé â Íüþ-Éîðê íà âîåííîì êîðàáëå ÑØÀ "Àáðàõàì Ëèíêîëüí" â 1912.
ß íå òåøóñü áîëüøèìè íàäåæäàìè, íî áëàãîäàðþ çà ãîòîâíîñòü ïîìî÷ü!
Íàèëó÷øèå ïîæåëàíèÿ, Áèëë
Betti: *1 - ÊÀÐÑ (Kars), ãîðîä íà Ñåâåðî-Âîñòîêå Òóðöèè íà Àðìÿíñêîì Íàãîðüå. Îñíîâàí â IV â.  963—1064 ãã. ñòîëèöà àðìÿíñêîãî Êàðññêîãî öàðñòâà, â 1065—74 ãã. â ñîñòàâå Âèçàíòèéñêîé èìïåðèè. Òóðêè-ñåëüäæóêè îâëàäåëè Ê. â 1074 ã., ðàçðóøåí âîéñêàìè Òèìóðà â 1387 ã.  ñîñòàâå Îñìàíñêîé èìïåðèè ñ 1517 ã.  XVIII â. Ê. â ñôåðå èíòåðåñîâ Ïåðñèè, â XIX â. — Ðîññèè. Ðóññêèå âîéñêà áðàëè ãîðîä â 1828 è 1855 ãã.; â ðåçóëüòàòå Ðóññêî-òóðåöêîé âîéíû 1877—78 ãã. Ê. áûë ïðèñîåäèí¸í ê Ðîññèè. Îòîø¸ë ê Òóðöèè ïîñëå Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû. --- Óêðàèíà, Êðûì: Ðóäíèöêèé, Ìîíàñòûðñêèé, Êàñüÿí, Èëüíèöêèé, ßñòðåìñêèé, Äåì÷åíêî, Øàóëüñêèé, Çèáíèöêèé, Îñòðîâñêèé, Æóêîâñêèé, Êîâàë, Êîâàëåíêî, Ñîðîêà, Ñûëêà, Ãëåáîâ | | |
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19 èþëÿ 2008 13:48 TatianaLGNN íàïèñàë: [q] Betti À íàñ÷åò Ãîëîâèíî, íàäî ïîïðîñèòü êîãî-òî â ÖÈÀÌå ïîñìîòðåòü îïèñè íà ðåâèçêè íà ýòî ñåëî. ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó îíî áûëî ìàëåíüêèì. Èíòåðñíî, à ÷òî çà ïðîòåñòàíòû ìîãëè áûòü â Ðîññèè â 60-ûå ãîäû.Âîò óæïîèñòèíå íå çíàåìì èñòîðèþ [/q]
ß òîæå, ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî-òî (î ïðîòåñòàíòàõ)... Íî ïëàíèðóþ ïîáîðîçäèòü èíòåðíåò â ïîèñêàõ èíôîðìàöèè. Ìîæåò æèòåëè ýòîãî ñåëà ïðîòåñòîâàëè ïðîòèâ ÷åãî òî è èõ âûñåëèëè, à ê íàì ÷åðåç 10-å ðóêè äîøëî ñëîâî "ïðîòåñòàíò".. --- Óêðàèíà, Êðûì: Ðóäíèöêèé, Ìîíàñòûðñêèé, Êàñüÿí, Èëüíèöêèé, ßñòðåìñêèé, Äåì÷åíêî, Øàóëüñêèé, Çèáíèöêèé, Îñòðîâñêèé, Æóêîâñêèé, Êîâàë, Êîâàëåíêî, Ñîðîêà, Ñûëêà, Ãëåáîâ | | |
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19 èþëÿ 2008 14:19 Betti Äà íåò ÿ äóìàþ,÷òî îíè ñêîðåå âñåãî áûëè äóõîáîðàìè. Íà ýòî áîëüøå ïîõîæå --- Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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