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Good day, everyone. I hope this message finds you well. Today, I've had the privilege of receiving documents from the RGVIA concerning Grigory Mikhailovich Nechaev. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I would greatly appreciate any assistance in translating these documents, as there are quite a number of them.
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These three files are hardly about Grigory Nechaev. How did you get them?

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë (Ô.3028,Îï.1,Ä.174.pdf, 1159453 áàéò) - concerns a number of officers commissioned to higher ranks. Mostly on some Sergey Rodionov. Yreas 1917-1918

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë (ô14îï1ä1698.pdf, 1060203 áàéò) - a ''revision tale'' (census) of 1760 of Cossacks from Ostrogozhsky slododskoy corps

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë (ô400îï9ä23387.pdf, 2955380 áàéò) - on lieutenant colonel Chukmasov, 1885

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OlgaKob

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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ siadeblanc îò 17 ìàÿ 2024 9:43

Great ! Thank you so much ! That clears up this whole foggy affair around Maria Danilova. So Grigory married Aleksandra when and where? divorced on April 8, 1877 and married on June 1, 1877 Maria Danilova Sinyavskaya when and where? If it's in Lithuania I could get both weddings!
It seems to be Vilnius right ?
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It doesn't specify when he married Alexandra Voynich.
On the back of the leaf 40 (page 23) it says that in 1873 he was commissioned to Chaussy local team (×àóññêàÿ ìåñòíàÿ êîìàíäà).
But in 1874 he was sent to Vilno city battalion. Before that, in 1864, he served at the 106th Ufa infantry corps. According to this website the corps was located in Vilno, but since 1897. I don't know where it was located between those dates.

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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ OlgaKob îò 17 ìàÿ 2024 20:13

these are the famous military documents that I requested from Teatro if you remember.

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Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë (Ô.3028,Îï.1,Ä.174.pdf, 1159453 áàéò) - concerns a number of officers commissioned to higher ranks. Mostly on some Sergey Rodionov. Yreas 1917-1918
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Alright, nothing about Grigory ? So I don't need to try to translate these documents ? I wonder why he sent them to me

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Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë (ô14îï1ä1698.pdf, 1060203 áàéò) - a ''revision tale'' (census) of 1760 of Cossacks from Ostrogozhsky slododskoy corps
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1760 ? Why I got this files ? Is there a connection with the Nechaev family ?

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Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë (ô400îï9ä23387.pdf, 2955380 áàéò) - on lieutenant colonel Chukmasov, 1885
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Who was this colonel? Grigory's superior?

Finally, Only the document ô400îï12ä8534 concerns Grigory
FuranNietchaieff

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It doesn't specify when he married Alexandra Voynich.
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Unfortunately! It would have been super interesting to know more about this wedding.

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On the back of the leaf 40 (page 23) it says that in 1873 he was commissioned to Chaussy local team (×àóññêàÿ ìåñòíàÿ êîìàíäà).
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Oh maybe he met Maria Sinyavskaya in this year

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Before that, in 1864, he served at the 106th Ufa infantry corps. According to this website the corps was located in Vilno, but since 1897. I don't know where it was located between those dates.
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1864 correspond to the year when he was for the suppression of the Polish rebellion so probably Warsaw
FuranNietchaieff

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oh and there is nothing concerning his death?
And nothing concerning potential children from his first marriage either?
I believe that on the back of page 8, there is a declaration made in 1880 where he specifies that he is childless. But being already remarried, does he include potential children from his first marriage?
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oh and there is nothing concerning his death?
And nothing concerning potential children from his first marriage either?
I believe that on the back of page 8, there is a declaration made in 1880 where he specifies that he is childless. But being already remarried, does he include potential children from his first marriage?
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According to the file at the time of drawing up the document, he did not have children.

ô400 îï12 ä8534 is all about of Nechaev's resignation. Therefore, there is no information about his death. There is information that after resignation he planned to live in Moscow.
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ FuranNietchaieff îò 17 ìàÿ 2024 22:31

Those questions you need to ask the person who sent it to you. I am like OlgaKob don't see correlations of these three documents with Nechaev.
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According to the file at the time of drawing up the document, he did not have children.

ô400 îï12 ä8534 is all about of Nechaev's resignation. Therefore, there is no information about his death. There is information that after resignation he planned to live in Moscow.
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Unfortunate, I was really hoping to have a little more information on his place of death.
According to his wife Maria, he died in 1918. In 1895, he was in Kaunas, Lithuania (birth town of his child). But between 1880-1895 and 1895-1918 I have nothing about his family. His son Mikhail and Maria moved to Radzymin during 1920 but I think he was already no longer in this world. However his son was a soldier during the first world war under the commandment of colonel Nikolaï Lokhvitsky, he left Moscow in 1916. Moscow might be a good guess.
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Those questions you need to ask the person who sent it to you. I am like OlgaKob don't see correlations of these three documents with Nechaev.
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Okay, I'll get back in touch with the person and see what he can tell me on this subject. I'll keep you informed
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Unfortunate, I was really hoping to have a little more information on his place of death.
According to his wife Maria, he died in 1918. In 1895, he was in Kaunas, Lithuania (birth town of his child). But between 1880-1895 and 1895-1918 I have nothing about his family. His son Mikhail and Maria moved to Radzymin during 1920 but I think he was already no longer in this world. However his son was a soldier during the first world war under the commandment of colonel Nikolaï Lokhvitsky, he left Moscow in 1916. Moscow might be a good guess.
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No, Lochwicki entered the WWI in April 1915 when he became a brigade commander at the 25th infantry division, which in August-September of 1915 took part in the Vilno operation.
But as soon as May 1915, he entered the 24th infantry division as a brigade commander.

The division in 1915 took part in the operations in Poland and Western Belarus.

Since May 1916 he took part in the operations in France (if you remember, Mikhail Grigoryevich Nechaev mentioned France).
Since 1917 he was the commander of the 1st Special infantry division of the Russian troops in France.
It also says that Lochwicki was the commander of the Russian base at Laval until July 1918.

Only in 1919 Lochwicki returned to Russia (during the Civil war), he traveled via the North to Siberia to join Kolchak.
So, possibly Mikhail Grigorievich could return to Poland (which was formerly part of the Russian Empire, actually) in July-August 1918.

So, his father could die in either Vilno, or Kaunas, or Radzimin in Poland.
I don't think they ever lived in Moscow since he had settled in Lithuania.

Here are the sources on Lochwicki:
ria1914.info

An article on the 24th infantry division

The wiki page on the division
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