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FuranNietchaieff

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Íàâåðõ   ## 25 ìàðòà 2024 17:36
I would also like, if possible, to obtain the complete translation of what is boxed in red for this marriage certificate which concerns Chaim Gulnik and Beila Kostelansky

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: Mariage entre Beila Kostelyanksy et Chaim Gulnik.jpg
OlgaKob

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Íàâåðõ   ## 27 ìàðòà 2024 17:56

FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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I'm trying to figure the translation of this revision list from Brest. Can someone correct and complete the translation please ?
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Hi. The translation is correct.
The Kotelyanski surname refers to all of the grandchildren. It's in plural.

The occupation of Tsyna: it says literally "sewing at [her/their] grandfather's''. This can mean she could be a seamstress, but did it at her grandfather's house.
The word "øèòüå" literally translates as ''sewing'', so it doesn't specify what kind. But likely it's clothing.
"íå èìåþò", "íå ñîñòîÿëè" .
OlgaKob

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Íàâåðõ   ## 27 ìàðòà 2024 18:47 27 ìàðòà 2024 18:48

FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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I would also like, if possible, to obtain the complete translation of what is boxed in red for this marriage certificate which concerns Chaim Gulnik and Beila Kostelansky
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I can't read some parts though.
¹ 25
Ëåòà: ìóæñêàãî: 25, æåíñêàãî: 25
Êòî ñîâåðøàë îáðÿä:
(? ? ? Ðàââèíà?)
×èñëî/ìåñÿö
Äåêàáðÿ 9
Íà ñóììó 75 ðóáëåé. Ñâèäåòåëè: Õàèì (?) è Ïåéñàõ Ãåéëèãáåðã
Áðåñòñêèé ìåùàíèí Õàèì-Éîñåëü ßíêåëîâè÷ Ãóëüíèê, õîëîñòîé, ñ äåâèöåþ Áåéëåþ-Åõèåëü Áîðóõîâíîþ Êîòóëÿíñêèõ èç ã. Îñòðîâåö Âîëûíñêîé ãóáåðíèè

Translation:
# 25
Age: male: 25, female: 25
Who coducted the ceremony:
(??? Rabbi?)
Date/month
December 9th

Primary acts and deeds between the bride and the groom and the witnesses of such
Amounted to the sum of 75 rubles.
The witnesses: Haim (?) and Peisah Geyligberg

The bride and the groom:
Brest burgher Haim-Josel Jankelovich Gulnik, bachelor*, and the maiden Beylya-Ehiel Boruhovna Kotulyanski from the town of Ostrowiec, Volynya governorate**.

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* "õîëîñò" here means that the groom had never been marriaged before, first marrying
** here it says ''Volynskaya guberniya'', but it's in Ukraine. It can be a mistake. Probably it should be the Ostrowiec from the former Radom governorate, which is now Poland. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/...9tokrzyski
FuranNietchaieff

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Íàâåðõ   ## 27 ìàðòà 2024 20:48

OlgaKob íàïèñàë:
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FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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I'm trying to figure the translation of this revision list from Brest. Can someone correct and complete the translation please ?

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Hi. The translation is correct.
The Kotelyanski surname refers to all of the grandchildren. It's in plural.

The occupation of Tsyna: it says literally "sewing at [her/their] grandfather's''. This can mean she could be a seamstress, but did it at her grandfather's house.
The word "øèòüå" literally translates as ''sewing'', so it doesn't specify what kind. But likely it's clothing.
"íå èìåþò", "íå ñîñòîÿëè" .
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Thanks for that. I also think clothing was the most common.
And who does mean "íå èìåþò" and "íå ñîñòîÿëè" ? Google translation doesn't really help for that because there is no context. And for the word next to cattle dealer ? It is "ìîñüå" for Sir ?
FuranNietchaieff

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Íàâåðõ   ## 27 ìàðòà 2024 20:56
>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ OlgaKob îò 27 ìàðòà 2024 18:47

Thank you for these clarifications too.
FuranNietchaieff

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Íàâåðõ   ## 27 ìàðòà 2024 21:12
I had requested this marriage certificate because I thought that Beila Kastelansky was in fact Tsipa in the census.
I thought for two reasons:
1) There would have been 2 Tsipa in the family which is not common.
2) In the family letters that I translated, there is mention of a certain Bella. In my opinion, she is a Kastelansky so I immediately matched between the two.
But Bella Kastelansky comes from Ostrowiec so it's not good at all. Although the age was almost correct as well as the father's name: Boruch
So back to beginning
mashalebedeva

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Íàâåðõ   ## 27 ìàðòà 2024 21:51 27 ìàðòà 2024 21:59
>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ OlgaKob îò 27 ìàðòà 2024 18:47

I slightely correct - the bride is Áåéëÿ Åõèåëü-Áîðóõîâíà, Beilya Yekhiel-Borukhovna. Her name is Beilya, her father's name is Yekhiel-Borukh
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Íàâåðõ   ## 28 ìàðòà 2024 11:50

FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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And who does mean "íå èìåþò" and "íå ñîñòîÿëè" ? Google translation doesn't really help for that because there is no context. And for the word next to cattle dealer ? It is "ìîñüå" for Sir ?
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Next to ''cattle dealer'' it's "òîæå" (twice), which means "the same".
As for íå èìåþò/íå ñîñòîÿò, it takes the head of the table which seems to be missing here.
So without it I can't tell what these verbs relate to.
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FuranNietchaieff

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Íàâåðõ   ## 28 ìàðòà 2024 13:28
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Next to ''cattle dealer'' it's "òîæå" (twice), which means "the same".
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Ohh I see. I still have trouble recognizing the letter "æ"

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As for íå èìåþò/íå ñîñòîÿò, it takes the head of the table which seems to be missing here.
So without it I can't tell what these verbs relate to.
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Okay, that's what I thought too. Unfortunately, I don't think I can find what's missing.
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Íàâåðõ   ## 28 ìàðòà 2024 13:47

FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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Okay, that's what I thought too. Unfortunately, I don't think I can find what's missing.
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You need the initial page of the census.
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