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Looking For A Marriage Record

Looking for a marriage record in Russian Empire

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FuranNietchaieff написал:
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They were assumed to be brothers because Efim had been indicated as a priest for Mikhail Nechaev's children
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No, he was their godfather, not the priest performing the baptism. And it's not Efim's church. So, 90% their must be brothers, since the same last name.
In case of the shortage of direct indications, all these godparents and witnesses on weddings are of great help. They do work, because very often these people were either blood relatives or in-laws. The godparents must be the closest circle.
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Yep exactly, This is the reason that we started with this relationship between them. It's interesting to see theses two brothers take two different way. One in religion and the other in typography. Anyway, as I said last time, Efim and Mikhail probably have other brothers and sisters seeing they age gap but given that I haven't found any other X Vasilievitch Nechaev which can corresponds with this family, ce can imagine that they didn't come to Moscou and stay aroung Murikovo or Velmezh maybe
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Alexander Nechaev had a son named Viktor
Here's the death record of Viktor's wife, Nadezhda Maximovna (b. circa 1844). Burried in the village of Tsaritsyno, Moscow uyezd.

ЦГА Москвы ф 203 оп 780 д 1357 (file 297)
Метрическая книга Московского уезда села Царицина церкви Божьей Матери, именуемой Живоносный источник за 1886 г
June 14th, 1886
# 19
лл 290об-291
"Умершего протоиерея московской Софийской на Набережной церкви Александра Ефимовича Нечаева, сына Виктора Александровича Нечаева, жена Надежда Максимова, 42, от чахотки"

Here's another copy of the metrical book
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Alexander's daughter Maria's marriage record

The St Sophia church metrical book of 1854
August 30th, 1854
Groom: the assistant to the inspector of Moscow clerical academy Vasily Alexeev Pogozhev, 26, Orthodox Christian, 1st-married
Bride: Daughter of the parish Sophia Church protoiereus Alexander Efimiev Nechaev, maiden Maria Alexandrova Nechaeva, 16
Witnesses:
from the groom: deacon Vasily Petrov Pogozhev, of the Epiphany Church at Yamskaya Dorogomilovsnaya sloboda and Priest Dmitry Alexeev Pogozhev of the Peter and Paul church of the Petrovskoye village, Moscow uyezd
from the bride: the priest of theTheodorre the studite church Eufim Vasilyev Nechaev and Priest Alexander Konstantinov Smirnov of the John the Precursor church at the Krechetniki.
The ceremony was carried out by her grandfather Efim Vasilyevich Nechaev, because her father was the priest of the church he wedded at, and the deacon and the clergy of the St Sophia church.

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Here's the marriage inspection (брачный обыск) on the daughter of Efim Vasilyevich Nechaev, Anna. 1838.

The wedding was to take place in the St Paraspeva church in the Oxotny Ryad, Nikitsky sorok, Moscow
The groom: the son of the deacon of the church of the village of Gribanovo, Volokolamsky uyezd, Ivan Ivanovich Krotkov, Matvey Ivanovich Krotkov, who wa sthen a student at the Moscow seminary. Age - 22
The groom was to enter the St Paraskeva church as a deacon. He resided in the house of Mr Karneev, at the parish of the Ascention of Christ near the Nikitsky gates.

The bride: the daughter of the priest of the St Theodorre the Studite church, Efim Vasilievich Nechaev, Anna Efimovna, resided in her father's house at the parish of his church near the Nikitsky gates. Age - 17
Underneath are the signatures, and Anna signed herself! (which was very rare for women).
Also, among the signed there's the brother of the groom, Alexey Ivanovich Krotkov, the inspector of the " Don schools" (Инспектор Донских училищ)
The witnesses for the bride were her father and brother Alexander.

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Alexander Nechaev's another service list

The list from 1854

Includes a fuller career list

It also says that his father owned two one-storey wooden houses in Moscow, on the church-owned land.
He himself owned a two-storey wooden house in Moscow, on the church-owned land.
Marital status: widowed
Children:
Sergey, 19,
Dmitry, 18, a student of the Moscow seminary
Fedor, 11, a student of the Donskoye clerical regional school (Donskoye uyezdnoye dukhovnoye uchilische)
Viktor, 10, a student of the Donskoye parish school
Nikolay, 8
Mikhail, 6
Arkady, 4 months
daughter Alexandra, 15.

Sergey Nechaev's service list
In 1859 he served as a teacher of the 2nd grade at the Donskoye parish school
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Hello everybody. I would like to obtain a complete translation of the marriage certificate written in Polish into English. I hesitate to post it on the Polish forum. I'll see if anyone can do it here.
The marriage took place between Pesla Frydlender, daughter of Srul and Ryfka, and Meyer Samelson in Wlodawa in 1846.

Прикрепленный файл: Mariage entre Pesla Frydlender et Meyer Samelson.jpg
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I would like to obtain a complete translation of the marriage certificate written in Polish into English
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Repost it here: https://forum.vgd.ru/4436/2959/11570.htm
But it will be translated into Russian through.
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OlgaKob написал:
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FuranNietchaieff написал:
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I would like to obtain a complete translation of the marriage certificate written in Polish into English
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Repost it here: https://forum.vgd.ru/4436/2959/11570.htm
But it will be translated into Russian through.
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Ok thank you. I will request a Russian to English translation afterwards so
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Hello hello,
I have received the translation of the Polish marriage certificate into Russian. Could someone translate the text into English please?

"Состоялось в городе Влодаве дня пятнадцатого/двадцать седьмого января 1846 года в четвёртом часу пополудни.
Явился Иосиф-Арон Шифер, «под-раввин» парафии влодавской, вместе с Мейером Самельсон, кавалером, 18 законченных лет имеющим, во Влодаве проживающим, рожденного в этом же городе от Арона и Рифки, супругов Самельсон, уже не живущих,
и с Песлой Срулевной Фридлендер, девицей, 20 полных лет имеющей, дочерью Сруля Пейсаховича и Рифки, супругов Фридлендеров, во Влодаве проживающих, торговлей живущих, из которых мать уже не живет, доныне при отце состоящей.
и в присутствии Н(ухмана?) Самельсон, брата Мейера Самельсон, и Сруля Фридлендер, отца Песлы Фридлендер, особ новобрачных, также в присутствии свидетелей Иоселя Гитер 67 лет, и Шмуля Шрайер 59 лет, оба «школьники», также здесь проживающие,
сообщили, что пред ним сегодня между Мейером Самельсон, кавалером, и Песлой Фридлендер, девицей, заключен церковный брак, что таковому предшествовали три объявления, 3, 10 и 17 января текущего года, сделанные в здешней еврейской школе,
что брак заключен с устного разрешения присутствовавших здесь Н(ухмана?) Самельсон, брата Мейера Самельсон, и Сруля Фридлендер, отца Песлы Фридлендер, особ новобрачных,
и что остановки брака не случилось, и что новобрачные в родстве не состоят, новобрачные также сообщили, что предсвадебного договора не заключали.
Акт этот явившимся и свидетелям прочитан, и ими же подписан"

I'm trying something with chat GPT and here is his translation. How good is he ?
"On the fifteenth/twenty-seventh day of January 1846, at four o'clock in the afternoon, in Wlodawa.

Appeared Joseph-Aron Shifer, “sub-rabbi” of the parish of Wlodawa, accompanied by Meyer Samelson, single, aged eighteen, domiciled in Wlodawa, born in this same town of Aaron and Rifka, husband Samelson, now deceased ,
and Pesla Srulovna Fridlender, single, twenty years old, daughter of Srul and Rifka, husband and wife Fridlender, resident in Wlodawa, living from commerce, whose mother is also deceased, until now living with her father.
In the presence of N(ukhman?) (Nachman?) Samelson, brother of Meyer Samelson, and of Srul Fridlender, father of Pesla Fridlender, witnesses to the act of the newlyweds, as well as in the presence of witnesses Yosel Giter, aged 67, and Shmuel Shrayer, aged 59, both “schoolboys”, also domiciled here,
declared that before them, today, was concluded a religious marriage between Meyer Samelson, bachelor, and Pesla Fridlender, bachelor, preceded by three publications, on January 3, 10 and 17 of this year, made at the Jewish school local,
that the marriage was concluded with the verbal consent of N(ukhman?) Samelson, brother of Meyer Samelson, and of Srul Fridlender, father of Pesla Fridlender, witnesses of the newlyweds,
and that there was no impediment to the marriage, and that the newlyweds are not parents, the newlyweds also declared that they did not enter into a prior marriage contract.
This act was read to the appearing parties and to the witnesses present, and signed by them themselves."
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