von Wiesen family in St Petersburgh

Hello all,

Anyone have good ideas where I could find or search possile son - father relationship for these people below . Seems the St Catharina German Lutheran Church St Petersbugh, Russia records in familysearch com are missing just that particular year 1848 (send also email to the record holder, but email addressses seems not to work https://rgia.su/old/showObject...amp;link=1 ) . Is there any other possible sources, or searchable databases for example newspapers, official city papers or similar which I could try to find these people from St Petersburgh. I would need help from some local or some person who is more used to Russian genealogy, people who knows where to find this kind of information.

Ïðèâåò âñåì,

Ó ëþáîãî åñòü õîðîøèå èäåè, ãäå ÿ ìîã áû íàéòè èëè íàéòè âîçìîæíûå îòíîøåíèÿ ìåæäó ñûíîì è îòöîì äëÿ ýòèõ ëþäåé íèæå. Êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî íåìåöêàÿ ëþòåðàíñêàÿ öåðêîâü Ñâ. Êàòàðèíû â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ðîññèÿ, â çàïèñÿõ familysearch com îòñóòñòâóåò òîëüêî â ýòîì êîíêðåòíîì 1848 ãîäó (îòïðàâüòå òàêæå ýëåêòðîííîå ïèñüìî âëàäåëüöó çàïèñè, íî àäðåñà ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òû, ïîõîæå, íå ðàáîòàþò https://rgia.su/old/showObject. do? object = 27808979 & viewMode = H_10700 & link = 1). Ñóùåñòâóþò ëè äðóãèå âîçìîæíûå èñòî÷íèêè èëè äîñòóïíûå äëÿ ïîèñêà áàçû äàííûõ, íàïðèìåð, ãàçåòû, îôèöèàëüíûå ãîðîäñêèå ãàçåòû èëè àíàëîãè÷íûå, êîòîðûå ÿ ìîã áû íàéòè, ÷òîáû íàéòè ýòèõ ëþäåé èç Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãà. Ìíå íóæíà ïîìîùü êàêîãî-íèáóäü ìåñòíîãî èëè êàêîãî-íèáóäü ÷åëîâåêà, êîòîðûé áîëåå ïðèâûê ê ðóññêîé ãåíåàëîãèè, ëþäåé, êîòîðûå çíàþò, ãäå íàéòè òàêóþ èíôîðìàöèþ.



This Latvian one is great place to find http://www.periodika.lv/#advancedSearch , but there seems not be any info for that.


Possible father
Âîçìîæíûé îòåö

Carl Friedrich Ferdinand von Wiesen (Âèçåíú-ôîíú, Êàðëú-Ôåðäèíàíäú) born 15.12.1810 Riga, Latvia, dead 21.9 1855 St Petersburgh, Russia
buried Smolenskoe Lutheran Cemetery, St Petersburgh, Russia

https://amburger.ios-regensbur...mp;mode=1a
https://www.geni.com/people/Ca...0219727042

And possible son
È âîçìîæíûé ñûí

Nicolai Georg von Wiesen (Íèêîëàè Ãåîðã Ôîíâèçèí) born most probably 1848 (St Petersbugh, Russia), dead 5.5.1882 St Petersburgh, Russia

https://amburger.ios-regensburg.de/index.php?id=50301
https://www.geni.com/people/Ni...1009236955

any hint to find this is very welcome. Im just missing this one to merge many generations in my research of my maternal side relatives. This research is quite hard because I dont read Russian language at all.

Ëþáàÿ ïîäñêàçêà, ÷òîáû íàéòè ýòî î÷åíü ïðèâåòñòâóåòñÿ. ß ïðîñòî ñêó÷àþ ïî ýòîìó, ÷òîáû îáúåäèíèòü ìíîãèå ïîêîëåíèÿ â ìîèõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ ìîèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ ïî ìàòåðèíñêîé ëèíèè. Ýòî èññëåäîâàíèå äîâîëüíî ñëîæíîå, ïîòîìó ÷òî ÿ âîîáùå íå ÷èòàþ ðóññêèé ÿçûê.





rgds Antti

That is not you have exactly asked for, but these may be helpful cases.
First two regarding K..-F. von Wiesen (links you have probably missed), another two I beleive about his grandsons entering gymnasium.
Not available online, only by visiting Archives or ordering the copies there.

ÐÃÈÀ 789 - 1(2) - 2921
Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1845ã. Äåëî îá îïðåäåëåíèè â Àêàäåìèþ ôåëüäøåðà Ê.-Ô. ôîí Âèçåíà
9 ÿíâàðÿ 1845 ã., 21ëèñò
http://rgia.su/object/2036764353

ÐÃÈÀ 789 - 2 - 128
Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1850 ã. Ïî ïðåäñòàâëåíèè øòàá-ëåêàðÿ Îâåðëàõà îá èìåíîâàíèè ñîñòîÿùåãî ïðè íåì ôåëüäøåðà ôîí Âèçåí Ëåêàðñêèì
10 îêòÿáðÿ 1850 ã.
http://rgia.su/object/1175042966

ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá 72 - 1 - 1617
Äåëî î ïðèåìå â ãèìíàçèþ ôîí Âèçåíà Íèêîëàÿ (1894)
https://spbarchives.ru/infres/-/archive/cgia/72/1/1617

ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá 72 - 1 - 1482
Äåëî î ïðèåìå â ãèìíàçèþ ôîí Âèçåíà Âëàäèìèðà (1891-1897)
https://spbarchives.ru/infres/-/archive/cgia/72/1/1482

I beleive somebody can help you also to check Lutheran metric books of St.-Petersburg churches available online from CGIA.

Hi thanks for these links. I found dead information for Georg Nicolai is born also in St Petersburgh, but there is no information about parents. So if possible I would even more help to try find this.

Ïðèâåò ñïàñèáî çà ýòè ññûëêè. ß íàøåë ìåðòâóþ èíôîðìàöèþ, ïîòîìó ÷òî Ãåîðã Íèêîëàé ðîäèëñÿ è â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, íî î ðîäèòåëÿõ íåò èíôîðìàöèè. Òàê ÷òî, åñëè âîçìîæíî, ÿ áû åùå áîëüøå ïîìîã íàéòè ýòî.

https://www.familysearch.org/a...cc=1469151

The vital church book of births St Catharina German Lutheran Church St Petersbugh 1848 is missing, maybe destroyed, so this information should maybe found somehwere else. Maybe some cemetary details or some other archives.

Æèçíåííî âàæíàÿ öåðêîâíàÿ êíèãà ðîæäåíèé Ñâ. Êàòàðèíû, íåìåöêîé ëþòåðàíñêîé öåðêâè Ñâ. Ïåòåðñáóðãà, 1848 ã., îòñóòñòâóåò, ìîæåò áûòü, óíè÷òîæåíà, ïîýòîìó ýòó èíôîðìàöèþ, âîçìîæíî, ñëåäóåò íàéòè ãäå-òî åùå. Ìîæåò áûòü, íåêîòîðûå äåòàëè êëàäáèùà èëè äðóãèå àðõèâû.


Yes these are sons of Georg Nicolai von Wiesen; my relatives ..

Vladimir is this.

Äà, ýòî ñûíîâüÿ; ìîè ðîäñòâåííèêè ..

Âëàäèìèð ýòî.

https://ria1914.info/index.php...0%B8%D1%87

TsGIA SPb 72 - 1 - 1617
The case of admission to the gymnasium of von Wiesen Nikolai (1894)
https://spbarchives.ru/infres/-/archive/cgia/72/1/1617

TsGIA SPb 72 - 1 - 1482
The case of admission to the school of von Wiesen Vladimir (1891-1897)
https://spbarchives.ru/infres/-/archive/cgia/72/1/1482

Hi again

I found this page http://www.zarubezhje.narod.ru/av/V_480.htm

Vizin Vladimir von
(1910 (1911?) -?)
Born in 1910 (according to other sources, in 1911). He lived in Finland. He graduated from the St. Sergius Orthodox Theological Institute in Paris . However, having married a Swedish Finnish, he lost the right to dignity.

Compiled by sources:
“And I had to live apart for a year ...”: Russian abroad in Finland between the two wars: Materials for biobibliography. - SPb .: ICC "Russian Emigration", 2003. - 288 p.


just wondering could this be same person as my grandfathers brother? or is this different Vladimir? can anyone found those original sources?


Vladimir von Wiesen
Russian: Âëàäèìèð ôîíÂèçåí
Gender: Male
Birth: April 25, 1909
Vyborg, Finland
Death: March 20, 1995 (85)

https://www.geni.com/people/Wo...9434340070

and second question is about military person, if someone here could maybe post this to right military section of this forum?


è âòîðîé âîïðîñ î âîåííîì ÷åëîâåêå, åñëè êòî-òî çäåñü ìîã áû îïóáëèêîâàòü ýòî â ïðàâèëüíîì âîåííîì ðàçäåëå ýòîãî ôîðóìà?



the above mentioned Antonina von Wiesen (born as Georgijeskij) born 06. June 1886 Svjatozero Olonetskaja Karelija was married with Âèçåí Âëàäèìèð Íèêîëàåâè÷, von Wiesen Vladimir Nikolaevich but I got information he was married first time with with man called Rehoff also a lower rank officer, from same Vyborg fortress infantry battalion but she got widowed (Âûáîðãñêèé êðåïîñòíîé ïåõîòíûé áàòàëüîí).. Now Im also trying to find this man, maybe killed in fightings?


âûøåóïîìÿíóòàÿ Àíòîíèíà ôîí Âèçåí (ðîä. Ãåîðãèåâñêèé), ðîäèâøàÿñÿ 06. èþíÿ 1886 ãîäà Ñâÿòîçåðî Îëîíåöêàÿ Êàðåëèÿ áûëà çàìóæåì çà Âèçåí Âëàäèìèð Íèêîëàåâè÷, íî ÿ ïîëó÷èë èíôîðìàöèþ, ÷òî îí âïåðâûå æåíèëñÿ íà ìíå ïî èìåíè Ðåõîôô, òîæå îôèöåð áîëåå íèçêîãî ðàíãà, èç òîãî æå ïåõîòíîãî áàòàëüîíà Âûáîðãñêîé êðåïîñòè. Òåïåðü ÿ òîæå ïûòàþñü íàéòè ýòîãî ÷åëîâåêà, ìîæåò áûòü, óáèò â áîÿõ?


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