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| toryc Новичок Oregon Сообщений: 16 На сайте с 2019 г. Рейтинг: 0 | >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 19 мая 2020 7:47 VC написал: There is one Alexander who finished Nikolay Engineering School (Николаевское инженерное училище) in St. Petersburg on September 15th 1916. Probably later served in a sapper or some other engineer unit. Unfortunately only the name is listed without any additional info so it could be just a coincidence. Actually, there was an Alexander Jurkin listed at the same address as Mikael Jurkin and his family in 1915 and 1916 in Helsinki. That's the only listing I've seen for him so far in relation to the family. But I did search on Ancestry and found an Alexander Jurkin's travel records. New York arrival: He arrived in New York via Berlin in February 1930 from Russia. This records lists his age as 36, career as engineer, birthplace as Kalanga, Russia, last permanent address as Moscow. US to Canada: arrived in Canada in April 1930, occupation listed as mechanical engineer, his birthplace as Perenwschl, Russia. This record also lists his closest family member as his wife, Olga Jurkin of Moscow. I haven't had time to dig into that more. In 1913, there was also a Stepan Jurkin, listed as an instrument maker, born in 1885 listed at the same address the Jurkins lived at in 1912 as well as other addresses in other years. Edit: I was given the address register for Alexander Jurkin, he is also listed as having come from Vjatka and returned to Russia in 1915 so that seems to be a match. |
| VC Сообщений: 8465 На сайте с 2008 г. Рейтинг: 4383 | toryc написал: Actually, there was an Alexander Jurkin listed at the same address as Mikael Jurkin and his family in 1915 and 1916 in Helsinki.Yes, I remember. That's why I paid attention to this first name. toryc написал: But I did search on Ancestry and found an Alexander Jurkin's travel records.Ok, I see this record on the Ellis Island website. Interesting ship manifest. Looks like the passage for half of all passengers was paid by the "Russian Government" and all of them belong to the Amtorg Trading Corporation which was the company that represented Soviet Union in the US. So it seems they were on 6 months official business trip and got non-immigrant visas. Kalanga is certainly a typo. No idea what it could be. Might be Kaluga. toryc написал: US to Canada: arrived in Canada in April 1930, occupation listed as mechanical engineer, his birthplace as Perenwschl, Russia. This record also lists his closest family member as his wife, Olga Jurkin of Moscow.Perenwschl is probably Peremyshl. There was a village with such name in the Kaluga governorate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peremyshl toryc написал: I was given the address register for Alexander Jurkin, he is also listed as having come from Vjatka and returned to Russia in 1915 so that seems to be a match.Yes, seems to be a brother. The question is only whether he is also the officer and the engineer who arrived to US. It's tempting to connect them - returned to Russia, finished military engineering school and worked as an civilian engineer later. But both last and the first names are not rare and it's hard to say for sure. |
| toryc Новичок Oregon Сообщений: 16 На сайте с 2019 г. Рейтинг: 0 | >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 19 мая 2020 7:47 I don't recall if I've included this information in the past, but my grandmother had thought Mikael was a Cossack, so I searched years ago for information related to that. In the process, I found this photo http://www.conflicts.rem33.com...age001.jpg (full page here: http://www.conflicts.rem33.com...weiss.htm) that realized that one of the men seated on the right side looks a lot like the man standing in that photo of the two men. It may be coincidence, but I thought I would include it in case it helps. It doesn't explain why he would be in a suit while almost everyone else is in uniform but it's something? |
| VC Сообщений: 8465 На сайте с 2008 г. Рейтинг: 4383 | toryc написал: one of the men seated on the right side looks a lot like the man standing in that photo of the two men. It may be coincidence, but I thought I would include it in case it helps. It doesn't explain why he would be in a suit while almost everyone else is in uniform but it's something?No, it's not him. There is a signed version of this photo. The guy in the suit is supposed to be uryadnik (cossack's rank equal to sergeant) N. Mikhaylov from Semirechensk Cossack host. toryc написал: my grandmother had thought Mikael was a CossackAlways take the "Cossack" stories with a grain of salt. We have this question asked all the time in the military photo identification section of the forum. Sometimes these stories are true. But in most cases it's either a family legend or something in the photo that a lot of people mistakenly attribute to Cossacks. Like furry hats that in reality were standard issue winter headgear for all army units. Also in 1920-1930 various so called "Cossack" choirs and dance groups were popular in Europe. It basically became a "brand name" and often members of such choirs were not Cossacks themselves. Just various exiles who were trying to make a living. So sometimes the word Cossack was used as a synonym for "Russian" by people of a particular generation. So far nothing indicates that people we are discussing were Cossacks. |
| toryc Новичок Oregon Сообщений: 16 На сайте с 2019 г. Рейтинг: 0 | >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 21 мая 2020 20:11 Thank you. Based on my own research, I didn't think there was any weight to the Cossack references either. I just wanted to be able to confirm that the story was debunked so thanks for that! My aunt just couldn't believe that my grandmother was so wrong, especially since she was so close with her own aunts who would have been Mikael's daughters and with her grandmother. I couldn't figure out where the Cossack story came from either, it was just being passed down by word of mouth with nothing to back it up. But my grandmother herself didn't like to discuss the family history, so my aunt just had to scribble down notes as fast as she could when she could get my grandmother speaking. I'm going to go with your suggestion of the word Cossack being used interchangeably with Russian. VC написал: Yes, seems to be a brother. The question is only whether he is also the officer and the engineer who arrived to US. It's tempting to connect them - returned to Russia, finished military engineering school and worked as an civilian engineer later. But both last and the first names are not rare and it's hard to say for sure. I believe the birthdays/ages match so it seems likely, but really, just in the "official" records I've seen throughout my genealogy searches, the birthdays listed seem to be somewhat inconsistent, especially for Mikael's daughters so who's to say for sure. You have been very helpful and I really appreciate the time you've taken to help get this information sorted so thank you! |
| toryc Новичок Oregon Сообщений: 16 На сайте с 2019 г. Рейтинг: 0 | >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 21 мая 2020 20:11 Just found out that Alma remarried! To an EW Sergejeff, listed here https: //digi.kansalliskirjasto ...? Page = 1140 as a fänrik / second lieutenant. By 1924 (there are no records of them 1918-1923) she was back in Helsinki, listed as a widow again. So perhaps the photo is her husband, just not the husband we thought he was ... |
| VC Сообщений: 8465 На сайте с 2008 г. Рейтинг: 4383 | toryc написал: So perhaps the photo is her husband, just not the husband we thought he was ...It's possible. There is one Sergeev (Сергеев) listed among officers of the 428th regiment but unfortunately the doc contains last names only. It's a very common last name so it will be hard to figure out who this guy is. |
| toryc Новичок Oregon Сообщений: 16 На сайте с 2019 г. Рейтинг: 0 | VC написал:
Thanks! I'll see what I can find with that variation. I tried searching for alternate spellings but had zero results. |
| VC Сообщений: 8465 На сайте с 2008 г. Рейтинг: 4383 | toryc написал: I tried searching for alternate spellings but had zero results.Germanized endings like "...off" or "..jeff" were common at the beginning of XX century. So for the time period that we are discussing you should get more hits using it. The more accurate "..ov", "..ev" or "..yev" became popular later. |
| mihalna1 Новичок Сообщений: 14 На сайте с 2017 г. Рейтинг: 10 | Добрый день! Специалисты, подскажите, пожалуйста. Это фото сделано в конце 1880х - начале 1890х гг. Мог ли этот молодой человек к 1910г быть уже отставным штабс-капитаном? Имя и география совпадают, но возникли сомнения - успел ли дослужиться и уже и в отставку выйти за +/- 20 лет? |
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