Фотографии военных

Derevo105 написал:

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Доброго дня!.что можно сказать по этому фото?..полк?.

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Рядовой какого-то гвардейского пехотного или стрелкового полка в лацканном мундире принятом начиная с 1908-го года.

toryc написал:

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Apologies. I never saw your reply. I've been doing more research lately and I just came across new information for him. The stories passed down about him in our family are incorrect. I was just sent a newspaper article from 1916 in Helsinki, where he was living and working as a merchant, about is murder (shot) outside his shop. Other records from Helsinki show that prior to his moving to Helsinki in 1908, he was in Vietka, Belarus. He was only 35 when he was killed. Any thoughts on how these dates might relate to his military service? Some of what he was selling was military uniforms and I am told that would have been unlikely without some connection to the military.

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Based on these documents it does not look like he was in the military. He is also listed as a merchant in the Helsingfors address registry (Adressbok och yrkeskalender för Helsingfors) for 1913 and 1915-1916.

I attached the page from the 1915 issue and here is the link to the 1913 registry:
https://digi.kansalliskirjasto...p;ocr=true

This database also lists him as "civilian":
http://vesta.narc.fi/cgi-bin/d...kuid=40761
http://vesta.narc.fi/cgi-bin/d...kuolleet_0

I have doubts that he is either of these two officers. Is this photo signed? Any other info on the back like the place where it was taken? Did he have relatives in the military? Have you heard any other last names mentioned that could have been connected to the family?

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя toryc от 13 мая 2020 6:03

toryc написал:

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There is only a stamp on the bottom of the photo from the studio (presumably in Helsinki.)

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Yes, seems to be the photo studio "Ortho" in Helsinki. I found other pictures that were taken there.

toryc написал:

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There is actually another photo that would have been taken earlier I think

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Most probably the second picture has also been taken during the WW1. The resolution is too low to see shoulder boards and whether he has any badges that can give additional info. If you or someone else has access to these pictures is it possible to scan shoulder boards and badges with the 1200 dpi resolution? Or at least the whole photo with the 600 dpi? It would be nice to figure out the number on shoulder boards. Both of these guys have the rank of podporuchik (second lieutenant). During the war all officers were released from military schools with the lower rank of praporschik (ensign) after 3-4 months courses. The higher rank indicates that they either studied for 2 years in a military school before that war or already had one promotion during the war. Both these things increase chances that they can be found. It's also the reason why I think neither of them is Michael Jurkin - they both spent significant time in the military.

toryc написал:

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When I try to search from here in the United States, I don't get search results for anything.

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Just use various spellings of his name from the documents you have and add Helsinki or Helsingfors to narrow down your search results.
BTW. It seems he was buried at the Hietaniemi cemetery. This page mentions his and his wife names:
5.Михаил Васильевич Юркин 15.09.1880 – 18.02.1916 и Алма Софиа 1882 - 1961 Канада
https://forum.vgd.ru/348/18052/

toryc написал:

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The only other name I can associate with him is his widow's maiden surname, Raatikainen.

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I tried to guess the Russian spelling of this last name (Ратикайнен ???) and searched the WW1 database (https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/). Found a nurse and couple enlisted men with that or similar last names but no officers.

toryc написал:

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I have trouble finding information on their daughters

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That's a common problem. They are probably listed under husbands last names in later documents.

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 14 мая 2020 0:11

Defintely possible! It's just what was on a form and then what someone else told me.

toryc написал:

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Most of the photos we have from this time were all taken at various studios in Helsinki so that's not surprising.

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Makes sense. I just wanted to double check. In case of civilians the photo studio usually matches the place of residence. But with officers during the war it could have been taken anywhere and then sent home to show relatives that they are alive or got a promotion.


toryc написал:

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In the photo with the 2 men, the man seated definitely looked like his boards read 428 or 426. I'll work on them and crop the area to post (I was going to attach the higher resolution versions but they were too large.)

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Get the highest available resolution and then just cut sections that we need. Don't bother editing or enhancing it.


toryc написал:

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Thank you for this because I've been checking the various grave websites and hadn't found it! When I put his name in Google, I pretty much get no results. Same for the rest of the family. I don't know if that is because I'm mainly getting English results or what. But I also don't have luck using Ancestry.com, Geni.com, Familysearch.org, etc. The Finnish archive sites don't even come up in my Google results.

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I only found his grave mentioned on that page. So it needs to be verified. Unfortunately the person who posted this info hasn't been on the forum since 2015 so I can't ask what was the original source.


toryc написал:

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I think the biggest problem is that most of them left Finland.

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Yes, multiple countries with different languages and different systems of bookkeeping and archiving of documents. In addition even without the marriage the last name's spelling could have changed several times when they were moving from one country to another.